From <em>Akalabeth</em> to <em>Xenobia</em>, many rare PC titles are now considered elaborate scams.
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"It’s like finding a double agent in an intelligence organization," collector Dan Chisarick told Ars. "He knows the holistic value of classic games and the kind of damage that fake copies can cause."
Yep, a collector feigning ignorance about packaging is pretty galling.Even if it *was* just the bag, swapping out anything from "as pictured" without directly calling it out is sketchy as fuck.It seems to me that admitting he switched the bags makes Ricciardi more suspicious, not less.
His argument there is essentially that he switched one thing, but some other person in the chain switched all the other things. Something something Occam's razor.
If you're the go-to-guy for spotting fakes, of COURSE your stuff will always be legit, right?
Who Watches the Watchmen?
This is an ongoing problem in other collecting communities, especially ones with lots of older "experts" who built most of their collections in the pre-internet era.
The thing to keep in mind is that even the "experts" are, by definition, amateurs. These are just people who are really interested in a thing and gather together a ton of knowledge about the thing. And that's a lot of work, so eventually once a community decides that someone is an expert they become an authority figure. It's a lot easier to trust an authority figure that everyone believes really knows this stuff than to do the hard work of gathering all that information yourself.
Sometimes this stuff happens because the beloved "expert" isn't as infallible as everyone thought. A lot of times you'll find that they curve their own assessment of what's real and what's fake to match what they have in their collection, and at least part of that is ego. After all, no one wants to believe they were duped or incorrect about something. Part of it also comes from the prestige in their community of having that original item. Then, there's the financial consideration. You don't want to declare your own thing fake because then the value of it tanks.
Sometimes it happens because the "expert" gets greedy. Everyone is already trusting your at your word when you say something is real, so why not fob off a fake and keep the real one yourself? Or just turn a few bucks grabbing less interesting versions of whatever you collect and making some small modifications which you then sell as an "interesting and rare variation."
All of this is made even worse by the fact that a lot of the really old greybeard collectors can be extremely secretive. If you get into niche enough collecting communities books or other info can be hard to come by and people jealously guard and horde whatever info they can get.
The one thing that has helped a LOT with that is the internet. The proliferation of hobby-specific message boards means you get a lot more eyeballs on things and when information gets out it tends to circulate a lot more widely. It also makes it much easier for people to compare examples of rare items. Even if there's only a few hundred of something in the world, if there's a collecting community you might be able to get high quality pictures of a dozen or two of them to compare against each other. That's the kind of environment where people start spotting the discrepancies that we see in this article, and where a solid baseline of what the real deal should look like emerges.
The rub is, how do you scrutinize something that is essentially unique?
And nothing of value was lost.
This isn't as heartwarming as the NFT collectible issues, but its also a good source of laughter.
And nothing of value was lost.
This isn't as heartwarming as the NFT collectible issues, but its also a good source of laughter.
Yeah, I find the urge to collect stuff fascinating. If it's your thing fine but it's funny to see people get worked up over what amounts to crap. Fine wines you're not going to drink are in the same category.
Putting a very obviously cracked copy of Xenobia on the fake then seems like an incredibly stupid thing to do. If his supposed original was already opened, he could have used that tape to make a copy from.I admit the circumstances seem pretty suspicious, although I'm curious why he would duplicate authentic games that he received - so he could have his cake and sell it on as well? Or is there some thriving black market of video games that he was also selling on?
Yeah the general (alleged) idea is that you keep the rare original, then trade fakes for other originals, and pretty soon you have a great, authentic collection that's worth a lot!
Also works if you just sell the fakes and use the money for more rare game purchases (or just living life...)
Either he thought the buyer wouldn't actually try to read the tape, in which case, why bother with the cracked version which would fool nobody. Or his supposed original" s also a fake, in which case he made a fake from a fake that he believed to be an original.
Xenobia was on a disk, not a tape.
I suppose the forger could have just given a blank disk or a disk with junk data (as with the cassette tape game discussed in the article). But with a cracked version on there I guess if you're found out it's easier to say "Oh when I tested the game it loaded just fine and I guess I missed the crack screen that someone else put on there."
As for "making a fake from a fake" the forger almost certainly just put a cracked copy from the Internet on the disk -- having access to the original didn't matter. And the whole point of the copy protection on the original disk is that you can't just make an authentic-looking copy of the data without cracking it (though maybe modern tools could copy the data undetectably -- I'm not actually clear on that)
I admit the circumstances seem pretty suspicious, although I'm curious why he would duplicate authentic games that he received - so he could have his cake and sell it on as well? Or is there some thriving black market of video games that he was also selling on?
Yeah the general (alleged) idea is that you keep the rare original, then trade fakes for other originals, and pretty soon you have a great, authentic collection that's worth a lot!
Also works if you just sell the fakes and use the money for more rare game purchases (or just living life...)
Am having a real hard time understanding the appeal of collecting, essentially, old floppy discs.
There's at least three distinct groups of collectors: One is the ones collecting as an investment. The 2nd is the ones who have it as a hobby, they want complete sets, the rare stuff etc, and mainly sell to finance other purchases, like to complete as set etc. The third is... Dunno what to call them. The ones that want specific items for specific reasons. Like nostalgia, being a huge fan of a specific character etc.Part of what is at play here, and elsewhere, is that people who buy forgeries are often highly motivated to believe they are authentic. No one wants to believe they were duped, and everyone wants to be able to sell their investment in the future for more than they paid.
