iOS 17 review: StandBy for more features

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So your preferred solution would be for Google to use it's own messaging app? We need less walled garden apps for communication.
Google is using its own messaging app! It is saving the best "RCS" features exclusively for internal, Google Messages user to Google Messages user conversations only.

Guess what? That means it's still a walled garden app, masquerading as an open protocol. "Google RCS" features won't be available for users who elect to use the Samsung texting app, unless Samsung and Google broker a special deal (for example).
 
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Frodo Douchebaggins

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Touch typing is the wrong word, but I'm not aware of keys moving until after a few typos. And then make the same typo repeatedly.

I get that other people use insane 5D gestural interfaces, but I'd like an option to have the same thing every time.

Kind if like a 'Snow leopard was my technical peak' button in Accessibility.

Yup, same way. I'm old enough to be cantankerous, finally, and so help me god I will cantanker.
 
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Standby - Night mode: can it be automatic when the room gets dark? It doesn't seem very sensible to leave the phone always in night mode or always in day mode.
With NameDrop, you can press the top of your phone close to the top of theirs, and it immediately shares contact info with a snazzy visual that makes use of contact posters.
Is that all it takes? That seems easy to abuse if you don't have to tap or unlock anything.
 
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ProtectorLouisW

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I can't get Siri "Siri" to work on my homepod. Still have to ask, Hey Siri. I checked my phone setting but is this only limited to the phone or can the HomePodOS have this?
You enable this in the Home app. Home Settings > Listen for “Hey Siri”. You have the option to leave it as is, or enable Listen for “Siri” or “Hey Siri”.
 
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adespoton

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I was excited for Standby, but since I am still on iPhone 13, I don't get the always on feature, so basically useless to me. :(

Looks good though! Will get there eventually.
Curious as to the downvote; I'm in the same situation. Is there a way to have the iPhone 13 and older stay always-on when in Standby mode (so, plugged in) but not otherwise?
 
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Individual apps still not decoupled from system updates after 15 years. One more reason I don't have an iPhone.
Which matters because…

Seems like a dumb issue on which to make a choice of phone OS.
This is a funny one. A lot of people that are not familiar with iOS updates have misconceptions that

a) system program feature updates has nothing to do with core OS updates. (Apple actually bakes a lot of things into the OS, and have the system apps use that API.)
b) no feature updates but only fixes happen with point version updates. (Apple actually often has meaningful updates the year long.)

If those two were true, it’d be indeed dumb since one’d wait a whole year for any improvements.
 
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adespoton

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If things like E2EE that are bolted on by Google are not standardized and hence no support is expected from Apple, what are then exactly the meaningful benefits over SMS?
I'd ask the question: what exactly are the meaningful benefits of RCS over MMS?

SMS and MMS both work without using data; they'll send content over the voice network sideband. RCS requires the data band, so it's no different than any other messaging protocol. Being a data protocol, RCS expands on the size of the data you can have in a message compared to MMS. It's also fairly basic and extensible.

And nobody supports RCS. Google has their own solution served up by the carriers that they call RCS, but the bits that make it useful are proprietary extensions. If someone doesn't have those extensions, it falls back to regular RCS. The other benefit of RCS is that if it doesn't go through, it falls back to MMS, which is its real benefit over other data-based messaging protocols.

But wait... Apple's iMessage is also E2EE like RCS+Google, and also falls back to MMS! In fact, Apple has implemented everything useful that RCS+Google implements, and there's no real reason for supporting vanilla RCS without the extras. So they don't. If Apple DID support RCS, they'd still have to fall back to MMS to message anyone on Android, because they wouldn't be implementing the Google extensions.
 
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I'd ask the question: what exactly are the meaningful benefits of RCS over MMS?

SMS and MMS both work without using data; they'll send content over the voice network sideband. RCS requires the data band, so it's no different than any other messaging protocol. Being a data protocol, RCS expands on the size of the data you can have in a message compared to MMS. It's also fairly basic and extensible.

And nobody supports RCS. Google has their own solution served up by the carriers that they call RCS, but the bits that make it useful are proprietary extensions. If someone doesn't have those extensions, it falls back to regular RCS. The other benefit of RCS is that if it doesn't go through, it falls back to MMS, which is its real benefit over other data-based messaging protocols.

But wait... Apple's iMessage is also E2EE like RCS+Google, and also falls back to MMS! In fact, Apple has implemented everything useful that RCS+Google implements, and there's no real reason for supporting vanilla RCS without the extras. So they don't. If Apple DID support RCS, they'd still have to fall back to MMS to message anyone on Android, because they wouldn't be implementing the Google extensions.
The only real reason to my eyes that Google is on the RCS train is that they can sell their bespoke version with feature parity to other chat platforms as an open standard and do a PR stunt to redirect the pressure of their mismanaged messaging strategy to Apple. And a lot of people, even tech outlets, gobbled it up.

