The death gap between Democrats and Republicans was larger in counties with lower vaccination rates.
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GOP voters had higher excess deaths rates after COVID vaccine rollout
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I'm not sure if this will ever happen, but it would be pretty fascinating to someday see any potential links between a partisan gap in excess deaths and a swing state going blue in any given election. I'm not sure if the data to correlate this exists, or if the effect is strong enough in any one place to actually manifest, but it would be a fantastic (if seemingly obvious) lesson in why policies that actively kill off your own voter base might be a bad idea.
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One of my bosses has been out since March due to COVID, a lot of that time spent in the ICU. I'm happy she's recovering now and may be able to return to work in a couple of months, as I don't want anyone to die, but she is one of those that expressed vaccine hesitancy in the office, and never disclosed vaccination status (my work asked for voluntary disclosure of vaccination status). I have to suspect she wasn't vaccinated and that is part of why she had such a terrible time of it, and I do believe she leans republican, so this tracks.
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I wish more studies where conducted into the harms of conservativism .
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Yeah, but at least they won't be freely providing 5G service from underground like those socialist Democrats!
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Much like children suffering school shootings this is just a part of the price of Freedumb according to those more likely to suffer the consequences.
As far as the two states in the study, unfortunately the death rate wasn't high enough to actually turn them back to purple status.
As far as the two states in the study, unfortunately the death rate wasn't high enough to actually turn them back to purple status.
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I'm sorry, but if someone is willing to disregard their own health, in fact their own life, solely to agree with the prescribed political agenda, then that person is literally, willingly, enslaved.
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Unfortunately this is indicative of the lack of eduation and critical thinking among the population that votes Republican. When you constantly denigrate people who have "smarts" as being elite, then it just self purpetuates the tribalism that they cling to. And to flip this around, the educated within the Republican party don't seem interested in doing anything to improve the lives of the people they respresent.
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155 million people voted in the 2020 election. Per the article, 1.1 million people have died from COVID in the USA (not all voters).
Without minimizing the sheer number of deaths (that's like half the population of the Montreal island), its still a fraction of a percent of voters, so I'd say unlikely to swing a State one way or another... until we have a pandemic caused by a more deadly virus.
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But what about the fact that none of these facts matter? As a matter of fact id like to point out that facts dont exist, and that this is just part of the globalists agenda to insert talking point here
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Very sad, but totally expected.
Since this does not agree with what the "right" wants for reality (and the associated media companies that make money by supplying that desired "reality" in their news feed) this report will be ignored and deminished by those on the right side of the aisle as they look at their Ivermectine orders. It's a bit stunning, 1/3 - 1/4 of the country is willingly emotionally invested in what is essentially a cult.
Since this does not agree with what the "right" wants for reality (and the associated media companies that make money by supplying that desired "reality" in their news feed) this report will be ignored and deminished by those on the right side of the aisle as they look at their Ivermectine orders. It's a bit stunning, 1/3 - 1/4 of the country is willingly emotionally invested in what is essentially a cult.
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It may be worse than this. In southeast Ohio and Appalachia in general, there are lots of registered Democrats who haven't voted for a Democrat in decades (to give you a hint why, they haven't voted for a Democrat since 1968 specifically). Similarly in Florida, older voters may retain party affiliation from decades gone by. You register your political party once, and it stays the same unless you specifically go through the effort of changing it.
If you've ever wondered in polls who those x% of Democrats are who think Trump is the bee's knees, it's not all people messing with pollsters. Some of it is Dixiecrats who refuse to associate with the same party that ended slavery.
So if you use registration data, you'll get some Republicans mixed with your Democrats. Not so much the other way around.
If you've ever wondered in polls who those x% of Democrats are who think Trump is the bee's knees, it's not all people messing with pollsters. Some of it is Dixiecrats who refuse to associate with the same party that ended slavery.
So if you use registration data, you'll get some Republicans mixed with your Democrats. Not so much the other way around.
