If things in America weren’t stupid enough, Texas is suing Tylenol maker
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Unfortunately this. MAGA has so far been getting settlements for whatever they want, from whomever they want. And since I don't know anyone who doesn't interpret a settlement as effectively an admission of guilt, we can chalk up another blow to evidence-based medicine.
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So many Arsians have suggested the approach of burying Texas and Paxton with court briefs, motions, and a crushing amount of discovery and the like. Yes, I agree with that. It might not make any difference in a Texas court, but it’s essential to get it on record. But those posters are forgetting the most important maneuver J&J pioneered 40+ years ago: Winning in the court of public opinion.
J&J’s story of its response to the Tylenol poisonings is the stuff of management legend, and since then has been required reading in almost any business school. Their response to the very reasonable panic by consumers was, well, exactly what should be done.
Yes, the current nonsense in Texas and the Tylenol poisoning, on the surface, have absolutely nothing in common. But, at the heart of the matter it is another unjustified attack on a company’s flagship brand, one that has been trusted by consumers for decades.
J&J and Kenvue must start a full-throated defense of Tylenol, and show the receipts. Although it would be fun to watch a takedown of Trump and Kennedy in this effort, it isn’t necessary. Facts, science and countless doctor’s recommendations make that unnecessary. No, I’ll never be a corporate shill, but sometimes you need to defend your product against absurd attacks such as this. I hope someone at J&J/Kenvue will stand up at their Crisis Management meeting and recite what Gene Kranz said in Apollo 13:
“With all due respect sir, I believe this will be our finest hour" *
It can be, and I wish them well.
* Actually, Kranz never said this…. but I digress.
J&J’s story of its response to the Tylenol poisonings is the stuff of management legend, and since then has been required reading in almost any business school. Their response to the very reasonable panic by consumers was, well, exactly what should be done.
Yes, the current nonsense in Texas and the Tylenol poisoning, on the surface, have absolutely nothing in common. But, at the heart of the matter it is another unjustified attack on a company’s flagship brand, one that has been trusted by consumers for decades.
J&J and Kenvue must start a full-throated defense of Tylenol, and show the receipts. Although it would be fun to watch a takedown of Trump and Kennedy in this effort, it isn’t necessary. Facts, science and countless doctor’s recommendations make that unnecessary. No, I’ll never be a corporate shill, but sometimes you need to defend your product against absurd attacks such as this. I hope someone at J&J/Kenvue will stand up at their Crisis Management meeting and recite what Gene Kranz said in Apollo 13:
“With all due respect sir, I believe this will be our finest hour" *
It can be, and I wish them well.
* Actually, Kranz never said this…. but I digress.
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And this is the overall problem. Not enough companies are willing to sacrifice themselves on the altar, so false claims DO lead to "victories", and that snowballs.
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Someone forgot to donate... Or the gift was was silver-plated instead of fake gold?
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Woah, at this rate America will make Afghanistan look like a reasonable place to live. Idiocrazy is coming much faster than anyone thought.
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You need to zoom out.
It's about pleasing the leader, about performing for the cultmembers, about flexing fascist muscles. The absurdity might be part of the plan: they show you that they WILL bully you as hard as possible, EVEN if nothing is there and they would likely lose when pushed to the end. For now. Maybe. It's all part of breaking down existing systems.
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You know the world is messed up when you're rooting for the large pharma company in a lawsuit.
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I have begun to suspect this is bread and circuses. As the things people need to be deflected from continue, so the deflections have to be more and more absorbing, like "Why the fuck Tylenol??"
I genuinely think this is part of the roadmap to the 4th Reich.
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Steve Bannon has been very busy exercising his playbook in Europe since Trump's first term, with significant success.
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Scary Devil Monastery
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It's the logical outcome of literally having gone all-in on FUD. GOP politicians yesterday? Could try to scare their voters with the democratic party. Today? They own both houses. The presidency. SCOTUS. And have managed to push through every last old hobbyhorse they'd pushed for since forever.
They're a party which has focused a narrative of being a contrarian underdog and now has to look for new things to be against.
