aix":2dcuot8u said:@fsck! / shomann:
I just got my MBP, this past Friday. I really don't have anything to save or backup. If I create this bootable USB flash, how do I do a clean install?
Thanks in advance
fsck!":ufooq07s said:Dietlama":ufooq07s said:Mad Hacker":ufooq07s said:Trying to burn to a single layer DVD which has 4,707,319,808 bytes available and the .dmg image uses 4,348,218,934 bytes yet Disk Utility insists "The disc inserted does not have enough free space." I've tried a few different brand new DVD-R discs. I guess I'll have to burn to a dual-layer disc but that seems overkill.
Anyone else seeing this issue when trying to burn to a DVD-R?
I am running into the same issue.
Did you try mounting the dmg first to see its size decompressed? chances are the dmg is compressed and when decompressed, it is larger than 4.7GB
ThomasB.":19wkefh0 said:It would save quite a bit of time during installation to use the method outlined here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1401529
The straigt-forward copied InstallESD will first copy all packages to your internal HD, before starting installation. Doing so adds about 10-20 minutes to your installations.
necrosis":5qlco989 said:Followed the instructions and no luck.
The drive shows up when I option boot but after selecting that drive around 5 seconds later the apple logo turns into a "do not enter" (circle with a line through it) logo.
Also mounting the DMG before writing it to the flash drive did NOT get rid of the error at the end of restoring to the flash drive. At least not for me.
fsck!":1bkzxku6 said:Dietlama":1bkzxku6 said:Mad Hacker":1bkzxku6 said:Trying to burn to a single layer DVD which has 4,707,319,808 bytes available and the .dmg image uses 4,348,218,934 bytes yet Disk Utility insists "The disc inserted does not have enough free space." I've tried a few different brand new DVD-R discs. I guess I'll have to burn to a dual-layer disc but that seems overkill.
Anyone else seeing this issue when trying to burn to a DVD-R?
I am running into the same issue.
Did you try mounting the dmg first to see its size decompressed? chances are the dmg is compressed and when decompressed, it is larger than 4.7GB
Mad Hacker":2wxge5a6 said:fsck!":2wxge5a6 said:Dietlama":2wxge5a6 said:Mad Hacker":2wxge5a6 said:Trying to burn to a single layer DVD which has 4,707,319,808 bytes available and the .dmg image uses 4,348,218,934 bytes yet Disk Utility insists "The disc inserted does not have enough free space." I've tried a few different brand new DVD-R discs. I guess I'll have to burn to a dual-layer disc but that seems overkill.
Anyone else seeing this issue when trying to burn to a DVD-R?
I am running into the same issue.
Did you try mounting the dmg first to see its size decompressed? chances are the dmg is compressed and when decompressed, it is larger than 4.7GB
Yep. Mounted it appeared to be the same size so I don't think it's compressed (or the compression didn't gain much.)
$ hdiutil imageinfo "/Applications/Install OS X Mountain Lion.app/Contents/SharedSupport/InstallESD.dmg"
Format Description: UDIF read-only compressed (zlib)
Class Name: CUDIFDiskImage
Checksum Type: CRC32
Size Information:
Compressed Ratio: 0.98869885061768925
Total Empty Bytes: 372972544
Sector Count: 9286972
Total Bytes: 4754929664
CUDIFEncoding-bytes-wasted: 0
Total Non-Empty Bytes: 4381957120
CUDIFEncoding-bytes-in-use: 4332436200
Compressed Bytes: 4332436200
CUDIFEncoding-bytes-total: 4332436200
richard2":23472uzg said:Mad Hacker":23472uzg said:fsck!":23472uzg said:Dietlama":23472uzg said:Mad Hacker":23472uzg said:Trying to burn to a single layer DVD which has 4,707,319,808 bytes available and the .dmg image uses 4,348,218,934 bytes yet Disk Utility insists "The disc inserted does not have enough free space." I've tried a few different brand new DVD-R discs. I guess I'll have to burn to a dual-layer disc but that seems overkill.
Anyone else seeing this issue when trying to burn to a DVD-R?
