In the void of “sensible guidance from the CDC,” states and leaders need to act.
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Ignore the CDC, former top health experts say. Some states already have
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davijoh723
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Sad that it has come to this, but probably the best course of action given the circumstances.
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Looks like the Trump admin succeeded in breaking the faith in yet another american institution.
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Is it obvious yet what role Good Government has in society? And what happens when you have a bunch of self-serving morons running it.
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Your government is tearing your country to pieces. This is truly scary stuff, meaning I'm very afraid nothing will change come november. Please get your shit together, for all of us.
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I'm beginning to think Trump, and his cronies, just want the world to burn. How can you so blatantly dismantle so many critical, environmental and health-based protections organizations. Going so far as to force well-respected agencies into promoting dangerously false information.
They have to know that their actions will directly result in untold human suffering, right?
Right...?
They have to know that their actions will directly result in untold human suffering, right?
Right...?
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Look at the bright side: this might be the genesis of fifty new countries. Then Donald Trump won't be president of anything anymore, right?
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VelvetGlove
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A blanket "ignore everything the CDC says" goes to far: much of the guidance it has given prior to last week's changes has been on track, and much of the information on the public web site is accurate. Even the school re-opening guide, provided you read the actual details and don't give weight to the summary, is reasonable.
I'd say a better plan is "take everything CDC says with a grain of salt," is a better approach. But the best plan at this point would be to follow WHO's guidance, or guidance of the countries that have had outbreaks but gotten them under control.
I'd say a better plan is "take everything CDC says with a grain of salt," is a better approach. But the best plan at this point would be to follow WHO's guidance, or guidance of the countries that have had outbreaks but gotten them under control.
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This is the Steve Bannon neo-con rule book. Trump is playing by this rule-set to a tee. Proclaim government is a failure at everything they touch, make laws and regulation to ensure government/agencies fail, self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling. Now divest the savings to the top 1-2% of earners via tax breaks, rinse and repeat. When that fails, start pulling a reverse Robinhood by killing off programs for the middle, poor, and underclass (like welfare, foodstamps, social security, medicare/medicaid - that Trump war against the payroll tax) to once again divert money to the upper 1-2%.
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How strange. Apparently ignoring experts is what both got us into this mess and now will theoretically get us out of it.
A sad state of affairs for rational thought.
A sad state of affairs for rational thought.
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Me too. The move by the CDC to be a Trump lap dog was the last straw. Their good reputation is gone and with it any hope we can recover anytime soon. With so much disinformation having been circulated, even a vaccine may not get us back to any kind of normalcy. We are so fucked.
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We live in absolutely crazy times when "ignore the CDC's guidance" seems like a reasonable thing to do.
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It would be interesting if the press consulted with actual experts and ignored reporting on any government directive that is flat out wrong. So something like this, no one would even hear about and testing of exposed asymptomatic people would continue on as though nothing has changed.
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I've said it before. Trump is a Russian asset. And too many of his supporters just don't fucking care.
To me, that explains everything Trump's done.
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I don't understand. I've worked inside the federal agency fence before (but not at the CDC nor directly for the Feds), and while there's a lot of pressure the political appointees can bring to bear there's plenty of wiggle room and a lot of job security. Especially when it's within the agency's mandate. The White House leaks like a sieve but the CDC has only managed a few (well timed) document leaks. We barely hear a peep from their employees, but I expected whistles blowing all the time instead of the one or two we've heard to date. I need a social scientist to explain this to me.
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VelvetGlove
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Exactly. It is class warfare, and the uppermost class wants the make the rest of us into serfs and peasants.
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The sad part is that ignoring CDC messaging is no longer ignoring the experts. The experts still work there, but are muzzled. The mouthpieces have changed.
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No biggie. It's just another crown-jewel of the US destroyed by the orange parasite.
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As mentioned above, Trump is just the result of the Republican goal of "Drown government in a bathtub." they've been setting up for decades. Trump doesn't need to be an asset to do the Russian's work for them. He's an asset to the Republican dream.
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As a non American, I have always looked at America like a shining beacon when it comes to technology and everything else. My goodness, how you guys have failed. I know this is not on a lot of Americans, but it is on a lot of Americans. I simply could not have imagined the downfall that has happened in the last 4 years. My apologies.
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At this point, I'm convinced that in Russian, the word "Trump" means "Excalibur".
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The Federal government, under Republicans in all three branches, has abdicated all power except military and all authority except taxation. In their blind quest for "small government", they have stripped away the useful and necessary parts, leaving only the graft, the corruption, and enough power to ensure their re-election by the mindless and the spiteful.
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The sad thing is that each state individually figuring out their own plan is how it got so bad in the first place, and now we have to do it again. If New York masks up and quarantines well enough to kill the community spread in their city, people from states that aren't testing and aren't masking can easily cross the state borders and spread the disease anyway. States don't have the tools available to them to restrict entry from other states, so the least responsible can keep spilling their problems all over the place as long as they want.
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Above all, it's embarrassing. Lighting a sterling reputation on fire to own the libs, for essentially no practical gain, even defining "practical gain" in the most cynical possible way.
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Thanks to all the racist and/or "tax cuts for me and gutting the government, no matter the cost" slavering ghouls who voted for The Orange One. Really bang-up job your guy has done.
But hey, at least someone with a vagina wasn't president! The horror!
But hey, at least someone with a vagina wasn't president! The horror!
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"Practical gain" in this case is very obviously "make the charts go down before election day by doing less testing" with no regard for whether the underlying problem is controlled or not.
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Ok folks, the 2020 prank has gone too far and too long. Can we stop now? Can someone jump out from behind the sofa and yell "gotcha!"?
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Mitch McConnell reminds me of Sméagol. Many years before Sméagol found the ring in the muck, he was a happy, little Hobbit-like fellow. But over time, he became the disgusting, hateful Gollum. Mitch was happy once or twice when he was a child, but he hasn't know happiness in probably 68 years. It's easy to envision him biting down on a raw catfish and eating it, guts and all; indeed, such a meal has a religious significance to Mitch, in which the catfish is both a sacrificial representation of poor people and a holy sacrament signifying the wealthy getting fat off the bottom-feeding poor.
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Another vital US Government institution destroyed from the inside. CDC, EPA, USPS, the list goes on. Four more years of this, and our transition to a third world oligarchy like Russia will be complete.
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