Google launches search app for Windows, Gemini app for Mac

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DL the app for Mac, seems pretty responsive, much better than Apple "Intelligence"
To be fair, unlike Apple Intelligence, Gemini isn't running anything on your machine locally. It's all running on Google's hardware which, no matter what you have, puts your machine to absolute shame.

I don't notice anyone talking about subscriptions here. Gemini has a free, basic tier but I wouldn't expect that to last too much longer since the whole sector looks to be pivoting away from the free or unlimited subscriptions they offer today. I'd say that I'd wonder about a bait-and-switch but this is a cloud product so I won't both.

So I guess more power to them but I'll stick with the getting to them through a browser (which isn't Chrome) since I really don't want an app that proudly offers the ability to "access your windows for additional context".
 
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I'm definitely not interested in installing any kind of direct portal that Google can hoover my files through.

What I WOULD like however - if such a thing exists - is a photo analysis program that I can run on my own system to sort my own (massive) image collection and use some form of facial recognition or even an AI to pick out the pictures of my many years of cats and sort them into collection folders. 210 gb and about 40k images.

Anyone know any options that don't give all that data to the universe?
I haven’t tried it yet myself, but maybe Excire will do the job for you. It is a local AI (so no data leak) that can run text-based AI queries on an image collection. I doubt it’ll be smart enough to distinguish your cat from your neighbor’s, but if it works as advertised it should at least be able to flag all your cat photos, after which you can sort them at will.
 
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Any options that don't give all that data to the universe?
Take a look at ente, maybe? I've moved over from Google Photos, and I'm satisfied. The AI can do pretty great subject analysis, but I haven't tested it extensively on my cats. Also, zero-knowledge software ftw.
 
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I'm definitely not interested in installing any kind of direct portal that Google can hoover my files through.

What I WOULD like however - if such a thing exists - is a photo analysis program that I can run on my own system to sort my own (massive) image collection and use some form of facial recognition or even an AI to pick out the pictures of my many years of cats and sort them into collection folders. 210 gb and about 40k images.

Anyone know any options that don't give all that data to the universe?
On Windows, ACDsee Photo Studio can do that. It still exists! If you give them an email address, you'll get a discount link for the latest version sometime soon. It usually goes on sale for $70 or $80 pretty regularly.
 
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So much for "Don't be Evil". Any time the Gemini app for MacOS, it runs a GeminiAppLauncher app which also sets itself to run on login to MacOS. This application hijacks the option-space key sequence to always launch Gemini, even if the user quits the application. The only way to stop this behavior is to rename or delete the GeminiAppLauncher app.

CoPilot and ChatGPT also use the option-space hotkey, but stop listening for it if the user quits those apps. Google just runs a hidden app to always listen with no way to disable that in app.
 
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zogus

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Oh lord, I just thought back to the last time running Google’s software on Apple’s hardware seemed like a good idea.

Nurse! I think it’s past my bedtime.
I hate to have to say this, but Google IME is still the best free Japanese input method software you can get for the Mac. Apple’s default one, Kotoeri, has always sucked and still sucks today. Contrary to what you’d expect from the name, the IME is strictly local—it doesn’t send input to the cloud, let alone make suggestions based on it. It was one of the first things I installed on my Mac when I renewed it the other day.

That said, it’s the only Google app I feel comfortable using on my Mac on a daily basis these days. I do have Chrome installed, but I only use it for a handful of web sites that are Safari-hostile, and I avoid giving it any more than the bare minimum set of browsing history and login credentials.
 
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Why on earth would anyone install a Google search app on their computer? I don't want to feed Gemini or have Google sucking up data. That's ridiculous.
Perhaps it will allow users to find the actual Most Recently Used file, and not provide an earlier version as the Most Recently Used? Windows Search sucks.
 
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"Alt + Space?" That sounds familiar...

Yep, it opens the little "Move/Close/Min/Max" menu that you rarely - but occasionally - need to use when a window has disappeared offscreen for example.

Wonder what MS thinks about Google hijacking their keyboard shortcut?
Microsoft's own Powertoys already hijacks that for their version of spotlight search, "Powertoys Run".

I had to change it manually to Win-space, because I've been using the Windows icon menu shortcut for over 30 years, and I'm not about to stop now.
 
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You can open the Google app by pressing Alt + Space at any time.

What does that mean? Did Google hijack that key combination?

ALT+SPACE on Windows is the shortcut to access a window's system menu, which allows you to maximize/minimize and more importantly move a windows with keys. The latter is helpful when for whatever reason a window has managed to crawl out of the visible space of the display.
 