I am running into the same issue.
Did you try mounting the dmg first to see its size decompressed? chances are the dmg is compressed and when decompressed, it is larger than 4.7GB
Yep. Mounted it appeared to be the same size so I don't think it's compressed (or the compression didn't gain much.)
Code:$ hdiutil imageinfo "/Applications/Install OS X Mountain Lion.app/Contents/SharedSupport/InstallESD.dmg" Format Description: UDIF read-only compressed (zlib) Class Name: CUDIFDiskImage Checksum Type: CRC32 Size Information: Compressed Ratio: 0.98869885061768925 Total Empty Bytes: 372972544 Sector Count: 9286972 Total Bytes: 4754929664 CUDIFEncoding-bytes-wasted: 0 Total Non-Empty Bytes: 4381957120 CUDIFEncoding-bytes-in-use: 4332436200 Compressed Bytes: 4332436200 CUDIFEncoding-bytes-total: 4332436200
According to hdiutil, the image is compressed, and its decompressed size is 4.43 GiB, which exceeds the maximum capacity of a single-layer DVD (4.38 GiB). The image must therefore be written to a dual-layer DVD or a USB Flash drive.
aix":23ghn32n said:@fsck! - Thanks for the reply. Will this clean install, also create a recovery partition?
Totally new to MAC OS, so Ia ma trying to catch up.
Thanks again,
James
As noted in the comments, however, mounting the InstallESD.dmg file before performing the restore process avoids triggering the error message.
fsck!":1knjv8ak said:aix":1knjv8ak said:@fsck! - Thanks for the reply. Will this clean install, also create a recovery partition?
Totally new to MAC OS, so Ia ma trying to catch up.
Thanks again,
James
Yes, at least it will attempt. If your system has Lion and a recovery partition already in it, the ML installation will attempt to update the existing recovery parition to ML. So long as it is a GUID partition and the size is right, it should have no problems doing that. Your other option is to completely delete the partitions from the drive before installing ML via diskutil (you should have access to diskutil when you boot off of the ML disk) such that the installer does everything from scratch.
shomann":1wckvor3 said:I do these installs because I don't trust that all the fluff from my previous install is removed by the installer. When I upgrade to 10.8 from 10.7, I will backup, perform this USB restore disk function, COMPLETELY erase my MBA, and start from scratch.
Clean is good.
Spalding":3ueglf0y said:necrosis":3ueglf0y said:There is zero way really.Spalding":3ueglf0y said:So... anybody found a way to install on older hardware? I got a Mac Pro 1,1 and I can't believe it can't handle Mountain Lion...
The problem is your video chipset. The maker of said chipset never released x64 drivers for it. ML *requires* x64 kernel extensions. Unlike SL and Lion which could take x32 and x64 extensions.
Ah. What if I have updated the video card from stock? I replaced the stock GeForce 7300 with a Radeon 5770. Any way to make it work? Thanks...
Jubijub":3t8oag3a said:shomann":3t8oag3a said:I do these installs because I don't trust that all the fluff from my previous install is removed by the installer. When I upgrade to 10.8 from 10.7, I will backup, perform this USB restore disk function, COMPLETELY erase my MBA, and start from scratch.
Clean is good.
+1 here
I do a bit of dev, and I find it much cleaner to start from scratch rather to debug python libraries, path, etc...
I always find my system much snappier in the end, and I also ensure it resets my prefs to sensible defaults for the new version.
I have to admit that compared to my old days on windows, osX doesn't self-bloat as older windows would
Philotech":3p151byw said:I have read that thread and I'm still not sure what's the main advantage. Is it really that the simple .dmg burnt in accordance with the ars technica how-to still downloads most of the content of itself, that parts that actually make up ML, from the internet again?
Other than that, I understand that the macrumors version does not create a recovery partition, so there are reasons not to go that way.
defaults write /Library/Preferences/com.apple.SoftwareUpdate CatalogURL http://localhost:8088/index.sucatalog
Jason T. Miller":1ghosuwi said:Philotech":1ghosuwi said:I have read that thread and I'm still not sure what's the main advantage. Is it really that the simple .dmg burnt in accordance with the ars technica how-to still downloads most of the content of itself, that parts that actually make up ML, from the internet again?
