Since I got my Pixel 10 a couple of months ago, the Photos app has been getting more and more annoying to use. The UI was redesigned again for gazillionth time. Editing tools were made more difficult and confusing to use. Almost any editing, even a simple non AI Enhance, now forces "Save a copy" instead of "Save" - even with Ultra HDR off in the Camera app. Sometimes even just adjusting brightness requires to save a copy. Super frustrating. The last few weeks I've been mostly using a computer browser to adjusts photos. The basic tools there still work good.
I'm the only holdout in the family with Android and have been swearing to move to Apple but every time I help a family member with their iPhone it reminds me why I'm still with a Pixel...
Google, stop f-ing around and ruining every single thing!!! Sick of UI changes! And the AI crap!
I'm not fancy so I just use Fossify Gallery from Fdroid. Works fine for me. Has basic editing things in it.Which other photo app are peeps using instead? I'm sick and tired of AI on everything. I'm really waiting on which snapdragon phone Graphneos will be supporting.
Do most people even want these tools? I remember thinking the delete tool was revolutionary, I could remove unwanted people/objects from photos easily. But I take photos to remember trips/events/etc and don't really want to dramatically transform them into something they're not.
For simple photo tweak/enhancement/panorama I use ancient CD copies of "PS4" and "ArcSoft" loaded on my WINXP, never connected PC.Since I got my Pixel 10 a couple of months ago, the Photos app has been getting more and more annoying to use. The UI was redesigned again for gazillionth time. Editing tools were made more difficult and confusing to use. Almost any editing, even a simple non AI Enhance, now forces "Save a copy" instead of "Save" - even with Ultra HDR off in the Camera app. Sometimes even just adjusting brightness requires to save a copy. Super frustrating. The last few weeks I've been mostly using a computer browser to adjusts photos. The basic tools there still work good.
I'm the only holdout in the family with Android and have been swearing to move to Apple but every time I help a family member with their iPhone it reminds me why I'm still with a Pixel...
Google, stop f-ing around and ruining every single thing!!! Sick of UI changes! And the AI crap!
They're all desperate to find the "killer use case" for AI so that they can win the "AI arms race" and make all the money. They're running on the theory that if they can "win AI" they'll be able to fudge in monetization after they achieve monopoly status when all their competitors have collapsed due to the exorbitant cost in datacenters/energy that the AI bubble is requiring. To anyone with a functioning, non tech-bro brain, this seems to be a very good way of spending all your money without achieving a functional product that will cost less than it brings in, but right now they're too blinded by the need to be the winner to realize that.This is a serious question that has been bothering me.
What exactly is the market reason for companies shoving AI down our throats so aggressively? I can understand developing new features, showing where options are, even adding buttons--but the degree to which it's being pushed and how hard it is to turn off (if it can be turned off at all) is what I find hard to understand.
Who benefits by me making a picture of my neighbor's cat into a pizza delivery driver with high server-side compute costs? Is this supposed to be a loss leader when eventually those services will be indispensable and charged for?
I'm not generally anti-AI (it has its uses for me--not mission critical, but useful), but I also don't want AI to edit my photos, suggest a restaurant, tell me what I should do today, or anything of that sort. So how does Google benefit if I do? Eventual built-in advertising like everything else?
Edit: I guess Nano-Banana is device side? I wasn't aware of that. Anyway, the rest of my question still stands.
This is a serious question that has been bothering me.
What exactly is the market reason for companies shoving AI down our throats so aggressively?
I haven't used AI directly, but I can see some uses for audio processing and light imageI'm not generally anti-AI (it has its uses for me--not mission critical, but useful), but I also don't want AI to edit my photos, suggest a restaurant, tell me what I should do today, or anything of that sort. So how does Google benefit if I do? Eventual built-in advertising like everything else?
Thanks for the tip. I've been putting off setting up a self-hosting solution but I'm pushed closer to the edge with every update.I've been running Immich of my NAS for few months, so far it's been a great experience. And it looks so much like Google Photos, it's crazy.
Look into Immich if you're comfortable self-hosting. Don't use it your only backup, but it looks and feels similar to Google Photos and you own/control your own data.God damnit I really need to get off gphotos
I'd love an Ars article about building a NAS to combat rising streaming costs, and another one about locally run AI models that are actually useful. I enjoy the practice of putting a disc in the player, and I just use an external HDD as a backup for photos/etc., but I'd love to have an easy starting point if/when I want to start that project.I've been running Immich of my NAS for few months, so far it's been a great experience. And it looks so much like Google Photos, it's crazy.