If it hadn't been Tylenol it would have been any other widely used item they could claim was in reality horrible but sheltered by a conspiracy of librul elites (reading between the lines: the jewish conspiracy) to manufacture new outrage over.
The only "rational" reasons to be found are now the ones which read like conspiracies - wealthy pharma execs paying off GOP politicians to taint the reputation of cheap generic painkillers to open the market for something newer,safer and much more expensive, for instance.
The far more likely truth is that Tylenol is simply one more manufactured outrage added to the steady stream of bullshit they use to maintain momentum with to a base which has been trained for generations to show a pavlovian response to sources of grievance.
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Scary Devil Monastery
Ars Scholae Palatinae
Arguably that alien was a lot smarter than the farmer. No, it's an easy mistake to make but that picture, I argue, is just the early patient zero in George A. Romero's old documentary on the vitally challenged from 1968.
Don't let him bite you.
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How long until the farma companies start suing the US government for slander and libel? Because this is now veering dangerously into slander and libel territory imho.
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Scary Devil Monastery
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Accuracy is importance. What Wakefield did was worse than that, by far.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
Wakefield, you see, had this brilliant idea that might pay more than medicine. At the same time that he added fudged numbers to autism studies he was busy setting up a company for the intended purpose of selling diagnostic kits for the "developed autism". With literally every child in Britain having received the vaccine he had falsely linked to autism, he expected a windfall of clients.
Cited from the wiki article;
"The British Medical Journal editorial concluded that Wakefield's paper was an "elaborate fraud".[98][99]
In a BMJ follow-up article on 11 January 2011,[45] Deer stated that Wakefield had planned to capitalize on the MMR vaccination scare provoked by his paper.[100] He said that based upon documents he had obtained under Freedom of information legislation,[12] Wakefield—in partnership with the father of one of the boys in the study—had planned to launch a venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing".[68][100] The Washington Post reported that Deer said that Wakefield predicted he "could make more than $43 million a year from diagnostic kits" for the new condition, autistic enterocolitis.[12] According to Deer's report in BMJ, the ventures, Immunospecifics Biotechnologies Ltd and Carmel Healthcare Ltd—named after Wakefield's wife—failed after Wakefield's superiors at University College London's medical school gave him a two-page letter that said:
"We remain concerned about a possible serious conflict of interest between your academic employment by UCL, and your involvement with Carmel ... This concern arose originally because the company's business plan appears to depend on premature, scientifically unjustified publication of results, which do not conform to the rigorous academic and scientific standards that are generally expected."[45]
WebMD reported on Deer's BMJ report, saying that the $43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" and that "the initial market for the diagnostic will be litigation-driven testing of patients with AE [autistic enterocolitis, an unproven condition concocted by Wakefield] from both the UK and the US".[101] According to WebMD, the BMJ article also claimed that Carmel Healthcare Ltd. would succeed in marketing products and developing a replacement vaccine if "public confidence in the MMR vaccine [were] damaged".[101]
In October 2012, research published in PNAS, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, identified Wakefield's 1998 paper as the most cited retracted scientific paper, with 758 citations, and gave the "reason for retraction" as "fraud".[102]"
Briefly summarized, Wakefield's fraud is very clearly detailed and investigated. There is no ambiguity about it. He saw fit to invent a conspiracy out of whole cloth and proceeded to attempt to make big money from a deliberately constructed con. With the sole intent to undermine the entire concept of vaccination. Throwing every child, present and future, under the bus.This is a man who intended to victimize every child in existence for his own gain. I'd rank him alongside serial killers for this demonstration in self-centered sociopathy.
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The whole reason we have the now-retracted study about vaccines causing autism was purely so a lawyer could sue vaccine makers. The lawyer simply asked a doctor to make up a study so he could have evidence and sue people for profit.
That's where we're at these days - the study was made up purely for greed.
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This isn't about Tylenol or autism. Never was, never will be.
It's about controlling and subjugating women in order to create an entire class of subservient baby factories and caretakers.
It's about controlling and subjugating women in order to create an entire class of subservient baby factories and caretakers.
