Ars got a chance to check out some of Sony's biggest upcoming games. And while the PSP was nowhere to be seen, the list of games on display was still impressive.<BR><BR><a href='http://meincmagazine.com/gaming/news/2009/10/hands-on-sonys-early-2010-game-lineup-impresses.ars'>Read the whole story</a>
Hands on: Sony's early-2010 game lineup impresses
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Everything that I've seen of Heavy Rain has been impressive. Especially the story and motivation of the protagonist. As a father myself, that speaks to me. The killer graphics are just icing on the cake. <BR><BR>You could measure my nerd lust for MGS4, FF 12 or whatever, and more of the Sony exclusives in micro-give-a-shits. But Heavy Rain...me wants. Props to Sony for securing it.
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That is a good thing. Sony should stop trying to make "PS3 does everything" to "PS3 does games and some." I am a new PS3 owner and I have not found anything compelling to play on this platform yet. I am actually looking forward Uncharted 2 (but I think I will be disliking on the no roaming aspect of game), valkyria chronicles, and God of War HD editions (yes, never played this series). I like what Sony is trying to do now days. In my opinion, Sony is at least doing two-steps-forward one-step-back trot now days than previous forgettable jaded attempts to sell PS3 with the "you follow my lead" attitude.
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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PseudonymAnon:<br>That is a good thing. Sony should stop trying to make "PS3 does everything" to "PS3 does games and some." I am a new PS3 owner and I have not found anything compelling to play on this platform yet. </div>
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<br>The things is, we really need a multimedia box that does everything, and the PS3 gets closer than most. I think the way they've been marketing this approach leaves a lot to be desired, but the intent is spot on.<br><br>Give me a single machine that does games, movies, music, DVR functionality, email and web functionality out of the box and I'm set.<br><br>And you can't find compelling content for the PS3? You're kidding right? Perhaps you're pickier than I am. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --
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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PseudonymAnon:<br>That is a good thing. Sony should stop trying to make "PS3 does everything" to "PS3 does games and some." I am a new PS3 owner and I have not found anything compelling to play on this platform yet. </div>
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<br>The things is, we really need a multimedia box that does everything, and the PS3 gets closer than most. I think the way they've been marketing this approach leaves a lot to be desired, but the intent is spot on.<br><br>Give me a single machine that does games, movies, music, DVR functionality, email and web functionality out of the box and I'm set.<br><br>And you can't find compelling content for the PS3? You're kidding right? Perhaps you're pickier than I am. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and I have not found anything compelling to play on this platform yet </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>oh get stuffed. Seriously. Yes we know all cool games are multiplatform. So neither the 360 nor the PS3 has really anything compelling to play(exclusively) Get over it. (Not really true some of the games I enjoyed most this gen were on PS3, Ratchet and Uncharted, although great multiplatform games outnumber them of course CoD4, AC, GTA4 ...) <BR><BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sony is at least doing two-steps-forward one-step-back trot now days than previous forgettable jaded attempts to sell PS3 with the "you follow my lead" attitude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Oh come on. Yes they are now focussing on games. Because now they have some. Developing great games for a new platform takes a couple of years. And apparently they didn't put enough effort into getting great games out early. I still remember the first year where I mostly played some PSN games because I was stupid enough to buy the PS3 early.<BR>Which was pretty stupid, Microsoft had a year headstart ( and an equally shitty lineup in its first year) And Nintendo managed to put out all big hitters early because they essentially shipped the same hardware with new controls.<BR><BR>So Sony screwed up when it came to games. They didn't get third-parties to develop enough in the beginning first-party couldn't fill the whole. I mean come on GT5 and God of War 3 in 2010? They could have for example killed God of War 2. <BR><BR>Now that everybody has written their Ps3 engines and tools and many studios are already making sequels this is different. And they can focus on their pretty awesome game lineup of the next 6 months. Which is great. I do not know what any jaded attempts at selling the console have to do with it. A switch in strategy didn't change anything. The games of today are here because of a decision multiple years ago.