Why would you even ask that? Wait... are you still holding out hope for humanity?Do users really feel they need to upload these 'artificial moments' to their social streams - pretending they are real - to stay seen in the social cesspit?
I love the Fossify apps. I actually purchased them when they were still "Simple" apps but switched to Fossify when Simple sold out.I'm not fancy so I just use Fossify Gallery from Fdroid. Works fine for me. Has basic editing things in it.
I am happy to mostly be rid of Google at this point. I don't see any QoL benefits from any of this anymore. Almost like digital minimalism moving away from them.
I agree. I think this is a case for (1) an AI limited to this single use, which can (2) learn what I regard as dust & scratches.See that sounds like the perfect use-case for an AI tool. Unfortunately I think you'd need one designed for that task; I think the more comprehensive, generative tools like Google's have too high of a tendency to make shit up.
Also I thought I'd maybe try this out (I don't use Photos often). To even use the tool, you need to agreed to allow Google Photos to organize your photos by similar faces. Not sure I want that, so I haven't tried it yet.
I scan slides and negatives from my earlier photographs. A time-consuming PITA is removing dust and scratches. If this could actually do as good a job as I do when I spend 30 minutes on an image, I'd think about consorting with the Dark Side.
Adobe actually just released some "quality of life" convenience AI features including dust removal, auto-culling (basically remove blurry/dark photos or with people eyes closed or faces looking away - culling settings are tweakable) and auto-stacking (group similar photos together in a stack). If/when they work will, they would be a boon to event/wedding/sport photographers that have to go through hundreds/thousands of photos.See that sounds like the perfect use-case for an AI tool. Unfortunately I think you'd need one designed for that task;
As I just said my previosu post above, I do think the best AI photo features are "quality of life" thing that remove the tedium of going through and editing photos.The example (make this photo a renaissance picture) seems kind of gimmicky. I might use it once or twice to show people but it's not something I particularly need in my photo app. Unblur, open eyes, etc. seems more useful. I can see it being useful for designers and other creatives but for pictures of my life not so much and certainly not when it requires atmosphere munching data centres for it.
This tells me it's not local:What's the privacy implications here? Like are we signing away the rights to our photos if we use the AI model? I assume this is processed non-locally, right?
Assuming that's using Facebook's private face groups, it access the Internet, and therefore does NOT operate entirely locally.Google says the updated Help Me Edit feature has access to your private face groups, so you can use names in your instructions. For example, you could type “Remove Riley’s sunglasses,” and Nano Banana will identify Riley in the photo (assuming you have a person of that name saved) and make the edit without further instructions. You can also ask for more fantastical edits in Help Me Edit, changing the style of the image from top to bottom.
What makes you think it's using Facebook's anything? Maybe, but I just presumed that Google has it's own tech for you to basically say, "Hey, this is Riley". Which might be saved locally on the phone?This tells me it's not local:
Assuming that's using Facebook's private face groups, it access the Internet, and therefore does NOT operate entirely locally.
IMHO, you sign away your rights to your photos by using any program that manipulates them to whatever cloud server you use (assuming you use it). Facebook would be a cloud server. So whatever you do with the program will be kept AT LEAST for data analysis, and whatever else Facebook decides to do behind your back.
That it requires access to your private Facebook groups in the first place tells ME it's not to be trusted, simply because Facebook isn't to be trusted.
Remember, there are no contracts and only unilateral TOS's for the use of these "services" that are generally free. So your data has ALWAYS been a potential source to generate revenue and "value" for a cloud provider and accessible by them at any time regardless of what they say. THEY make the locks AND the keys, so the math there adds up to full access to the shit you put out there. And before the "yeah, but's" start... Just stop at "yeah". The point is once it's out of your immediate control, it is in the possession of whoever is running the service and used according to the TOS's that are always moving goalposts to the advantage of the provider of that service.
And since virtually all the apps on your phone require some kind of service access, your data is their open book. Assuming otherwise is... unwise.
I'm paranoid about backups. I have both cloud backups AND an unencrypted hard copy on portable hard drives sitting in my bank lockbox with some notes joined to my testament on how to access it.I think this is my plan. I just need to make sure it's reliable enough for family use.