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I think there are lots of underlying issues that likely affect this, but those are also factors that tend to lean into toxic conservatism. This is the price of being willingly lead into a universe of alternative facts where there is objective truth. And the reality is that if you show this to someone who buys I to that reality, it simply won’t matter. If they even bother to accept the excess deaths as fact (good luck), they’ll just jump to excuses why the conclusion is wrong.
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Those responsible for anti-vax and anti-mask messaging are culpable and should be held to account. They won't be, of course, but they should be.
And before anyone wrongly takes glee in the deaths or suggests it serves the victims right, remember that each death is a tragedy for the families of the deceased. Being gullible to a particularly persuasive & malicious propaganda machine should not carry a death sentence.
Don't blame the victims, place the blame where it belongs on the anti-vax scumbags and those funding that messaging.
And before anyone wrongly takes glee in the deaths or suggests it serves the victims right, remember that each death is a tragedy for the families of the deceased. Being gullible to a particularly persuasive & malicious propaganda machine should not carry a death sentence.
Don't blame the victims, place the blame where it belongs on the anti-vax scumbags and those funding that messaging.
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You couldn't have put a more perfect description of the attitute this article is about.
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They refused it at peak pandemic and after the mandates and tremendious social pressure + one trillion in global advertising - good luck trying to get them to take it now.
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I am sorry to read about people losing their lives to this terrible disease. But if the vaccines statistically prevent the worst type of outcomes and republicans are statistically less like to get the vaccine than their counterparts, this is exactly what we should have excepted.
Never-the-less, these authors doing the work to get the data and do the study / analysis is critically important. Their conclusion is both a grim reminder of the dangers of politicizing public health events and also reinforces the importance of trusting science over belief.
Never-the-less, these authors doing the work to get the data and do the study / analysis is critically important. Their conclusion is both a grim reminder of the dangers of politicizing public health events and also reinforces the importance of trusting science over belief.
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It really is fascinating to watch over the last several years how "owning the libs" went from saying or doing something that made liberals mad to doing things that cause self harm, while liberals stand there going "wait, why?"
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How many bets this is the person behind all the single downvotes on upvoted comments at this point?
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Its interesting how the anti-vax movement has morphed from a liberal issue to a conservative one or possibly both.. It used to be the crunchy granola types on the west coast were the anti-vaxers because they claimed it caused autism and who the hell knows what else.
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It's actually somewhat more interesting than this. A recent WaPo article (yeah, it's an opinion but the data are there) points out that a lot of Gen Z voters have come of age (32 million since 2016) and that they vote in much higher numbers than previous generations. And that they're really not fond of Republicans. The new voters are also more diverse, the group of voters dying off are largely White.
So while covid and vaccine stupidity makes the problem worse for Republicans, they've already got a real problem.
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The reality is that a lot of the deaths are from folks who are both victim AND abuser. They enforced cultural norms making those who disagreed outcasts, rallied against mandates, actively flouted rules, refused to even consider doing something that would prevent OTHERS from dying.
If they were only misled for themselves and didn’t risk the safety of others? Yeah, tragedy. But plenty of these folks were misled AND misled others, or contributed to a culture and movement founded on stupidity.
We don’t have to feel bad for every person who died. Nor even for every family that lost someone. It was a tragedy for them. But I’m many cases, a preventable one. Do we feel bad for a husband who lost his wife because he told her not to get the vaccine? Why?
I don’t think we need to feel gleeful, certainly. That’s ghoulish. But double-fuck the idea that we have to feel sorry for everyone that died OR everyone that lost somebody.
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Fine by me. They're doing the gene pool a favor. (My sympathy for such people is non-existent anymore. They brought this on themselves and are reaping what they've sowed).
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The anti-vax movement is one of those Goldilocks conspiracy theories that unites the extremes of both ends of the political spectrum, for some time now. It would be fascinating if it was not so disheartening.
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I suspect the fatality rate would have to be far far larger to do that. A lot of people died, but I suspect not remotely enough to swing a red state.
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Dammit! 5G is a higher frequency and thus has a smaller coverage envelope and less penetration. We need as many juiced up as we can get, for total coverage!
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