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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PseudonymAnon:<br>That is a good thing. Sony should stop trying to make "PS3 does everything" to "PS3 does games and some." I am a new PS3 owner and I have not found anything compelling to play on this platform yet. </div>
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<br>The things is, we really need a multimedia box that does everything, and the PS3 gets closer than most. I think the way they've been marketing this approach leaves a lot to be desired, but the intent is spot on.<br><br>Give me a single machine that does games, movies, music, DVR functionality, email and web functionality out of the box and I'm set.<br><br>And you can't find compelling content for the PS3? You're kidding right? Perhaps you're pickier than I am. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif -- </div>
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<br>Call me old school, but I don't like all-in-one box approach. This is not exactly first time this concept came up (yes, I am old enough to see this trend repeating in different forms for more than half dozen times). One thing convinced me is that the all-in-one box is not my thing. I like keep things simple and distributes roles and responsibilities to all my electronic devices. Sure I do have some of those all-in-one solutions, but I found them normally useless and unnecessarily complicated in many instances. <br><br>I had PSone at one point then didn't bother with console gaming (i.e. skipped the whole PS2) until xbox and 360. I found most of Japanese games unappealing and silly. It's almost like Japanimation (90% crap, 6% decent, and 4% exceptionally disturbing and good imo). I saw my friend playing GOW and I always wanted, but didn't have time to play. I could never get into GT series b/c all the AI run around exact driving path regardless what you do to the AI car. I am not a big fan of final fantasy. I am not a big fan of MGS although i played at least two version of them. So yes, I don't have a lot of compelling games I like on PS3. I have it for the exclusive and BD movie watching. Cross-platform, I buy them on 360. But I do plan to get the games I mentioned. <br><br>Sony as a company has to do a lot more than what it has been doing in order to gain my trust again. I think Microsoft is lesser of all the evils.
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<br>The things is, we really need a multimedia box that does everything, and the PS3 gets closer than most. I think the way they've been marketing this approach leaves a lot to be desired, but the intent is spot on.<br><br>Give me a single machine that does games, movies, music, DVR functionality, email and web functionality out of the box and I'm set.<br><br>And you can't find compelling content for the PS3? You're kidding right? Perhaps you're pickier than I am. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif -- </div>
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<br>Call me old school, but I don't like all-in-one box approach. This is not exactly first time this concept came up (yes, I am old enough to see this trend repeating in different forms for more than half dozen times). One thing convinced me is that the all-in-one box is not my thing. I like keep things simple and distributes roles and responsibilities to all my electronic devices. Sure I do have some of those all-in-one solutions, but I found them normally useless and unnecessarily complicated in many instances. <br><br>I had PSone at one point then didn't bother with console gaming (i.e. skipped the whole PS2) until xbox and 360. I found most of Japanese games unappealing and silly. It's almost like Japanimation (90% crap, 6% decent, and 4% exceptionally disturbing and good imo). I saw my friend playing GOW and I always wanted, but didn't have time to play. I could never get into GT series b/c all the AI run around exact driving path regardless what you do to the AI car. I am not a big fan of final fantasy. I am not a big fan of MGS although i played at least two version of them. So yes, I don't have a lot of compelling games I like on PS3. I have it for the exclusive and BD movie watching. Cross-platform, I buy them on 360. But I do plan to get the games I mentioned. <br><br>Sony as a company has to do a lot more than what it has been doing in order to gain my trust again. I think Microsoft is lesser of all the evils.
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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PseudonymAnon:<br>That is a good thing. Sony should stop trying to make "PS3 does everything" to "PS3 does games and some." I am a new PS3 owner and I have not found anything compelling to play on this platform yet. </div>
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<br>The things is, we really need a multimedia box that does everything, and the PS3 gets closer than most. I think the way they've been marketing this approach leaves a lot to be desired, but the intent is spot on.<br><br>Give me a single machine that does games, movies, music, DVR functionality, email and web functionality out of the box and I'm set.<br><br>And you can't find compelling content for the PS3? You're kidding right? Perhaps you're pickier than I am. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif -- </div>
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<br><br>That was their method of advertising before the price cut and it really did not help them much. Now that the slim is out and the pricing is much more reasonable they really don't have to work to sell the system, it pretty much sells itself. The many features of the system are certainly worth mentioning, but no need to harp on it. What they really need to work on now is selling the games, this seems to be the sticking point with me. Obviously 1st party games are a no brainer, they tend to be of high quality, and I don't exactly have an option of platforms, but when it comes to cross platform games, I tend to gravitate toward the 360. Maybe it is because I owned the system first, maybe it is the AA, maybe it is the controller, but unless the PS3 has something additional to offer( Batman:AA) I tend to go 360 with my games.
