Chrome's Manifest V3 transition is here. First up are warnings for any V2 extensions.
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Google starts deprecating older, more capable Chrome extensions next week
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There's a reason I put in a Raspberry Pi for Pihole while I look at what I should do for an alternate browser.
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Oh yeah, thanks Ars for reminding me why I ditched Chrome and went back to Firefox a while ago!
It was the BS surrounding Google doing exactly this.
It was the BS surrounding Google doing exactly this.
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Even though I'm an Android user, I've removed as much other Googley-things from my life as I can. I'm quite happy running Firefox on my phone, along with the uBlock Origin, NoScript, and Dark Reader extensions for it. (Plus, AdGuard's DNS server plugged in for the Private DNS settings on my phone).
I'd rather give up the Web entirely, than have to access it with some cruddy browser that doesn't offer ad-blocking. (Seriously, how can anyone stand to use the Web anymore with how disgustingly spammy and ad-filled it's become?! It's an atrocious experience, IMO)!
I'd rather give up the Web entirely, than have to access it with some cruddy browser that doesn't offer ad-blocking. (Seriously, how can anyone stand to use the Web anymore with how disgustingly spammy and ad-filled it's become?! It's an atrocious experience, IMO)!
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OR...hear me out...you could just use Firefox and not worry about it. You can import all your Chrome stuff into Firefox in seconds.
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I wonder how long it'll be before Google ad services/analytics, which are embedded in virtually the entire internet for site metrics, will require this? Imagine, all of your webpages you go to that use Google analytics will suddenly throw some unlockable overlay that your browser is unsupported because it still supports manifest v2 (even if it supports v3 too).
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Already on Firefox on all my daily devices (except my iPhone; I use Safari there, since Apple only lets Safari use extensions on iOS). I was on Vivaldi for a while, but since it’s Chromium-based I’m feeling less confident about its future; hence the switch.
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Anyone else here feel like Chrome is has become the modern equivalent of M$FT Internet Explorer (exploder/destroyer/etc)?
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steelcobra
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Man I remember when Google was supposedly the good guys.
Least I have options to not use it
They knew what would happen but steered Google into being an advertising platform anyways.
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I mean, they aren’t our websites, right? They are somebody else’s. If somebody else starts running junk to block us out, then… they just don’t want us around! Personally if someone doesn’t want me around I’m happy to leave.
Although, most of that junk barely runs without JavaScript anyway.
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I'm not a multibillion dollar company abusing my monopoly power to control the internet.
How does that boot taste, by the way?
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They're also removing cookies in favor of proprietary tracking that you can't refresh or control.
I don't think Chrome can be relied on by govt agencies any longer. It will be too difficult to secure.
I don't think Chrome can be relied on by govt agencies any longer. It will be too difficult to secure.
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Can someone who understands this better explain how Manifest V3 compares to Safari's ad blocking API? My limited understanding is that both are declarative, and restrict the extension's access to your web content. There have been complaints that Safari's API has unrealistic limits on the size of the rule set that an extension can provide, but 1Blocker get around this limit with the ugly but effective hack of providing no fewer than 10 separate extensions for blocking various kinds of ads and annoyances. I've found that 1Blocker is nearly 100% effective in blocking ads. It's a great app! And although I trust the developer, I'm a lot more comfortable using an extension with limited privileges. I'm not using Chrome lots of other good reasons, but if Manifest V3 were no more restrictive than Safari's API, I'd have few problem with that part of it. If I'm misunderstanding this, I hope someone can set me straight.
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Glad that after moving from Netscape to Firefox I never moved to anything else. Tried a lot of browsers but FF has always been the primary browser.
If you use FF, consider donating. Consider what a browser does for you, worth everything you donate.
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I was always bothered that they made some inroads into education. Anyone with IT experience would have known the data mining that they were setting up their students for. The decision making people at the schools or school distracts must have come away with fat wallets.
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I am another user that ditched chrome and moved to Firefox. Mozilla really should consider modularizing the browser engine, however, so we can get support for something like electron. Beyond that, I wish the EFF would fork Chromium and release their own browser, that or another large company that has the marketing muscle to push users elsewhere.
In hindsight, letting an ad company control the browser market was a dumb idea.
In hindsight, letting an ad company control the browser market was a dumb idea.