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Next step: You tie up the board members of Tylenol and dunk them into water. If they float they are guilty, if they sink, they are innocent.
Built a stake next to it, for the next move, just in case.
Thank you USA for this great season of Halloween!
Built a stake next to it, for the next move, just in case.
Thank you USA for this great season of Halloween!
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You dont sue the government unless you have no other choice. Its very bad for business messing with the guys who can cripple your cashflow, even if you are right. You speak from the perspective of someone living in a somewhat still functioning democracy, which is not the case here.
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I need to see if I can find some group to phonebank against this guy. I don't know what besides the R gives him his staying power but we've failed to get rid of him--even through the primary--for far too long.
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Here the government is pretty well insulated from lawsuits of most kinds. This is actually sensible, or the courts would be absolutely clogged with nuisance lawsuits filed for the sole purpose of gumming up the works of whatever agency was involved. There are exceptions, but I doubt you'd get a defamation case of any sort to fly.
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This administration hasn't "solved racism" and never will. In fact, that's contrary to their goals. Your hypothetical doesn't even try to make sense.
Your position is as reprehensible as it is incomprehensible.
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Shouldn’t be much of a surprise here as to who suffers from this bullshit misinformation campaign: women, first and foremost, and the unborn children these god botherering R’s love to protect, and despise after they are born to anyone but white Christians.
It’s already a well documented fact that doctors significantly discount or ignore women’s claims of pain, and now they’re trying to take away the one pain reliever that’s been proven safe for women to take while pregnant? I have a hard time believing this is a coincidence, and not just another coordinated attempt to punish and repress women.
It’s already a well documented fact that doctors significantly discount or ignore women’s claims of pain, and now they’re trying to take away the one pain reliever that’s been proven safe for women to take while pregnant? I have a hard time believing this is a coincidence, and not just another coordinated attempt to punish and repress women.
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Someone should really turn Paxton, Trump and his band of miscreants on to the problems of dihydrogen monoxide. I wouldn't at all be surprised if they responded similarly to that.
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Might it not make a difference where the suit is to be tried? If it was in a sane, non-Texas court in an city not already co-opted by MAGA, sure it would be dismissed almost immediately. Put it in front of a Trumpy judge in a Trumpy court in a Trumpy city and the results might be entirely different.
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Now that we've distributed circus nourishment (buckets of popcorn) to everyone in the courtroom, we call our expert to testify...
Mr. Pillow Guy (Mike Lindell), c'mon down!
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A number of people on this thread have suggested that the case was brought to distract attention from the Epstein files. This may be true.
Let me postulate that the Epstein files are also a distraction. Most of the people involved with Epstein are known about, it is unlikely that many more will be discovered. However the 'files' concentrate on his obnoxious sexual predilections.
Look for the money! Where did the money come from?
Jeffrey started his professional life as a teacher in a private school, pays well but not life changing amounts. He then went to Bear Stearns where he apparently acquired enough money to become a 'financier'. No one seems to be asking the obvious question here. Who provided the initial credit that allowed him to do this?
In my last post I promised not to start stupid rumours again. Sorry!
Let me postulate that the Epstein files are also a distraction. Most of the people involved with Epstein are known about, it is unlikely that many more will be discovered. However the 'files' concentrate on his obnoxious sexual predilections.
Look for the money! Where did the money come from?
Jeffrey started his professional life as a teacher in a private school, pays well but not life changing amounts. He then went to Bear Stearns where he apparently acquired enough money to become a 'financier'. No one seems to be asking the obvious question here. Who provided the initial credit that allowed him to do this?
In my last post I promised not to start stupid rumours again. Sorry!
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It's the BBQ, especially brisket, that makes them stupid. Maybe they need to sue whoever invented BBQ. /S
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I see extortion in progress. First the accusation, then the settlement to appease the accuser and avoid further financial loss from public opinion souring on the product. Welcome to Russia!!
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What he needs is votes, and he's not getting them. This looks more like a misbegotten attempt to appeal to a base he believes exists, but probably isn't, even in Texas.
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