TFA: This menu will offer pre-formed prompts based on popular in-app edits. Some of the options you’ll see include “put me in a high fashion photoshoot,” “create a professional headshot,” and “put me in a winter holiday card.”
Not a fan of Google, nor do I use this app, but - I scan slides and negatives from my earlier photographs. A time-consuming PITA is removing dust and scratches. If this could actually do as good a job as I do when I spend 30 minutes on an image, I'd think about consorting with the Dark Side.
Tested it with a file I downloaded on the internet. Asked Google Photos to remove dust and scratches. Took 7 seconds. Here was the end result. Curious to see other examples of this.See that sounds like the perfect use-case for an AI tool. Unfortunately I think you'd need one designed for that task; I think the more comprehensive, generative tools like Google's have too high of a tendency to make shit up.
Also I thought I'd maybe try this out (I don't use Photos often). To even use the tool, you need to agreed to allow Google Photos to organize your photos by similar faces. Not sure I want that, so I haven't tried it yet.
Reading comprehension fail mate - Google "face groups" != Facebook Groups.This tells me it's not local:
Assuming that's using Facebook's private face groups, it access the Internet, and therefore does NOT operate entirely locally.
It's doing some odd eye stuff, lifting brows and changing eyelines to off-cameraTested it with a file I downloaded on the internet. Asked Google Photos to remove dust and scratches. Took 7 seconds. Here was the end result. Curious to see other examples of this.
I'm still so pissed about that. Also, auto crop.. Literally the only one single editing tool that i ever used was removed and regular cropping got worse. I more have to use the Google photo scan app for this workflow.Sigh, another recent Android update for Photos was a "downgrade" (IMO) in terms of ease-of-use for the editing tools.
Add in AI slop and the app is gonna be full trash soon
(edit) Example: the "crop" tool used to have crisp sharp corners, and now they are big fat rounded corners, and the image itself is presented with rounded-off corners. WHY? If you want to crop the image to a very specific corner spot, it's obscured in dumb rounded image corners.
Google’s dream is you pay them for every prompt, they sell your data to anyone who wants it, who then also pays Google to adjust prompt weightings in whatever way benefits them the most. And once the model is trained they (ideally) can scale this as big as they want with minimal added costs. Infinite upside potential in their mind.This is a serious question that has been bothering me.
What exactly is the market reason for companies shoving AI down our throats so aggressively? I can understand developing new features, showing where options are, even adding buttons--but the degree to which it's being pushed and how hard it is to turn off (if it can be turned off at all) is what I find hard to understand.
Dropped social a long time ago, just Bluesky left for some basic use.Social media naturally trends towards everything being fake. In a world of emotionally shattered clout chasers and scammers, free yourself by not participating.
A glimmer of hope - maybe.Why would you even ask that? Wait... are you still holding out hope for humanity?
Didn't Google got "diagnosed" like 10 years ago with their cancerous company culture as the source of their behaviour? Academy is rotting thanks to "publish or die" and they have "new product or die", leniently allowing "innovative updates" as another path to promotion.Sick of UI changes
i have the same questions. what is even the point of taking a photo if you are going to generate the whole thing in the end anyways? and what is the point of generating the whole thing if it's equivalent to a short sentence... just send the prompt to others and save battery and bandwidth.I don't like where these image edits are going (see opening image). Changing people's facial expressions, adding open eyes were they are closed and other artificial 'improvements' just alter what actually happened.
Do users really feel they need to upload these 'artificial moments' to their social streams - pretending they are real - to stay seen in the social cesspit?
why generate the image at all, just share the prompt. less bandwidth, less battery used...Why even take a photo in the first place? Just have AI generate the fake slop from the start and save some time!
I recently setup a home server running Jellyfin - it basically turns my media collection into a self hosted streaming app experience. seems pretty awesome and pretty easy so far.I'd love an Ars article about building a NAS to combat rising streaming costs, and another one about locally run AI models that are actually useful. I enjoy the practice of putting a disc in the player, and I just use an external HDD as a backup for photos/etc., but I'd love to have an easy starting point if/when I want to start that project.
I'd love for Ars to do a whole series on self-hosting, to help people learn how to get off of big tech. Apps like Immich and Nextcloud are absolutely amazing for keeping your data private, while sacrificing very little in terms of experience. Not without some technical knowledge needed up-front, but it's becoming easier every day.I've been running Immich of my NAS for few months, so far it's been a great experience. And it looks so much like Google Photos, it's crazy.