The thing is, however, bolting things onto an open standard doesn’t make the entirety an open standard. Otherwise you can say iMessage (or anything online really) is open since it’s bolted on TCP/IP.
 
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iPadOS 17 allows widgets to be freely placed anywhere on a Home Screen without having to deal with filling empty space in the grid. That’s pretty huge, IMO, as it’s the first time Apple has allowed users to ignore their left-to-right, top-to-bottom Home Screen fill requirements. Unfortunately, this flexibility was neither extended to app icons nor to iOS 17. I do think it warrants a mention in the iPadOS 17 section.
 
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Man, I thought the hardcore Apple fanboys were over at AppleInsider but it looks they are here too and super butt hurt when people point out all the flaws of Apple and iOS
Don't you think it's more than a little bit sad that these people come here just to point out all the flaws of Apple and iOS?
 
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OK, I know you all are in the middle of advancing each of your long-held personal vendettas against this or that mobile device company, but...

I don’t usually get very excited about iOS updates, so I installed iOS 17 on my iPad Pro just sort of because it was there. And I was surprised to find that I really like it. For an iterative update, they seem to have iterated a lot of the right things. Most of all Stage Manager, which many of us originally hated and turned off. It works so much better now that one YouTuber said he hasn't turned it off, and I haven't either. The way you size and arrange multiple app windows is so much more natural now, with fewer stupid limitations.

The improvements to Lock/Home Screen customization make them widgets more productive and informative for me. And I can't put my finger on it but the total experience just seems smoother and (dare I say it) snappier.

Perhaps there are some subtle niceties to debate regarding spacebar widths and messaging protocols and such, but since I installed iPad OS 17 all I can say that I just enjoy using my iPad a whole lot more than before I did the upgrade. Maybe it's more like iPad OS finally does not get in my way as much as it used to. Whatever it is, it's been great.
 
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Man, I thought the hardcore Apple fanboys were over at AppleInsider but it looks they are here too and super butt hurt when people point out all the flaws of Apple and iOS
Or maybe it’s that people who have chosen to use iOS might not actually want it to be more like Android? It’s perfectly fine to prefer the Android way of doing things over the iOS way. That doesn’t make the iOS way a “flaw”.
 
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I don’t know how lobotomized iPadOS is, but my iPad Pro is a suitable sub to carrying an M1 MBP.

1. It has a 4/5G modem. (To me this is a huge advantage over a tethered MB.)
2. Ethernet works really well. I’ll log into a power plant and run SW and FW updates while a PC is on another network.
3. Lr is integrated pretty well.
4. There are great apps, Carrot Weather, Day One, PDF Editor etc. Ok all of my apps are paid for.
5. The display is a lot nicer than my MBP.

At the end of the day I can watch MLB.tv on the way home.

So I don’t think it’s entirely fair to say it’s not a laptop replacement. It has its strengths. It is fair to say the bang for the buck is lacking. Mine is an M1, WiFi/cell, 16Gig, two TB. And the Magic Keyboard Is usually attached.

For me, it’s a great laptop replacement.
 
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jdale

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Pro tip. If you want to see your co worker’s photos or events, etc. on their locked iPhone, just plug in a charge cable and turn it sideways. Scroll the widgets.

Yay StandBy mode…
I wondered if they actually made that mistake, but they didn't. It actually just says "Unlock to view Photos" in the middle of the screen.

It does show you an extremely abbreviated bit of their calendar. Three items, with just the time and the first ~12 characters of the event name. However, I have calendar notifications enabled for the lock screen, and I didn't check whether disabling that (or some other setting) changes how or if calendar events show up. Of course you can disable Standby, but it does default to on.
 
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Pro tip. If you want to see your co worker’s photos or events, etc. on their locked iPhone, just plug in a charge cable and turn it sideways. Scroll the widgets.

Yay StandBy mode…
Unless your co-worker is your identical twin that won’t work. StandBy is locked by FaceID/Passcode.
 
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Individual apps still not decoupled from system updates after 15 years. One more reason I don't have an iPhone.
What difference does that make? The only reason Google did it is because they're trying to work around all of the difficulty associated in updating Android - a problem of their own making. Apple doesn't have that problem.

More info on why Google had to do that and why Apple doesn't: Google's Iron Grip on Android.
 
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Man, I thought the hardcore Apple fanboys were over at AppleInsider but it looks they are here too and super butt hurt when people point out all the flaws of Apple and iOS
And just in case you're curious, the downvotes are because the second you say fanboys, all you're saying is that you have nothing meaningful to say.
 