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Firefox did go through a significant re-engineering process a while back, and the result has been a lot more performant. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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steelcobra
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I've been FF main since the beta. I was there during the Netscape die-out and the IE6 supremacy, and I refuse to use a browser that's trying to bring back those bad days.
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I've been lazy about switching off of Chrome ever since switching to Chrome long ago when it was "fast and lightweight." I tried the "new and improved" Edge, but it stinks and slapping AI on everything is annoying as hell. To me, anyway. It does not feel like a "value add" at all. The reason I use uBlock is, in part, for reasons like malvertising. Breaking my uBlock sounds less secure to me. What is good these days and allows uBlock to function fully? Opera? Mozilla? Brave is an option, I suppose.
I find the web nearly unusable with all the in-your-face-instant-play-at-full-volume-follow-you-around ads. I do not know how anyone can use it like that. My elderly mother complains about it, for crying out loud! Does it not register to advertising companies, like Google, that ads do not work well on the people who already block them out of their lives? Forcing those people "back into the fold" will not have the impact you desire and just pisses people off. That reminds me, but what OS are people gaming on these days? Anyone tried AtlasOS? I would like HDR.
I find the web nearly unusable with all the in-your-face-instant-play-at-full-volume-follow-you-around ads. I do not know how anyone can use it like that. My elderly mother complains about it, for crying out loud! Does it not register to advertising companies, like Google, that ads do not work well on the people who already block them out of their lives? Forcing those people "back into the fold" will not have the impact you desire and just pisses people off. That reminds me, but what OS are people gaming on these days? Anyone tried AtlasOS? I would like HDR.
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I have left tech (and the workforce) due to a number of factors, so I haven’t needed profile support, so I have no idea if things have improved, but one possible solution is that you could simply use firefox for your default profile and use chrome for the other stuff. either that or use a fork.
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Don't do Brave. They're full of scummy practices themselves. Things like modifying pages to redirect advertising/referral revenue to themselves instead of page owners, cryptocurrency shenanigans, etc.
Firefox is good.
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Fuck Google.
Fuck Google.
FUCK GOOGLE.
Hopefully they get smacked down by regulators.. HARD. I’m not holding my breath..
Fuck Google.
FUCK GOOGLE.
Hopefully they get smacked down by regulators.. HARD. I’m not holding my breath..
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Firefox has been declining for years but this move by Google might be just the thing to kick off a renaissance of Firefox use. I hope anyhow.
Edit: I just re-read the above and realized that it might be ambiguous what I meant when I said "Firefox has been declining for years" - I just meant the number of users running it. Not the product itself, like from a technology standpoint. It's, afaik, just gotten better and better over the years.
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Those chrome-only interfaces are becoming increasingly rare, they often work fine in Firefox, Safari, etc. anyway..... and MS Edge is now just Chrome under the hood, plus MS's incompetent & killable tracking shit, and minus Google's scarily competent & unkillable tracking shit. I've yet to find a "This interface requires Google Chrome" prompt that doesn't go away when opened in Edge.
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Been very interested in moving away from Chrome, but have been entirely too lazy. I have a feeling this might do it.
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I've aliased
Safari and Firefox forever.
:ie6: to :chrome: in work Slack. It's crazy how often websites fail to work in anything other than Chrome.Safari and Firefox forever.
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For years I've found Firefox to be far more performant than Chrome. I have dozens of tabs open in multiple tab groups on Firefox - no issues. I switched over 4 or 5 years ago at this point and have almost no issues.
The one issue with Firefox is that there are still some intranet sites I have to access that require Chrome for reasons I haven't figured out (other than probably "nobody is supporting them anymore but they're still mission critical for some things").
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I've used Chrome almost exclusively almost since it has existed, but, you know what, if they prevent me from being able to use the extensions I want, I'll switch browsers.
It's that simple.
It's that simple.
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They've already rolled out some updates lately (which affects Edge browsers also) and I've noticed more embedded ads showing up on both browser even though I use adblocker and pihole. Going to the same sites using Firefox a few bleed through but not nearly as many which leads me to think they've already started doing this in a limited fashion. I never liked wack-a-mole even in arcardes when I was young so looks like it's time to re-examine optional browsers again.
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Moving from a browser controlled by an advertising company to one controlled by a crypto/ad company is not a brave move, it's a stupid one:
https://www.kevinmuldoon.com/do-not-use-brave-browser/
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Tried to switch to safari but the 1Password integration is really flaky. Trying Firefox next...
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