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Why do you think it has no ambient light sensor?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863505#p29863505:3a8qavh3 said:i4mt3hwin[/url]":3a8qavh3]In the specs you list "ambient light sensor" -- I don't believe this watch has one.
The battery life is interesting considering it has the same internals as the Moto 360 v2 (42). I guess OLED does make a pretty big difference on a watch. Motorola also needs to fix it's aliasing problem in ambient mode, the Huawei doesn't have this problem.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863489#p29863489:27g27q5j said:SpectrumCyclist[/url]":27g27q5j]In other words, compared to Apple Watch, it's pretty lousy.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863531#p29863531:jk97n7g3 said:RndNum123[/url]":jk97n7g3]Why do you think it has no ambient light sensor?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863505#p29863505:jk97n7g3 said:i4mt3hwin[/url]":jk97n7g3]In the specs you list "ambient light sensor" -- I don't believe this watch has one.
The battery life is interesting considering it has the same internals as the Moto 360 v2 (42). I guess OLED does make a pretty big difference on a watch. Motorola also needs to fix it's aliasing problem in ambient mode, the Huawei doesn't have this problem.
I couldn't find a possible place for the light sensor at this watch, too. But I think every smartwatch needs one, to dimm the display appropriately and save battery.
I believe The Verge noted it doesn't seem to have one.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863531#p29863531:3eyi5096 said:RndNum123[/url]":3eyi5096]Why do you think it has no ambient light sensor?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863505#p29863505:3eyi5096 said:i4mt3hwin[/url]":3eyi5096]In the specs you list "ambient light sensor" -- I don't believe this watch has one.
The battery life is interesting considering it has the same internals as the Moto 360 v2 (42). I guess OLED does make a pretty big difference on a watch. Motorola also needs to fix it's aliasing problem in ambient mode, the Huawei doesn't have this problem.
My G Watch doesn't have one; it seems to dim the screen based on activity (which means it will blast my retinas when I check it in the middle of the night---which is why I don't do that any more. It's possible the Huawei unit detects that you're turning-and-raising (or rather not turning and raising) and acts accordingly and dims the display.I couldn't find a possible place for the light sensor at this watch, too. But I think every smartwatch needs one, to dimm the display appropriately and save battery.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863577#p29863577:3qx9xbmd said:Joriarty[/url]":3qx9xbmd][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863489#p29863489:3qx9xbmd said:SpectrumCyclist[/url]":3qx9xbmd]In other words, compared to Apple Watch, it's pretty lousy.
Nope. In comparison to the Apple Watch, I'd say: better form, poorer function. It's neither better nor worse – just different. Funny... usually Apple's products are the ones that sacrifice form over function.
Unlike the Moto 360, Huawei bands don't have a quick-release feature.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863627#p29863627:1sktwrmu said:dfavro[/url]":1sktwrmu][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863577#p29863577:1sktwrmu said:Joriarty[/url]":1sktwrmu][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863489#p29863489:1sktwrmu said:SpectrumCyclist[/url]":1sktwrmu]In other words, compared to Apple Watch, it's pretty lousy.
Nope. In comparison to the Apple Watch, I'd say: better form, poorer function. It's neither better nor worse – just different. Funny... usually Apple's products are the ones that sacrifice form over function.
This isn't really true. Apple, with rare exceptions*, doesn't tend to compromise function. What they do tend to do is aggressively simplify**: if a function can't be made to work reasonably well, it's cut. The products tend to do what they do very well.
* The QuickTime 4 Player's jog dial control, the round iMac mouse, the TAM
** To the point where the product is very single-purpose and suffers limited expandability, but the product tends to work well right now, right out of the gate. Apple does "limited features", but not "half-baked".
Huawei Watch vs. the new Moto 360: A detailed real-world comparison:
I think my experience with the Huawei Watch and the new Moto 360 can best be summed up by this: When I look at the two watches sitting on my counter every morning, the Huawei is always the one I want to reach for.
Why? Simple: After alternating between the devices for the past week, it's become abundantly clear that Huawei made the more balanced and pleasant-to-use all-around product.