Other than that, I understand that the macrumors version does not create a recovery partition, so there are reasons not to go that way.
Even in cases where you don't care about the recovery partition, or are willing and able to hack into place later, I wouldn't recommend the "shortcut" method, for the simple reason that it's not supported, and, therefore, Apple is free to break it at any time by doing additional mandatory stuff during "stage 1" of the install process (assuming, of course, that it's not already broken in subtle ways already). By comparison, the InstallESD.dmg mechanism is used by both the Mac App Store and NetInstall (c.f. the contents of a Lion/ML NetInstall.dmg with the MAS InstallESD.dmg), so Apple can't inadvertently bork it without also breaking the ordinary installation processes. And the InstallESD process, in spite of the fact that it's never appeared in "official" documentation, has even been recommended to enterprise customers by Apple.
Per Internet transfers: I've installed Lion, most of the ML DP releases, and ML GM from both USB sticks and hard drive partitions, all imaged from InstallESD, with no Internet connection at all. If you watch the logs during the "stage 1" installer process, there is a point where it looks for updates, and OS X "combo" updaters are typically 1GB+, so I can understand the confusion. If you must (?) have an Internet connection active during the install, you can minimize update size by using the ESD image from the latest "point release" application bundle to install. Finally, I suspect a more supportable hack to avoid Internet updates would be to apply the equivalent of
Code:defaults write /Library/Preferences/com.apple.SoftwareUpdate CatalogURL http://localhost:8088/index.sucatalog
to the install image, possibly replacing "localhost" with the hostname of an actual local Software Update server if you happen to have one.
Rather than use a USB stick, my usual practice is to create a small partition on my FireWire backup RAID, restore the installer image to this partition, then use the (poorly-documented) "gpt" command-line tool to set its GPT partition type to Apple_Boot (GUID 426F6F74-0000-11AA-AA11-00306543ECAC) so it's bootable and mountable as an HFS+ volume in OS X, but not mounted (or even visible in Disk Utility) by default.
fsck!":21vgtutg said:I feel the same way. I keep my Mac in top notch working condition. I run maintenance scripts on a regular basis, run Onyx and AppCleaner regularly as well. Even at that, I think a clean install is your best bet. If you find something doesn't work quite right after upgrading, you'd be beating your head against the wall not knowing if it is a bug or the result of a leftover from the previous OS and chances are you will wind up wiping and installing again.
Entegy":16uo23kj said:It's been asked. They don't care, everything is over the Internet now and screw you if you can't download it (but please come to an Apple Store even if the closest one is an hour's drive).ror":16uo23kj said:Why doesn't Apple just integrate this ability into the upgrade/installation experience?
I really wish the upgrader offered the ability for the user to plug in a USB stick and make a backup installer, but Apple doesn't seem to realize not everyone has broadband or a bandwidth limit that makes downloading 4.34GB in a pinch viable.
Important warning: the OS X installer will delete the necessary file needed to make your own install disk once it runs. Therefore, you need to either make a copy of the installer outside of the Applications folder or make your install disk before upgrading.
sanity_assassin":2k7buo2k said:Some folks might have a slight problem when trying to restore from the dmg–it sometimes fails towards the end. I found that just mounting the InstallESD.dmg and using that as the source will be fine.
I'm several months late, but I can confirm that you can indeed do what you're asking. I split out 8 GB from my 16 GB flash drive to set up a 10.8 boot / install partition, with the other half dedicated to personal files.AMCarter3":2u9bdi8b said:Can anyone tell me if it is possible to put the Mtn Lion install DMG file in one partition on a Flash Drive and put DiskWarrior's install file in another partition on the same Flash drive?
necrosis":16psf8zk said:App Store is the only way.iamaelephant":16psf8zk said:Is there some way I can purchase and download this without going through the app store? I want to download it on my Windows PC at work and take it home on a flash drive.