It seems to me like a form of A/B testing. They'll get warranty repairs, battery replacement, and service desk reports to inform them of the relative costs and difficulties of all of the above.Bit of an odd jumble this year - the 16 gets the electrical adhesive but standard non-metal battery, the Pro gets the metal battery but pull tab adhesive, and the Pro Max gets both the old pull tabs and non-metal battery
The other possibility is supply chain constraints limiting their ability to adopt the same battery design across their entire lineup.Hopefully as they test everything this year and see how it goes every 17 model moves on to all electrical adhesive and all metal batteries, same as they started with the smallest Apple Watch with the metal batteries and then moved up.
Dare I ask why the character on the left is holding a mountain dulcimer?
This was answered 17 years ago when the first iPhone was releasedI've always been confused about why any battery is glued on to the phone frame at all.
There were three problems:Old phones with replaceable batteries didn't seem to have problems.
Google had huge air spaces around their battery:Modern phones are so tightly packed that the battery has nowhere to go anyways. Drop protection, maybe, so the battery can't move a tiny bit on a severe shock?
Something has to secure the battery, and if it's screws it needs a rigid material to connect the battery to the screw. Without a rigid material you're stuck with adhesives of some sort.In any case, the new electrical release adhesive is pretty cool. Happy to see some progress in repairability.
The Doctor will be disappointed.First iFixit video said:Does that mean if you reverse the polarity it'll rebond the battery? No, not quite.
Oh, come now. 12V car batteries are everywhere.Does it need 12V to release, or did iFixit just use that voltage because they had it handy?
Pull tabs are annoying, but anyone could work them. And while a pair of alligator leads are cheap, most people don't have easy access to a low current DC current higher than the 9V from a new alkaline battery. You can get 12V from a desktop PSU, but without something else to limit the current you're going to get a lot flowing through, which could cause problems of its own.
Does it need 12V to release, or did iFixit just use that voltage because they had it handy?
Pull tabs are annoying, but anyone could work them.
Ifixit has an image they say is from apple's official repair guide that shows a 9V battery used for a minute and a half.Does it need 12V to release, or did iFixit just use that voltage because they had it handy?
Pull tabs are annoying, but anyone could work them. And while a pair of alligator leads are cheap, most people don't have easy access to a low current DC current higher than the 9V from a new alkaline battery. You can get 12V from a desktop PSU, but without something else to limit the current you're going to get a lot flowing through, which could cause problems of it's own.
IIRC rechargeable polymer cells expand and contract slightly under use. They need a bit of "breathing room", but then also need to be secured within that space. I suppose a flexible "packing material" could work as well, but flexible adhesives are probably cheaper.I've always been confused about why any battery is glued on to the phone frame at all. Old phones with replaceable batteries didn't seem to have problems. Modern phones are so tightly packed that the battery has nowhere to go anyways. Drop protection, maybe, so the battery can't move a tiny bit on a severe shock?
Probably some of both. They had to design more than one maintenance scheme because of supply chain limitations, but at the same time they'll use the information from authorized repair shops to issue guidelines to inform the next iteration. Waste not, want not.It seems to me like a form of A/B testing. They'll get warranty repairs, battery replacement, and service desk reports to inform them of the relative costs and difficulties of all of the above.
The other possibility is supply chain constraints limiting their ability to adopt the same battery design across their entire lineup.
You'll just have to watch The WeekendersDare I ask why the character on the left is holding a mountain dulcimer?
I agree.It seems to me like a form of A/B testing. They'll get warranty repairs, battery replacement, and service desk reports to inform them of the relative costs and difficulties of all of the above.
The other possibility is supply chain constraints limiting their ability to adopt the same battery design across their entire lineup.
Does it need 12V to release, or did iFixit just use that voltage because they had it handy?
That’s an obvious worry. Do you think nobody at apple thought about that? Seriously? So the next million or so iPhones 16s will all go up in flames?The one thing that worries me about electrical release adhesives is... what if there's a short to the adhesive? Not a problem if the adhesive is adhering plastic to plastic, but if it's adhering metal to metal and one of those is a ground plane, all it would take is a sudden spike in the ground plane voltage, and you've got a loose battery bouncing around in there.
This is genius! Everyone has a 9 volt battery and they’re perfectly designed to snap a connector on - one with clips like this should be inexpensive. Wonder if Apple got a patent? This should increase efficiency of shops that replace the batteries.In the official repair manual Apple specify a 9V battery, as illustrated in this image from the manual:
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I also seem to remember hearing somewhere you can go up to something like 30V.
From the official repair manual:It’ll be interesting to see if the adhesive still releases cleanly five years from now.
Does anyone know how the electrical release adhesive actually works? From the bit of info that higher voltage will make it release more quickly, it makes me suspicious that it is actually a thermal effect. Kind of like “memory wire” where it changes shape when electricity is applied. For that stuff, the actual physical change is due to the temperature being increased by resistive heating when a current is run through the wire, not because of a direct electrical process.
It's electro-chemical. When voltage is applied, the adhesive moves to one of the two plates. When the polarity of the voltage is reversed, the adhesive moves to the other plate of the two. So, you want to have the right polarity so that the adhesive sticks to the battery side, not the phone side.Does anyone know how the electrical release adhesive actually works? From the bit of info that higher voltage will make it release more quickly, it makes me suspicious that it is actually a thermal effect. Kind of like “memory wire” where it changes shape when electricity is applied. For that stuff, the actual physical change is due to the temperature being increased by resistive heating when a current is run through the wire, not because of a direct electrical process.
This is genius! Everyone has a 9 volt battery and they’re perfectly designed to snap a connector on - one with clips like this should be inexpensive. Wonder if Apple got a patent? This should increase efficiency of shops that replace the batteries.
I had my iPhone 4 battery replaced years ago. Read up on what was needed to do the work myself and decided not to risk it, and getting the battery loose was one of the reasons. My iPhone XS’s battery is dying. I’m considering trading it in for an iPhone 16. Just visited Apple, T-Mobile and Verizon stores yesterday and got information about their plans and trade-in policies. Talk about confusing! I’ll mull over the details then see if I can get better deals by calling the companies directly. I have AT&T now, and their salesperson suggested that I call their “loyalty” department. If I decide to keep my old phone a little longer, I’ll get Apple to replace the battery.
JFC. Has everyone forgotten how to use the internet for research?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/admi.202101447
How could anyone think it’s a thermal process in a phone? With a 9 volt battery. Connected to a big heat sink.
You know, I am a fan of unchanging externals, but better internals.
I cannot remember the iPhone version I had, but one of them was very sensitive to connector being moved around (this was pre-lightning), and I did not get the first lightning version, but I certainly appreciated that they made the iPhone 6-style phones really good in that respect for a while.
I know that they have to "differentiate" hardware a lot of times, but if the design is solid, do not change it.
I would love to have a mini-12 phone that is nice on the hands even if it is thicker for battery life, but that is just me.
Just take a look then:plenty of modern phones have removable batteries - fairphone, pinephone, libre phone
You do know that hot pads have been used for years to soften the glue in phones, right?How could anyone think it’s a thermal process in a phone?