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The Huawei Watch delivers the superior overall user experience -- and with a price starting at only 50 bucks above Motorola's baseline offering, it's an easy recommendation to make. For most people, it's going to provide the best balance of form and function available on Android Wear today.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863679#p29863679:2lmy149o said:neodorian[/url]":2lmy149o][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863627#p29863627:2lmy149o said:dfavro[/url]":2lmy149o][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863577#p29863577:2lmy149o said:Joriarty[/url]":2lmy149o][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863489#p29863489:2lmy149o said:SpectrumCyclist[/url]":2lmy149o]In other words, compared to Apple Watch, it's pretty lousy.
Nope. In comparison to the Apple Watch, I'd say: better form, poorer function. It's neither better nor worse – just different. Funny... usually Apple's products are the ones that sacrifice form over function.
This isn't really true. Apple, with rare exceptions*, doesn't tend to compromise function. What they do tend to do is aggressively simplify**: if a function can't be made to work reasonably well, it's cut. The products tend to do what they do very well.
* The QuickTime 4 Player's jog dial control, the round iMac mouse, the TAM
** To the point where the product is very single-purpose and suffers limited expandability, but the product tends to work well right now, right out of the gate. Apple does "limited features", but not "half-baked".
Eh, limited features, lack of function, potato, potahto. Apple's done a great job at only including the features it can currently provide in a pleasing manner and there's definitely an argument to be made for their approach. It's obviously been successful for them. But that's sort of another way to say form over function. Nobody's arguing that Apple's stuff isn't functional. They just don't include a feature until they can make it look nice. "Functions" aren't included until they can match the "form" they're shooting for.
I think using an Android Wear device with iOS as your primary phone will always be a bit disappointing due to the expected limitations of Google stuff running on iOS. It's nice that Wear managed some basic compatibility since it doesn't work the other way but if my primary phone wasn't running Android, I wouldn't have purchased my Moto 360 (even at $150 versus $350 for the most affordable Apple watch.)
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863637#p29863637:1pqp7kzz said:Ooks[/url]":1pqp7kzz]Can we talk aesthetics and form factor just for a minute? I get that this is a decent looking entry into the smartwatch 'verse, but I really don't like the way the tech in this field is thus far conforming to constraints based originally on mechanical movements.
In your chart, the two Moto 360's are listed at 216 and 271. I'm guessing a typo?Our Huawei Watch lasted 325 minutes on the test, which is just slightly longer than the Moto 360's 294 minutes.
As with the Moto 360, there could easily be a newer, better model of this watch in six months. This is true of all tech, but Android Wear updates often add hardware-dependent features that older watches can't support.
I personally think the Pebble Watch is the best idea of a smartwatch nowadays. Cheap. Lasts long. It has a bit of that Casio watch look (especially the Steel version), which has gone back in fashion a bit (regardless of the press' obsession with luxury timepieces: smartwatches are bound to be most popular with a younger crowd, who would generally feel uneasy with an expensive-looking watch on their wrist). If only Pebble found a way to integrate notifications better... and maybe gain voice recognition capabilities.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863857#p29863857:3ffhniws said:hestermofet[/url]":3ffhniws]As with the Moto 360, there could easily be a newer, better model of this watch in six months. This is true of all tech, but Android Wear updates often add hardware-dependent features that older watches can't support.
I've been scratching my head trying to come up with a single example of a new feature introduced into Android Wear that obsoleted a watch because it lacked the hardware. WiFi I guess? Maybe the original 360 doesn't have WiFi but all the other first gen watches do as far as I can recall. I definitely wouldn't say this happens "often".
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863857#p29863857:14jdbprs said:hestermofet[/url]":14jdbprs]As with the Moto 360, there could easily be a newer, better model of this watch in six months. This is true of all tech, but Android Wear updates often add hardware-dependent features that older watches can't support.
I've been scratching my head trying to come up with a single example of a new feature introduced into Android Wear that obsoleted a watch because it lacked the hardware. WiFi I guess? Maybe the original 360 doesn't have WiFi but all the other first gen watches do as far as I can recall. I definitely wouldn't say this happens "often".
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863817#p29863817:3ocl1pr5 said:Adriano Petrosillo[/url]":3ocl1pr5]So many times I've read cocky remarks by, say, Ron Amadeo, the entire Verge staff, etc. Tech reviewers often think they're more insightful and cleverer than the people making the stuff. They aren't, or they would be actually making the stuff).
