Google loses DOJ’s big monopoly trial over search business
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What was unprecedented was how quickly the search engine collapsed under the weight of SEO manipulation which renders the engine pretty useless.
Also it'll be decades before Google has to pay anything because of appeals. I wish a court could make them pay now and refund them later if in error because of the guilty verdict.
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What happens next? Fines?
I'm in the same boat. I get that they're a monopoly but all my alternatives suck.
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FWIW, I find duckduckgo very good, and use it almost 100% (only if a search comes up with nothing useful, do I use google, mostly to still get nothing useful).
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I hope Google isn’t actually shocked. Surprised, maybe. But this was always a plausible (I would even say most likely) conclusion by the court.
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Hopefully this has an impact on the previous posted article, Google's neutering of ad-blocking and privacy-protecting software
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Section 2 is felony monopoly
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/2
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/2
ETA: this was a civil case through, and I’m unclear on the implications of being found liable (not guilty) under section 2.
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Huh? Microsoft didn't get broken up. It was under a consent decree for awhile but never really experienced any serious punishment for its antitrust verdict.
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Google shits $100M. They'll need to do better than that if they're going to punish them. And I don't mean jail time. I mean business breakup.
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Is anybody with better insight into the US legal system able to comment on whether that's $100m max total, or $100m per attempt to monopolise?
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All I have to say is " SUCK IT GOOGLE". May their cash cow burn down and take Sundar and his MBA cult with him.
Google's time in the sun is over. It will be better for most people when they get broken up.
Google's time in the sun is over. It will be better for most people when they get broken up.
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And without the money those contracts bring in, Firefox and other small browsers will be hurting. If they go under, that leaves Google and Chrome even more dominant.
Doesn't seem like much of a victory in the end.
Doesn't seem like much of a victory in the end.
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If Google stops doing default-search contracts as a result of this judgment, I think that'd be worst for Mozilla. Though they've plenty of cash on hand so it shouldn't be existential.
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"fine not exceeding $100,000,000"
Unless that fine is applied daily it sounds like Google gets off cheap.
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I think the thing a lot of comments might not realize is that having the default distribution channel is a big reason why Google is the best search engine. It makes optimizing for anything else, let alone paying for it such a tiny gain for hits that very few look into it.
If everyone only worries about Google search hits then Google will always be dominant. Circle of monopoly.
If everyone only worries about Google search hits then Google will always be dominant. Circle of monopoly.
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For a fine yes....but after the ruling the actions need to change and it opens the door for damages lawsuits. That is going to be huge.
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They were an 'abusive monopolist', it isn't having a monopoly, it is leveraging it unlawfully that is what they were found guilty of.
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I wonder how they'll try to break up google.
I know Epic was hoping Android would be ... given to Tencent or something.
Thinking back, YouTube as it's own thing drove way more competition -- from Google -- and imo shouldn't have been approved, but how they'll slice things up now is more of an open question, not helped by the driving concerns behind all this being more... politics based.
I know Epic was hoping Android would be ... given to Tencent or something.
Thinking back, YouTube as it's own thing drove way more competition -- from Google -- and imo shouldn't have been approved, but how they'll slice things up now is more of an open question, not helped by the driving concerns behind all this being more... politics based.
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Hell yes. More of this please.
Edit: IDK if this is enough of an opening to make it happen, but proper competition in search would be a huge victory in the fight against the desolate wasteland the internet has been rapidly devolving into.
Edit: IDK if this is enough of an opening to make it happen, but proper competition in search would be a huge victory in the fight against the desolate wasteland the internet has been rapidly devolving into.
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I also use and like Kagi, and find it works better than Google, but I do know it still uses the Google index at least in part. I wonder if that would continue in the wake of whatever remedy this will result in, or if they'll need to run their own indexers in the future.
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Incidentally, are there any email services out there (paid too- I'm fine w/paid) that offer security, privacy, and quality of service?
I'm looking at protonmail, but am curious what other options may exist.
Running my own sounds like a big task- I guess that depends on what I think 'big' means?
Google-"Don't be evil"
EDIT: Thanks phaedrus11!! & Everyone else! There's some good suggestions in here now-
I'm looking at protonmail, but am curious what other options may exist.
Running my own sounds like a big task- I guess that depends on what I think 'big' means?
Google-
EDIT: Thanks phaedrus11!! & Everyone else! There's some good suggestions in here now-
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Before anyone comes in and whines about how this is just "punishing companies for success," it should be noted that the head of Search at Google specifically worked to make Search worse so they could sell more ads. Without these anti competitive tactics, they wouldn't be able to do that
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I use paid Proton Mail, Google Workspace, Office 365, and postale.io.
Proton Mail is fine. I don't have any issues with it.
Office 365 is the best email in my opinion, but it's just an opinion. Opinions on Microsoft not withstanding.
Postale is fine. I forgot about it and don't use that account that much. My brother still uses it, so that's why I keep it paid for.
Google Workspace is fine, I would like to leave but I have so much shit tied to it and I'm just too lazy to migrate off.
I would like to try Hey.com but I haven't cared enough at this point.
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Apple fanboy 101
Ars Tribunus Militum
Well it depends.
Just last week I was looking for a specific event at one specific date and even though I found it on DuckDuckGo, it was completely missing on Google. Probably because Google stopped indexing all the web and turned to AI. I know DDG/Bing can't index all either, but in this case it was better than Google.
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google is a low quality piece of trash company and this is exactly what it deserves.
FUCK YOU GOOGLE
Let's see what punishment comes from this. We need concrete steps to get competition back up and running in this space.
FUCK YOU GOOGLE
Let's see what punishment comes from this. We need concrete steps to get competition back up and running in this space.
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