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I suspect that that’s why Google didn’t submit this binary to the App Store. No App Store submission means no privacy report card.

the binary is just a window into a web browser that is collecting system and usage information.
Or they just want iterate very quickly? The claude app - which is distributed the same way - is updated almost every day.
 
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The compact search UI floats on top of whatever you’re doing, allowing you to instantly search the web and (with authorization) your local files and apps.

I've never understood wanting to search on the internet and on my local computer at the same time.

I've been 'on' the Internet for 35 years, and using local computers a few years before that, and I've never wanted to simultaneously search for something on both my local computer/network and the Internet at the same time.

I prefer a complete task/domain-separation of dedicated Internet searching vs local searching.

If I want to search for something on the Internet I'll use a browser where that task separation is clear and obvious, and if I want to search locally I'll use a local system tool to do so.
 
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I use Gmail and Chrome but keep an eye on both to be sure they don't fark with me and my stuff.
Also, I have alternatives sort of prepped. (telling THE WORLD that I have a new primary email...well...I honestly don't know how to do that somewhat efficiently.)
In any case, installing something new Google launches?
I Do No Think So. The days I trusted that company are prehistoric.
 
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I've never understood wanting to search on the internet and on my local computer at the same time.

I've been 'on' the Internet for 35 years, and using local computers a few years before that, and I've never wanted to simultaneously search for something on both my local computer/network and the Internet at the same time.

I prefer a complete task/domain-separation of dedicated Internet searching vs local searching.

If I want to search for something on the Internet I'll use a browser where that task separation is clear and obvious, and if I want to search locally I'll use a local system tool to do so.
No shit, Sherlock.

(I usually try to avoid profanities, but I just could not pass up this opportunity. Sorry.)
 
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I get the file search on Windows. Search there is pretty awful and MS doesn't seem that interested in fixing it or making it better. However, Spotlight on macOS is great. I would never install a Google app of all things to replace it.
Microsoft’s own PowerToys has a desktop search/run program that functions like Spotlight and works quite well.
 
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Linux users are using some terminal based web search probably. Google would be wasting their time making this for Linux lol.
Love my Arch Linux install, but I prefer using Brave Search in Brave Browser for my searching needs. That, and KDE KRunner for my searching needs, :)
 
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Google couldn’t even update the app’s early versions, forcing users to uninstall and reinstall new builds.
I realize we're talking about beta software here, but we're talking about beta software RELEASED BY GOOGLE IN THE TWENTY FIRST CENTURY. And "beta" is not "production" but I'm this context it DOES mean "explicitly intended for release to the general public."

Am I the only one scratching my head in annoyance at the willingness of even the largest and most well funded corporations to just push half-assed shit out in the public, here?
 
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So now I can get crappy search results and relentless pushes to YouTube slightly faster? Color me unimpressed.

On top of that, Google has some sort of access to my desktop? Do you think that won't be monetized?

The days of "Don't be Evil" are far in the past. Google has become just as evil as the rest of the pack.
 
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I sure don't understand the use case for this. Web search? Browser, it's always open anyway. Local search? Voidtools Everything or F-search . Why would I want to mix the two?
I'm glad to see Everything getting some mentions. It's one of the first things I install on a new Windows box. The lightning fast search is still impressive after all these years.
 
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I'm glad to see Everything getting some mentions. It's one of the first things I install on a new Windows box. The lightning fast search is still impressive after all these years.

Also, on the rare occasions when it crashes, it has one of the best error messages of all time: "Everything has stopped working".
 
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Fyi Google has a Gemini CLI app which I've actually found to be extremely helpful in solving Windows tech issues.

(For example asking it to diagnose random restarts. It searched through windows event logs finding the WHEA errors, looking up the PCIE devices and suggesting that I needed to check the seating on a PCIe u2 SSD)
 
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I get the file search on Windows. Search there is pretty awful and MS doesn't seem that interested in fixing it or making it better. However, Spotlight on macOS is great. I would never install a Google app of all things to replace it.
Yeah agreed any windows search. Never thought about replacing it though as my brain thinks it is as a os thing that's locked. Guess I need to go look at alternatives now that I know I can lol
 
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I'm definitely not interested in installing any kind of direct portal that Google can hoover my files through.

What I WOULD like however - if such a thing exists - is a photo analysis program that I can run on my own system to sort my own (massive) image collection and use some form of facial recognition or even an AI to pick out the pictures of my many years of cats and sort them into collection folders. 210 gb and about 40k images.

Anyone know any options that don't give all that data to the universe?
On Windows, I use this: https://www.acdsee.com/en/products/photo-studio-ultimate/
 
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