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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PseudonymAnon:<br>That is a good thing. Sony should stop trying to make "PS3 does everything" to "PS3 does games and some." I am a new PS3 owner and I have not found anything compelling to play on this platform yet. </div>
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<br>The things is, we really need a multimedia box that does everything, and the PS3 gets closer than most. I think the way they've been marketing this approach leaves a lot to be desired, but the intent is spot on.<br><br>Give me a single machine that does games, movies, music, DVR functionality, email and web functionality out of the box and I'm set.<br><br>And you can't find compelling content for the PS3? You're kidding right? Perhaps you're pickier than I am. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif -- </div>
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<br><br>That was their method of advertising before the price cut and it really did not help them much. Now that the slim is out and the pricing is much more reasonable they really don't have to work to sell the system, it pretty much sells itself. The many features of the system are certainly worth mentioning, but no need to harp on it. What they really need to work on now is selling the games, this seems to be the sticking point with me. Obviously 1st party games are a no brainer, they tend to be of high quality, and I don't exactly have an option of platforms, but when it comes to cross platform games, I tend to gravitate toward the 360. Maybe it is because I owned the system first, maybe it is the AA, maybe it is the controller, but unless the PS3 has something additional to offer( Batman:AA) I tend to go 360 with my games.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JPan:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and I have not found anything compelling to play on this platform yet </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>oh get stuffed. Seriously. Yes we know all cool games are multiplatform. So neither the 360 nor the PS3 has really anything compelling to play(exclusively) Get over it. (Not really true some of the games I enjoyed most this gen were on PS3, Ratchet and Uncharted, although great multiplatform games outnumber them of course CoD4, AC, GTA4 ...) <BR><BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sony is at least doing two-steps-forward one-step-back trot now days than previous forgettable jaded attempts to sell PS3 with the "you follow my lead" attitude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Oh come on. Yes they are now focussing on games. Because now they have some. Developing great games for a new platform takes a couple of years. And apparently they didn't put enough effort into getting great games out early. I still remember the first year where I mostly played some PSN games because I was stupid enough to buy the PS3 early.<BR>Which was pretty stupid, Microsoft had a year headstart ( and an equally shitty lineup in its first year) And Nintendo managed to put out all big hitters early because they essentially shipped the same hardware with new controls.<BR><BR>So Sony screwed up when it came to games. They didn't get third-parties to develop enough in the beginning first-party couldn't fill the whole. I mean come on GT5 and God of War 3 in 2010? They could have for example killed God of War 2. <BR><BR>Now that everybody has written their Ps3 engines and tools and many studios are already making sequels this is different. And they can focus on their pretty awesome game lineup of the next 6 months. Which is great. I do not know what any jaded attempts at selling the console have to do with it. A switch in strategy didn't change anything. The games of today are here because of a decision multiple years ago. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>This guy has a stated anti-Sony bias. It may take him some time to warm up to the exclusives.<BR><BR>Honestly, kudos to you, PA, to remaining console-agnostic and picking up a PS3 despite your hate for Sony. After some time you may find yourself digging the exclusive content more and more. And, hell, why not? Most multi-platform games play better on Xbox360 anyway, right?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but I found them normally useless and unnecessarily complicated in many instances </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>So you own a Wii? Because the 360 is just as multifunctional as the PS3? Minus BluRay plus Netflix. All-In-One devices are only a problem if one function is to the detriment of the others. The iPhone/iTouch for example are great examples that multifunctional devices can work perfectly. A PC also comes to mind. I seriously doubt that the video and mp3 playback functionality did hurt its gaming part. (And yes some functions like the shitty browser can get lost)<BR><BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I found most of Japanese games unappealing and silly </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Dito, never found a Japanese game I wanted to play. I played Resident Evil and Devil May Cry and they are ok games but somehow I am not getting the story. And I shudder when thinking about JRPGs. <BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Cross-platform, I buy them on 360. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Which is your choice but really to combine this statement with "you do not find anything to play on PS3" is pretty idiotic. Its as if you bought two DVD players and start complaining that one of them has nothing to play because you buy all DVDs for the first one.<BR><BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">what it has been doing in order to gain my trust again. I think Microsoft is lesser of all the evils. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Trust? How about if they allow you to use a standard HD in their console instead of robbing you? Or if they add WLAN to all consoles instead of asking for 100$ for an addon that is worth 5$? Or if they made a console with a decent quality from the beginning? <BR>Normally I would have bought a 360 because I was more of a PC gamer and Halo, Mass Effects and Gears are really in my angle. But having a suicidal console pretty much killed it. MS had a much better developer support from the beginnig but when it comes to trust you should perhaps reevaluate.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JPan:<BR>So neither the 360 nor the PS3 has really anything compelling to play(exclusively).<BR> </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>not sure anybody with a 360 would agree with you there.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JPan:<BR>All-In-One devices are only a problem if one function is to the detriment of the others. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I think this is the case. I've reconnected my Blu-ray alongside the PS3 after using it for a few weeks. Much more convenient to have multiple drives loaded and not lose your place all the time.<BR><BR>I think it is pointless to argue Xbox vs PS3. Similar hardware capabilities, similar games.<BR><BR>I can discuss Wii vs PS3 now, and I'm not that blown away. Uncharted, for example, is not so different it turns out from Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube was. Move down some sort of path from one battle to the next. I mean it's good, and it's fun, but not a feeling that I'm seeing something new. To look back and see the game discussed as a possible system seller seems strange in retrospect.<BR><BR>The good news is that the PS3 is more affordable; and that along with a $300 system, there are plenty of $20 and $30 good games to keep me occupied for quite a while. I don't feel a burning need to pick up any new games at $60 a copy.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by keath:<BR>I can discuss Wii vs PS3 now, and I'm not that blown away. Uncharted, for example, is not so different it turns out from Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube was. Move down some sort of path from one battle to the next. I mean it's good, and it's fun, but not a feeling that I'm seeing something new. To look back and see the game discussed as a possible system seller seems strange in retrospect. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Comparing Resident Evil 4 on the Wii to Uncharted? I wouldn't be so bold to attempt that. Sure, they're both third person adventure games, but that is where all similarities end. Game mechanics are completely different as is the story and visual presentation. I've played through both, and comparing the two based on the amount of enjoyment I received from each, Uncharted gets the upper hand by far. In Uncharted, I saw something new: an adventure game nearly perfected. That's rare.
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Was Hustle Kings shown at this event?<BR><BR>Looks to be the king of pool (billiards) games.<BR><BR>Trailer:<BR><BR>http://www.gametrailers.com/vi...9-hustle-kings/50707
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuitarAficionado:<BR>The things is, we really need a multimedia box that does everything, and the PS3 gets closer than most. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>No, an HTPC gets closer than most - ESPECIALLY since the first TV tuner cards are coming out in January with Cable Card support. You can say bye-bye to those clunky DVRs and cable boxes as all your media is on one system.<BR><BR>Coincidentally enough (NOT FABOYISM) but the xbox 360 interfaces to Windows Media Center. Hence, you don't actually have to build a home theater PC - Just upgrade your desktop with the tuner card and you can watch your recorded shows in the living room via the xbox.<BR><BR>Note: I do need to make mention that the media user interface on the Xbox 360 is still horribly, horribly outdated.