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863929#p29863929:2t0l3fqz said:Adriano Petrosillo[/url]":2t0l3fqz]
I personally think the Pebble Watch is the best idea of a smartwatch nowadays. Cheap. Lasts long. It has a bit of that Casio watch look (especially the Steel version), which has gone back in fashion a bit (regardless of the press' obsession with luxury timepieces: smartwatches are bound to be most popular with a younger crowd, who would generally feel uneasy with an expensive-looking watch on their wrist). If only Pebble found a way to integrate notifications better... and maybe gain voice recognition capabilities.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863939#p29863939:3b8xun3l said:melgross[/url]":3b8xun3l]
I really haven't seen any AndroidWear watch that looks more than ok. Whether people here love or hate the Apple Watch, at least Apple put a lot of work into the design. I don't really see that with AndroidWear watches so far.
You do realize there is a difference between being able to choose the 'skin' (like on the watch), and being forced to only use the manufacturer's choice of skin because it's baked into the OS (like on a phone).[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863817#p29863817:1k7sawg1 said:Adriano Petrosillo[/url]":1k7sawg1]The tech world is certainly schizophrenic. Nobody really knows what they want. Skins on Android? Bad. Uniformity on Android Watch? Meh. (Now you start to get why manufacturers want skins, don't you? So many times I've read cocky remarks by, say, Ron Amadeo, the entire Verge staff, etc. Tech reviewers often think they're more insightful and cleverer than the people making the stuff. They aren't, or they would be actually making the stuff).
Competition is fine. Just don't expect folks to migrate to a new competing platform when it provides nothing of worth versus what they're currently using.Oh, and what about manufacturers trying to come out with competing platforms (such as Samsung and its Tizen watches)? They're no good! What about the ecosystem? Why does Samsung even try? (That's the general sentiment, isn't it?). You see, you're dammed either way.
It doesn't have to be a product everyone owns. It's a product some people want and are willing to pay for, so companies are making it. How mainstream is mainstream? I've seen them around in public. To be honest if it wasn't for the price I don't see any reason they wouldn't be a lot more popular.The truth is that, for the moment being, smartwatches are basically tech previews, it will take at least a few years (if ever) before they become truly desirable and useful for the mainstream. I think nobody has really figured out the smartwatch,
You don't 'need' a smartphone, either. You don't 'need' a lot of things. People still purchase and enjoy things they don't need.if we do actually need one.
It's aesthetics. Some like round, some like rectangular. Unless you're going cellphone-sized screen strapped to your arm, it's going to look an awful lot like a watch due to the fact that watches are very common and by-and-large the main thing people wear on their wrists.Even just the debate, should it be round like ordinary watches (but isn't that skeuomorphism? Isn't a fake analog watch tacky?), should it be square or rectangular since it is really an LCD display on your wrist
What?(haha, an LCD display on your wrist, where do you think you are, on the Enterprise?! Hide the
nature of the damn thing, for crying out loud!)... this shows that it is really unexplored territory, and in general I wouldn't mind a bit more humility from both the press and commentators.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863789#p29863789:19opbt0l said:RockDaMan[/url]":19opbt0l]
Eschewing those mechanical movement based looks, many Apple Watch aficionados have taken to the utility face for its added information density, especially now that third party complications are becoming available for it. I'm sure there are some similar for Android Wear.
Exactly. I get that reviewers gotta review. Very well. Stick to that. When they venture into pundit territory, though, things get nasty. Because that requires a profound (inside?) knowledge of the industry, of how things work, of the reasoning behind certain choices. For example the hatred of Samsung's back key positioning fails to understand that a) that's the way Asians roll, historically, and b) the positioning isn't set in stone and there's no reason whatsoever to do so. Reviewers complain about these things because they switch devices very often. Samsung phone owners don't.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863963#p29863963:20o05lt2 said:RockDaMan[/url]":20o05lt2][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863817#p29863817:20o05lt2 said:Adriano Petrosillo[/url]":20o05lt2]So many times I've read cocky remarks by, say, Ron Amadeo, the entire Verge staff, etc. Tech reviewers often think they're more insightful and cleverer than the people making the stuff. They aren't, or they would be actually making the stuff).
Yes, because going from writing to being a electrico-mechanical engineer is sooooo easy.
