Homeopaths sell injections containing strychnine, lead, mercury. Seriously
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In those concentrations, all the lead is likely to do is knock of a few IQ points, which would impair judgement, leading to them taking more of this shit. So it's actually good for repeat custom.
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I think it's so interesting how people deal with medicine in the US.
It's understandable when people are a bit skeptical of the US pharmaceutical industry..it's a behemoth, after all. The exact same people, though, don't aim that same skepticism at alternative medicine. I have heard people say (and I'm barely paraphrasing), "I wasn't convinced that I need my blood pressure medicine, so I stopped taking in. My neighbor said I should just boil cat urine and rub it on my ears instead, so I've been doing that."
It's understandable when people are a bit skeptical of the US pharmaceutical industry..it's a behemoth, after all. The exact same people, though, don't aim that same skepticism at alternative medicine. I have heard people say (and I'm barely paraphrasing), "I wasn't convinced that I need my blood pressure medicine, so I stopped taking in. My neighbor said I should just boil cat urine and rub it on my ears instead, so I've been doing that."
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OrangeCream
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White collar crime isn't a felony.
I read an interesting story about how crime is defined; essentially wage theft, where an employer steals money from the employee, is not a crime and not punished as such (though you are expected to pay the employee and maybe pay fines).
On the flip side, stealing a purse from a store is a crime, as is stealing a car or stealing expensive electronics worth over $4k. Make sense so far?
Wage theft apparently outnumbers auto theft $4 to $1, but stealing a car will lead you to prison. Stealing hundreds of thousands of wages, however, leads to almost no penalties per dollar.
Likewise stealing a purse can land you in prison, too, but stealing $1000 in wages lands you just about no penalty. Repeat shoplifting can be charged as a felony, $1000 fine, and 6 months in jail depending on the state.
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I would suggest the people that are interested in this pursue it. It will help the rest of us in the long run. /s
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Except they aren’t drugs! They are unregulated substances, at best and poisons at worst.
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I built up my tolerance to iocane powder rat poison, lead and mercury.
Wait. It doesn't work that way? Fuck.
Wait. It doesn't work that way? Fuck.
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It’s not illegal to offer a placebo, as long as you don’t withhold a better treatment, the placebo is not itself harmful (no lead-containing tinctures, for instance) and you don’t deceive the patient about it. Perfectly legal for a doctor to say, “since you’ve refused the pain meds I suggested, why not try this sugar pill. Some of my patients get pain relief from it.”
Keep in mind, lots of accepted interventions could be considered placebos, depending on your exact definition of placebo. “Some of my patients get pain relief from a massage” comes to mind. Depending on the source of pain, a massage might do nothing for the actual pain source, but massages are often generally pain reducing.
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You may be right about wage theft in particular (I don’t know either way), but there certainly exist white collar crimes that are felonies. Just ask Bernie Madoff.
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OrangeCream
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Okay, lying to the SEC and stealing billions of dollars is a little different than stealing a couple hundred dollars from an employee, and as such I would expect the crime and punishment to be proportional.
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You've got it backwards. Frozen 2 is a joke (?) about homeopathy.
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Screw that. Send them to prison. Those in charge caused harm, knowingly or not, and if anyone was to come up with these injections on their own and apply them to children, they would not only face a lawsuit immediately, they'd probably end up going to prison real fast. The fact that it was produced by a corporation and sold as a product doesn't change the overall ethics of the situation here - if anything, it makes it more malicious.
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This. Homeopathy keeps making claims of medical efficacy that are anecdotal at best and scientifically unfounded at all times.
Why the fuck isn't this shit illegal? There should be at least a minimum bar to clear that what you sell can't possibly cause any harm at all even if abused.
That'd reduce everything on the homeopathic market to "water", which can kill you if you drink too much of it. (Dihydrogen monoxide is found in every poison and even in nuclear waste, don'tcha know? /snark)
But the way the homeopathic industry is "regulated" puts it on the same level of "put it out there and if too many people drop dead from using it, we'll slap you on the wrist with a chick feather" category. Zero risk, huge rewards.
If you want huge rewards, there should be huge risk in marketing things that claim to have an unproven medical benefit.
So, indications, contraindications, adverse reactions, side-effects and cautions should be part of every homeopathic remedy, backed up by independently paid testing (like fees paid to the FDA to conduct the tests on the behalf of companies wanting to market things). If the FDA fucks up, prison for all involved.
It's time we put a plug in the faucet of homeopathic bullshit and cracked down on snake oil. PROVE the safety of your stuff, or you can't do it. If people want to pay a lot of money for the placebo effect, that's their call, as long as it doesn't kill them.
I think that's a pretty fucking low bar to have to clear.
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If injecting heavy metals directly into your bloodstream turned you into Colossus instead of making you sick or dead, I wouldn't have an issue with it.Yeah you don't want to wind up like this guy
It also makes you dim witted, so theres that
As a bonus the “dim-witted” ability stacks!
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It is a two step process. The marketing of homeopathy uses pseudoscience, whilst the sale of it is a scam.
Problem is that there is plenty of other instances of pseudoscience / anti-science that is given a free pass. If there is money to be made and the scammers give enough campaign funds then it is given a no taxes paid free pass. Religion just an older cult with better lobbyists.
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What the fuck? Why aren't there doors being kicked in and people hauled off to goddamn jail?
Warned? Warned?
"Gee, we really think you should stop poisoning people, sometime in the next two weeks. Or thereabouts. Take your time. Gotta let your customers stock up."
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You have a very good point!
Along with (not instead of...) cracking down on homeopathy, how about some real action to clean up our cities' water supplies?
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The ironic thing is that vaccines are, in a way, "watered down" virus. So these idiots reject the one actual case where "like cures like" applies and inject themselves with toxic metals instead. Go figure.
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Abhi Beckert
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Because they're rich and white?
They are innocent until proven guilty. They will hopefully be forced to defend themselves in front of a judge, but nobody should be arrested just because they sold something that didn't contain what it was intended to contain. That sort of stuff happens all the time especially in a world where all of the stuff you're selling was made on the other side of the world.
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This is ridiculous, any product that makes medical claims should be regulated as a drug, hard stop.
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Certainly "pseudoscience" is neither hyperbolic nor inflammatory. Homeopathy is not science, because it is not data driven, but it puts on a pretense of being science based, so pseudoscience is a very accurate and neutral descriptor. And a very kindly one.
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Bring on the leeches, the sheep blood transfusions, the drinking of detergents - the Darwin Awards Need You!
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Homeopathy: the only scam where if they had tried to give you less of what they claimed on the tin, you'd be thankful for that.
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Wow! I'm surprised homeopaths are such die-hard fans of proto-punk.
The Sonics - Strychnine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g68n8EM8I4I
I hope I'm not the only one that thought of that song after reading this.
The Sonics - Strychnine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g68n8EM8I4I
I hope I'm not the only one that thought of that song after reading this.
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"Absurd" is also defined as "wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate." so it's not really inaccurate either. Reasonable and logical claim would be backed by reason and logic, both of which requires measurable and substantiated proof of the said claim.
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This shit is odious. I'm tired of seeing people sell poison and hide behind 'beliefs.' They need to be thrown in jail and fined to the maximum extent possible.
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Simple solution to "harmless medicines."
Make those selling said remedies test them first - buy self administering them for a few years to prove it.
(That would still be faster than worming through actual scientific testing and FDA approval, what would they have to complain about?)
Make those selling said remedies test them first - buy self administering them for a few years to prove it.
(That would still be faster than worming through actual scientific testing and FDA approval, what would they have to complain about?)
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