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Man I actually have no idea what some of the people here are complaining about. The playstation 3 is completely functional, and contrary still, to ignorant, yet popular belief, IT HAS MANY GREAT GAMES. To be honest, the only titles I ever really get into are exclusives, and I've been enjoying those in spades, much more so than our 360 sadly. At this point in the console cycle, if you can't find plenty of games to enjoy on whatever console your discussing, your obviously biased and unwilling to accept facts.<BR><BR>I'm glad Sony's flaunting they're software, they really should be. They said all along that the PS3 will have tons software, and for the longest time, people kept doubting. Sony's got so many AMAZING first party studio's that anyone who thought they wouldn't have great software support should just slap themselves. <BR><BR>This generation is awesome, and Sony's friggin awesome too. Deal with it 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">No, an HTPC gets closer than most </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Hmm I would love to have one. My problem is that I am really lazy. The great thing about the PS3 is that you unpack it, connect it with two cables to the TV and power, enter your WLAN information, wait two hours till all updates are in (lol gaming console) and everything is done. How easy is it to setup an HTPC today? I suppose its easy with Windows Media Center but if I want a media PC I would like to go the full way with MythTV.<BR>Besides it has my favorite connection to my PC (support for my external harddisc with all the movies) And better games support. Seriously PC gaming of late is a shame with the late buggy versions. Hopefully Blizzard will change that.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JabberWockey:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuitarAficionado:<BR>The things is, we really need a multimedia box that does everything, and the PS3 gets closer than most. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>No, an HTPC gets closer than most - ESPECIALLY since the first TV tuner cards are coming out in January with Cable Card support. You can say bye-bye to those clunky DVRs and cable boxes as all your media is on one system.<BR><BR>Coincidentally enough (NOT FABOYISM) but the xbox 360 interfaces to Windows Media Center. Hence, you don't actually have to build a home theater PC - Just upgrade your desktop with the tuner card and you can watch your recorded shows in the living room via the xbox.<BR><BR>Note: I do need to make mention that the media user interface on the Xbox 360 is still horribly, horribly outdated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I'm not sure about windows media center but the PS3 can do that with other software as well. I have EyeTV on my Mac and I can send my recorded shows to the PS3, among many other devices.
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<br><br>No, an HTPC gets closer than most - ESPECIALLY since the first TV tuner cards are coming out in January with Cable Card support. You can say bye-bye to those clunky DVRs and cable boxes as all your media is on one system.<br><br>Coincidentally enough (NOT FABOYISM) but the xbox 360 interfaces to Windows Media Center. Hence, you don't actually have to build a home theater PC - Just upgrade your desktop with the tuner card and you can watch your recorded shows in the living room via the xbox. </div>
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<br><br>Of course, the PS3 interfaces to Windows Media Center too! Surprise. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --<br><br>I see your point about a PC -- but man, I don't want one in my living room next to my TV. And the interface -- ugh. And the setup -- ugh...
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<br><br>No, an HTPC gets closer than most - ESPECIALLY since the first TV tuner cards are coming out in January with Cable Card support. You can say bye-bye to those clunky DVRs and cable boxes as all your media is on one system.<br><br>Coincidentally enough (NOT FABOYISM) but the xbox 360 interfaces to Windows Media Center. Hence, you don't actually have to build a home theater PC - Just upgrade your desktop with the tuner card and you can watch your recorded shows in the living room via the xbox. </div>
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<br><br>Of course, the PS3 interfaces to Windows Media Center too! Surprise. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --<br><br>I see your point about a PC -- but man, I don't want one in my living room next to my TV. And the interface -- ugh. And the setup -- ugh...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by apoclypse:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JabberWockey:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuitarAficionado:<BR>The things is, we really need a multimedia box that does everything, and the PS3 gets closer than most. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>No, an HTPC gets closer than most - ESPECIALLY since the first TV tuner cards are coming out in January with Cable Card support. You can say bye-bye to those clunky DVRs and cable boxes as all your media is on one system.<BR><BR>Coincidentally enough (NOT FABOYISM) but the xbox 360 interfaces to Windows Media Center. Hence, you don't actually have to build a home theater PC - Just upgrade your desktop with the tuner card and you can watch your recorded shows in the living room via the xbox.<BR><BR>Note: I do need to make mention that the media user interface on the Xbox 360 is still horribly, horribly outdated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I'm not sure about windows media center but the PS3 can do that with other software as well. I have EyeTV on my Mac and I can send my recorded shows to the PS3, among many other devices. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Was just gonna say the same thing. I don't have a cable input on my PC, though, so I use Pinnacle Studio Box to capture the video and send it along for use on all the TVs in the condo. This solution is rarely used, but it may become more useful when I’m in my own house.<BR><BR>Oddly enough, the PS3 works with Media Center as well..