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The sentence ideally ends with "...it would be perfect". Besides, functionality-wise, the fact that it can last up to a week is a definite pro. And I did say so.The only thing you have to say about the function of this device...is negative.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29864051#p29864051:1ub8ii7j said:Adriano Petrosillo[/url]":1ub8ii7j]
the hatred of Samsung's back key positioning fails to understand that a) that's the way Asians roll, historically
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863627#p29863627:33sb15sq said:dfavro[/url]":33sb15sq][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863577#p29863577:33sb15sq said:Joriarty[/url]":33sb15sq][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863489#p29863489:33sb15sq said:SpectrumCyclist[/url]":33sb15sq]In other words, compared to Apple Watch, it's pretty lousy.
Nope. In comparison to the Apple Watch, I'd say: better form, poorer function. It's neither better nor worse – just different. Funny... usually Apple's products are the ones that sacrifice form over function.
This isn't really true. Apple, with rare exceptions*, doesn't tend to compromise function. What they do tend to do is aggressively simplify**: if a function can't be made to work reasonably well, it's cut. The products tend to do what they do very well.
* The QuickTime 4 Player's jog dial control, the round iMac mouse, the TAM
** To the point where the product is very single-purpose and suffers limited expandability, but the product tends to work well right now, right out of the gate. Apple does "limited features", but not "half-baked".
1. You can't choose the skin on a watch. That's the point. Android Wear dictates uniformity (if I'm not mistaken, it's mostly closed source, so there is little you can do about it). You can only switch watch faces. Which is, I suppose, a minimum requirement.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29864019#p29864019:mm6jljsb said:weblionx[/url]":mm6jljsb]You do realize there is a difference between being able to choose the 'skin' (like on the watch), and being forced to only use the manufacturer's choice of skin because it's baked into the OS (like on a phone).[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29863817#p29863817:mm6jljsb said:Adriano Petrosillo[/url]":mm6jljsb]The tech world is certainly schizophrenic. Nobody really knows what they want. Skins on Android? Bad. Uniformity on Android Watch? Meh. (Now you start to get why manufacturers want skins, don't you? So many times I've read cocky remarks by, say, Ron Amadeo, the entire Verge staff, etc. Tech reviewers often think they're more insightful and cleverer than the people making the stuff. They aren't, or they would be actually making the stuff).
Competition is fine. Just don't expect folks to migrate to a new competing platform when it provides nothing of worth versus what they're currently using.Oh, and what about manufacturers trying to come out with competing platforms (such as Samsung and its Tizen watches)? They're no good! What about the ecosystem? Why does Samsung even try? (That's the general sentiment, isn't it?). You see, you're dammed either way.
It doesn't have to be a product everyone owns. It's a product some people want and are willing to pay for, so companies are making it. How mainstream is mainstream? I've seen them around in public. To be honest if it wasn't for the price I don't see any reason they wouldn't be a lot more popular.The truth is that, for the moment being, smartwatches are basically tech previews, it will take at least a few years (if ever) before they become truly desirable and useful for the mainstream. I think nobody has really figured out the smartwatch,
You don't 'need' a smartphone, either. You don't 'need' a lot of things. People still purchase and enjoy things they don't need.if we do actually need one.
It's aesthetics. Some like round, some like rectangular. Unless you're going cellphone-sized screen strapped to your arm, it's going to look an awful lot like a watch due to the fact that watches are very common and by-and-large the main thing people wear on their wrists.Even just the debate, should it be round like ordinary watches (but isn't that skeuomorphism? Isn't a fake analog watch tacky?), should it be square or rectangular since it is really an LCD display on your wrist
What?(haha, an LCD display on your wrist, where do you think you are, on the Enterprise?! Hide the
nature of the damn thing, for crying out loud!)... this shows that it is really unexplored territory, and in general I wouldn't mind a bit more humility from both the press and commentators.
Even on PlayStations, I seem to remember that many Asian games assumed "OK" with a circle button press and "Cancel" with an X button press. Or something like that, which was the other way round compared to Western games anyway.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29864109#p29864109:1trz2fpq said:RockDaMan[/url]":1trz2fpq][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29864051#p29864051:1trz2fpq said:Adriano Petrosillo[/url]":1trz2fpq]
the hatred of Samsung's back key positioning fails to understand that a) that's the way Asians roll, historically
Whaaaaat?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29864177#p29864177:1gk6e7yk said:solomonrex[/url]":1gk6e7yk] Jobs is not spinning, but he might be Shwarma style rotating