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For me, the killer app here is the "Siri..." request. We have acquired a few Homepod Minis. They're useful, but for one chief weakness: they're so extraordinarily sensitive to "Hey Siri" that one in another room will answer the request, preempting my phone that's two feet away from my mouth. It will then have a 50% success rate comprehending the request that follows. Now I can set my phone to respond to "Siri" and leave the Homepods with "Hey Siri". Problem solved! (Sure sounds pretty insane when you write it all out like this, though.)
 
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To anyone scrolling down here hoping to find more features, there's also AirTag sharing, a feature I was looking for ever since we bought our first AirTags a year ago. Previously, AirTags could only be seen in Find My by their owner. With iOS 17 they can be shared with other people so that they can see them in their own Find My app.

We're using an AirTag on our toddler whenever we leave home. So far we, thankfully, managed to only (briefly) lose the AirTag itself. Sharing the AirTag we can have 2 phones and 2 people looking for the baby if God forbid that'd happen. The same setup could apply in other situations as well like, for example, a family car.

The sharing is also great because it’ll stop my wife from getting notifications about an AirTag following her when she borrows my car.
 
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For some reason, took me forever to figure out that the StandBy widgets are editable/swappable just like Home Screen widgets (long press to enter edit mode). Maybe because they are black-on-black so don’t show their rounded-rectangle outline? Was a weird moment of non-discoverability.

I did end up turning off StandBy, though. Didn’t strike me as very useful without a landscape oriented MagSafe dock for it, which is how all of Apple’s marketing for the feature seems to be photographed.

Why would you think you need a specific Magsafe dock? I just stuck my phone sideways on my normal Qi charger and it's fine. Same with just plugging it in and turning it on its side.
 
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Actually, I do not want Apple to bother engaging with a single Google messaging service. I am not using Google products for a reason thanks. I'd literally rather them natively integrate Teams, and I do not want that at all.

RCS is a GSMA messaging protocol. Google just happens to be a vendor and a service provider (for telcos) and a terminal provider. Apple implementing it has nothing to do with Google. It's just that carriers are a shit-show, Google works around them, and Apple can't even be bothered engaging because they don't need to.
 
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Technically not, but custom additions like E2EE are from Google and proprietary.

They're openly documented (and just piggy-back on standard RCS so the gateways don't need to know or care, it's a client-side feature), but they do require using Google for key exchange.
 
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Yes [Standby]is [available on earlier phones], but it will not stay on. You must tap the screen to see the standby mode and it will go away after a few seconds.
Which essentially makes it useless. It also seems to be exceedingly flaky; I have my iPhone 12 Pro laying on its side, on charge, and about one time in 10 will a tap make the Standby mode come on. I'd be interested whether others have this issue.
 
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The E2EE Google is using is literally not in the RCS spec, it's a reimplementation of Signal's encryption on top of the RCS spec. It is also not E2EE because Google is the one decrypting it. The implementation of their E2EE is not open source to my knowledge.

https://support.google.com/messages/answer/9487020?hl=en
This page describes it as Google's RCS service. It describes the services as a chat service that uses internet-based polling with a phone number as an identity. It does not recommend using other RCS service providers in any way, shape, or form. The messages app will not let you choose a different RCS service provider -- it will choose the Google option 100% of the time.

I am in favor of a consortium-based solution but RCS is already poison-pilled from the minute Google added proprietary extensions.

When it's described as E2EE, it really is. The clients encrypt things and stuff it into normal RCS messages. Google has to do the initial key exchange to identify devices (same way Apple does for the iMessage protocol, nothing new there), but after that it's done with it.

Conflating RCS in any way with Google is an easy mistake, but it is a mistake. That's because Google offers all the parts to vendors, but they all can interact with other standard components.

They offer the client on terminal devices. That's Google Messages

They offer as a vendor the RCS gateway software. That's what carriers can (and do) license. They can go to other vendors. They all interoperate.

They offer as a vendor the RCS gateway as a service (they cloud host their software). Again, carriers care. Or not. They can go elsewhere.

They offer a RCS gateway as a service to terminal devices using their client. That's because carriers are a shit-show. Again, that same gateway interoperates with other gateways fine. Samsung's RCS client also supports it too now, but it's not a requirement. It's a value-add feature for the client.

The E2EE part is a client feature and has nothing to do with the rest - and it falls back in the absence of a matching client at the other end.

Apple could at any point they feel like add standard RCS above MMS but below the iMessages protocol, and no big deal. Except it would rely on carriers not being a shit-show, and wading into that pool isn't worth their time - it would add a fragile point in the middle that doesn't have to exist.

When carriers finally get their act together (and there's 800+ of them), and then make the case to Apple that RCS is necessary, Apple will just add it like anything else.
 
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