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PseudonymAnon:<BR>Sony as a company has to do a lot more than what it has been doing in order to gain my trust again. I think Microsoft is lesser of all the evils. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Wow, there's a first for everything I guess. Definitely more venom for Microsoft worldwide over Sony as I see it. Especially when you consider some of the complaints against Sony were really the fault of BMG, the European music conglomerate that Sony music teamed up with and were involved in the root kit ordeal - a separate entity from the gaming/electronics divisions...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JPan:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but I found them normally useless and unnecessarily complicated in many instances </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>So you own a Wii? Because the 360 is just as multifunctional as the PS3? Minus BluRay plus Netflix. <BR><BR>Normally I would have bought a 360 because I was more of a PC gamer and Halo, Mass Effects and Gears are really in my angle. But having a suicidal console pretty much killed it. MS had a much better developer support from the beginnig but when it comes to trust you should perhaps reevaluate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>No, I don't own Wii b/c I don't play any Nintendo game in the first place.<BR><BR>I use PCs and laptops for my primary work and some entertainment purpose. I picked xbox and 360 b/c of my PC gaming root. In fact, you can argue that PC is all-in-one box solution which I use it for all kind of things. 360 was out b4 PS3 and I was one of those early adapter so that was that. I couldn't justify myself getting PS3 when it first came out and couldn't care about the early PS3 games. I play games mostly on 360 now days and I don't think that trend will change anytime soon. All my buddies who own 360 and PS3 mostly spend their time on 360. I actually use my 360 to charge PS3 controller b/c I am on 360 more than PS3. <BR><BR>Perhaps it is some what pointless to express what I think about the jack-of-all-trade solution. I just don't care about "we can do everything" campaign of PS3 when Sony was pitching for it. I just think that Sony is doing the right thing now days by reducing the price and focus more on games than "we can do everything" approach. I am sure PS3 is capable, but I just don't use it as much as I should b/c I have everything I need before I bought PS3. I will be getting some PS3 exclusive titles such as Valkyria Chronicles, GOW HD version, and probably Uncharted 2. And that's about it at this point.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Control Group:<BR>"Image courtesy Frank Caron"<BR><BR>/me pours one out for his homies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>++<BR><BR>Nice catch 'Control Group'. I actually came here ready to ask 'Where's Frank?'. Since this was in Toronto
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuitarAficionado:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PseudonymAnon:<BR>Sony as a company has to do a lot more than what it has been doing in order to gain my trust again. I think Microsoft is lesser of all the evils. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Wow, there's a first for everything I guess. Definitely more venom for Microsoft worldwide over Sony as I see it. Especially when you consider some of the complaints against Sony were really the fault of BMG, the European music conglomerate that Sony music teamed up with and were involved in the root kit ordeal - a separate entity from the gaming/electronics divisions... </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I have my reason for not liking Sony and it has nothing to do with BMG, etc. I also believe all these corporations leapfrog each other due to the market condition and competitions. I don't want Microsoft to win, but I am tied to Microsoft more than Sony at this point. Sony PS3 which I picked up recently is just another peripheral sit in the corner waiting for me to play some of PS3 exclusive titles. I just have best of everything and just don't need Sony to do everything for me. I tried the web surfing on my 46" LCD and it didn't really work for me. I will just use my laptop if I have to do web surfing. It would be awesome if Sony allows me to web surf while I am in game. I just don't see I want to fidgeting around PS3 just b/c it does "everything."<BR><BR>Now, if I don't have anything......PS3 is a compelling product while you build up your best-of solutions for everything you do. I do think PS3, spec-wise, seems more complete and stand-alone solution than xbox360. xbox360 compliment my current environment quite nicely and I am just used to playing games on it. I did buy three 360s and one RRODed and I am so tempted to buy the MW2 version.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PseudonymAnon:<BR>I did buy three 360s and one RRODed and I am so tempted to buy the MW2 version. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>See, and that's the problem with the 360 right there.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JabberWockey:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuitarAficionado:<BR>The things is, we really need a multimedia box that does everything, and the PS3 gets closer than most. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>No, an HTPC gets closer than most - ESPECIALLY since the first TV tuner cards are coming out in January with Cable Card support. You can say bye-bye to those clunky DVRs and cable boxes as all your media is on one system.<BR><BR>Coincidentally enough (NOT FABOYISM) but the xbox 360 interfaces to Windows Media Center. Hence, you don't actually have to build a home theater PC - Just upgrade your desktop with the tuner card and you can watch your recorded shows in the living room via the xbox.<BR><BR>Note: I do need to make mention that the media user interface on the Xbox 360 is still horribly, horribly outdated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Uh. The PS3 plays more formats streamed than the 360, and does lossless audio (LPCM) streamed as well.<BR><BR>And, more importantly, the PS3 does not lock you in to Windows Media Center. (If Sony did this, they'd catch no end of shit here on Ars.) I use the free PS3 Media Server, and have only had one -- of hundreds, if not almost a thousand -- HDTV caps from the US (MPEG2) and Europe (various MPEG4, 50hz or converted to 24fps) play perfectly. And you can rip any non-VC1 BD to your HDD and stream that to the PS3.<BR><BR>An HTPC has various disadvantages, though it is the most flexible by far. But since there is a market for streaming hubs (Popcorn Hour et. al.), the PS3 fits in here neatly.<BR><BR>I don't see how any feature of the PS3 was added at the detriment to any other feature (except price). My gaming hasn't been harmed at all by the streaming, and there <I>are</I> great exclusives like MGS4 (never played MGS prior), Resistance (not as good as Halo), GT5P, LBP, etc. And Uncharted has already been claimed to only fit on a Blu-ray (believable given Forza's announcement of a 2 DVD requirement).<BR><BR>Always great to see more games, though. Looking forward to many of these.<BR><BR>-Pie
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">At Sony's annual PlayStation Holiday Preview Event in downtown Toronto there was one clear focus: games. ... However, aside from Uncharted 2, all of these games ... won't be available until early 2010. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>So, this was a preview for what holiday, exactly? Valentines Day? I guess that would work if the gamer were the recipient. (Note to self: Spouse prefers jewelry to toy skateboards...) <BR><BR>Or maybe they mean April Fools...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kbhola:<BR>why? did frank caron die? or is he in jail? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Both. But if you say "Frank is the Ernie to Ben's Bert" 3 times you can summon him from his undead prison cell to do your bidding.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aurich:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kbhola:<BR>why? did frank caron die? or is he in jail? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Both. But if you say "Frank is the Ernie to Ben's Bert" 3 times you can summon him from his undead prison cell to do your bidding. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Someone call me?
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Multimedia consoles aren't so bad. When I'm home, I play games on the 360, when my girlfriend is home she watches Netflix. Works out for the both of us. With Netflix supplying HD content that is very good, I'm beginning to think blue-ray isn't all that necessary. I just wish Netflix would add better movies and shows.
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The Netflix CEO said they want to bring Netflix to PS3. What most people don't mention when they mention the Netflix support is that you have to have an Xbox Live Gold account to use the Netflix, which in my opinion is silly.<br><br>I like Microsoft itself, love the games, but loathe its game division. As a PC gamer, I really don't see the need to own a 360 since the "exclusives" like Halo and Mass Effect are on PC, came to PS3 anyway, or will come to it (Mass Effect 2, BioShock and the sequel, etc).<br><br>I love Sony wholeheartedly. I've never had a single problem out of them (never bought a DRM'd CD since I haven't bought BMG CD ever). I play my PS3 religiously too. Bought mine in late 07 as part of the MotorStorm 80GB bundle for $500 (WalMart employee discount -- View image here: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/forum/smilies/biggrin_classic.gif --). I haven't even had the Yellow Light of Death.<br><br>Even after saying that, I'm thinking about getting a used 360 for the six or so exclusives that won't come to other systems. Microsoft really impressed me with their system updates during the last E3. When a multi-platform game comes out for both, I'll get it for PS3, unless it's totally gimped compared to the 360 version.<br><br>And to think, years ago I said I wouldn't own a 360 if it were given to me. Still, it will be hard to decide if I want a Microsoft-systems-only game for PC or 360.
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Devil Post!!<BR><BR>View image: http://idisk.mac.com/serversurfer/Public/Ars/Pics/News/DevilPost.jpg <BR><BR>/panic
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