I can't understand the collector mindset. If I can't use it, I don't want it. Why would you want to saddle yourself with more junk? Yes, it's junk, almost zero utility.
It's not junk; utility is not the only measurement for desire or enjoyment.
For some people the chase, the find, the acquisition is as fulfilling as an amateur baker finally nailing that perfect croissant or pain a chocolot.
All of this is made even worse by the fact that a lot of the really old greybeard collectors can be extremely secretive. If you get into niche enough collecting communities books or other info can be hard to come by and people jealously guard and horde whatever info they can get.
Thanks for sharing!You know how you're complaining about stuff on the comments of an online article?I can't understand the collector mindset. If I can't use it, I don't want it. Why would you want to saddle yourself with more junk? Yes, it's junk, almost zero utility. I can understand a museum collection, with a clear purpose to share the material for public edification. I can understand a scholarly interest, to study what was made and how. I can understand the financial aspect, although there are ways to invest that actually benefit society. This hoarding obsession is pure waste; waste of time, waste of money, waste of space.
It's kinda like that. People choose to spend their time in ways that they personally find enjoyable, even if it's not productive.
Posting on an Internet forum board is not my hobby, look at my post count. I do that when I have nothing else to do, like now. Stuck waiting for a contractor to show up at a different site. At least I’m getting paid to sit on my ass. I don’t spend countless hours poring over post history and such to be forum king or archivist. Just killing time, making the best of a bad situation. Collecting junk, on the other hand, is a self inflicted wound.
But with a cracked version on there I guess if you're found out it's easier to say "Oh when I tested the game it loaded just fine and I guess I missed the crack screen that someone else put on there."
I never knew this was a thing. Makes me wonder if there are a big forgery/fake scenes for other nerd hobbies. Like, are there fakes of, say, Detective Comics #1 or early Gundam action figures? If yes, have there been similar scandals?
Am having a real hard time understanding the appeal of collecting, essentially, old floppy discs.
Maybe I should start collecting forgeries. They sound like they often have more interesting stories associated with them than the original objects being forged. Cheaper to collect, too.
Kyle weren't you going to write an article about scam auctions and price fixing in the retro console space after your last two articles on million dollar auctions were roundly criticized by the Ars community? Yet here you are linking them again and passing them off as legit.
Link to where Kyle & his editors accepted the premise that his previous work was not "legit," please.
After hearing reader feedback, we will be expanding on our previous coverage of Wata Games and Halperin, and further examining the allegations of ethical breaches by Wata and others in the game collecting community. Look for a report here on Ars in the future.
This good enough?
https://meincmagazine.com/gaming/2021/12/ ... -the-rare/
Also, my implication was that the auctions were not legit. I don't have a personal issue with Dan or Kyle, but it is irksome if they got played and won't take a stronger editorial stance saying on the issue by saying "hey, I got chumpatized." It damages their credibility on all future related topics. That is the point I was trying to make.
And nothing of value was lost.
This isn't as heartwarming as the NFT collectible issues, but its also a good source of laughter.
Offset ink is oil-based, and wouldn't flake off like this. I wonder if this is coated paper for inkjet printing, and the "aged white" was printed[/]? Again, should be super easy to tell under a microscope/loupe.
Forget the microscope, they printed the scanned label including patina around the original edges and then badly hand cut it. Absolute amateur hour:
Easier to buy genuine bare arcade PCBs because at least you can see them, and when you get them it's relatively simple to match to the photos you got. Neo Geo carts are sealed up, so you gotta open them up to examine them, and a lot of people don't bother. I know I've never checked any of my carts lol, but I only have a handful of MVS.I collect Neo Geo games (Japanese versions - US versions are too rich for my blood), and I'm fairly certain several of them are forgeries.
I've collected multiple other platforms over the years, and have come to the general conclusion that it's virtually impossible to buy only genuine articles these days.
For me, collecting is like betting - it's important to keep in mind that you should never spend more than you're willing to lose. If what you're doing isn't that, then you're doing it wrong.
I do hope that this is not, in fact, merely a case of "There can be differences in a product released in different markets depending on the production line used to make the product.".
I've got a sealed Genesis game still, an impulse buy from a Toys R Us years after the Genesis ceased production. The only way I could prove ownership or chain of custody would be the receipt, and god knows where that is if it even still exists, or if it's legible if it does because thermal printing never ages well. And the older the game in question is, the harder proving that becomes.Are people stupid and believing this "Mister X" crap? WTF is wrong with people, and when you pay 100k, you should get a chain of custody and certificate of previous owners etc.
Lol that is at least normal for expensive cars, watches etc. If someone says "here is a Rolex for 500k but I got it from an anonymous person sending via PO box YOLO" and "even though I got it original boxing, but I changed it haha, no biggie" maybe stay away from the trade.
In a perfect world you aren't wrong and I'd want that too, but I also don't think it's a realistic expectation.
If you used a credit card you should have proof, assuming the transactions are kept that long
In my case, some of the games were bought from Frys (R.I.P) & I usually put the receipts in the box & they are still readable
I guess everyone used to buy & hoard games with the expectation they would "play & finish them someday"
...... then life kicks in......and you can them post about the good old days![]()
I wish games still came in giant cardboard boxes with manuals and random swag