GM’s Super Cruise passes a billion driven miles since 2017
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(i'm one of those: a new Bolt would be perfect for my use case: and it isn't on the list because of no CarPlay)
The other aspect is that the SuperCruise geofencing, last time I looked, was very limited on Canadian highways
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(i'm one of those: a new Bolt would be perfect for my use case: and it isn't on the list because of no CarPlay)
The other aspect is that the SuperCruise geofencing, last time I looked, was very limited on Canadian highways
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If Super Cruise is able to completely replace my role as a driver, then I won’t care whether the car has CarPlay or not.
Unfortunately, until then, it seems like I won’t get to experience what seems to be (from reading articles at least), the best autonomous driving available.
Unfortunately, until then, it seems like I won’t get to experience what seems to be (from reading articles at least), the best autonomous driving available.
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If it’s anything like Tesla, it’s incredibly easy to add carplay via a second screen. It’s still nice to have carplay (and presumably android auto if thats your thing). Its even easy to add stalks to a Tesla - not that this is an issue for GM.
It would be good to see another US manufacturer who is doing autonomy - it is the future, and to some degree already the present (eg waymo). If other manufacturers don’t do autonomy now, they will be negotiating with those that can do it soon.
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It would be good to see another US manufacturer who is doing autonomy - it is the future, and to some degree already the present (eg waymo). If other manufacturers don’t do autonomy now, they will be negotiating with those that can do it soon.
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having never used it, is supercruise functionally equivalent to tesla's advanced autopilot?
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The number of accidents is an important metric. It isn't really self-driving unless the automaker can accept liability in a accident. I think Mercedes did this for a hot minute on some freeways in Germany.
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If Musk and Tesla had pushed their semi-autonomous driving like this, rather than calling it Full Self Driving, they wouldn’t be getting sued for fraud.
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According to an Oct 2025 article on Motor Illustrated there have been zero crashes reported while Super Cruise was active.
Super Cruise is also designed to disengage if the driver isn't sufficiently paying attention, as noted in the article. So, the disengagement statistic isn't as clear an indicator of technology sophistication or safety, which seems to be the point of your questions.
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It sounds interesting and all, but it still doesn't solve the major utility test that I have:
Can I read a book while it does the driving?
If not, it's kind of worthless. Why do I care if it's auto-piloting for me on the interstate if I still need to pay attention to the road? Actually working the wheel and pedals isnt the annoying bit of highway driving, it's sitting there and paying attention to, you know, driving and the road.
If they get to the point where it's fully automated and I can just sit there reading a book while the car takes me where I want to go then I'm extremely interested. That makes car commutes way, way less annoying.
But until then, nah.
Can I read a book while it does the driving?
If not, it's kind of worthless. Why do I care if it's auto-piloting for me on the interstate if I still need to pay attention to the road? Actually working the wheel and pedals isnt the annoying bit of highway driving, it's sitting there and paying attention to, you know, driving and the road.
If they get to the point where it's fully automated and I can just sit there reading a book while the car takes me where I want to go then I'm extremely interested. That makes car commutes way, way less annoying.
But until then, nah.
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The price they want for this to run on my Bolt EUV is astounding given how limited and non-updated it is. At least give me the hands temporarily on wheel through red lights option they surveyed a couple of years ago...
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I'm not tacking a second display to my dash area for carplay/android auto. I cry a little inside at all the people with Teslas who have phone mounts still! When we have giant integrated screens please just give people the existing and free way to mirror their phone info that system.
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Related in general to self driving (no matter what the flavor).
How are laws keeping up with self driving? If I'm manually driving and have a phone in my hand then that's distracted driving. But at some level of self driving, it won't be distracted driving (although I'm not sure if there currently is any solution that does not require the driver to pay attention)
With lane keeping, adaptive cruise control, and automatic breaking, my Forester doesn't even beep at me until it thinks I haven't touched the steering wheel for 30 seconds.
Has there been any consideration of this by lawmakers about this topic?
How are laws keeping up with self driving? If I'm manually driving and have a phone in my hand then that's distracted driving. But at some level of self driving, it won't be distracted driving (although I'm not sure if there currently is any solution that does not require the driver to pay attention)
With lane keeping, adaptive cruise control, and automatic breaking, my Forester doesn't even beep at me until it thinks I haven't touched the steering wheel for 30 seconds.
Has there been any consideration of this by lawmakers about this topic?
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Perfect is the enemy of good.
I can't read a book with my Forester when lane keeping and adaptive cruise control are in play. But it does reduce my driving effort, which makes me safer overall.
Case in point. This last week there have been extreme wind conditions in my area. When I was driving in these conditions I was using the lane keeping instead of manually fighting the wind by pulling on the steering wheel.
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This article is prescient as I just drove my parent's GMC Acadia with Super Cruise last night and it was amazing! I'm a die-hard Apple user who loves my CarPlay, but I'd be very tempted to buy a GM that doesn't have it as long as it has Super Cruise. It works and I'm a skeptic, but I'd pay good money for it.
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I've used both SuperCruise (2026 Escalade) and Autopilot (2023 Model Y) and they are worlds apart.
SuperCruise still makes downright dangerous moves - e.g. changing lanes and losing track of the lane and suddenly switching off with the car veering across lanes. It randomly deactivates along Central Texas' ever-changing highways. Etc. It's somewhat ok when it works, but it feels like a technology in its infancy. Still.
Autopilot on the other hand works. I had it drive all the way from a neighborhood in San Antonio, TX to a neighborhood in Austin, TX and did not have to intervene a single time. I've had Teslas since 2018 and the progress is staggering.
In summary, to me SuperCruise feels like Tesla Autopilot from 5-6 years ago.
SuperCruise still makes downright dangerous moves - e.g. changing lanes and losing track of the lane and suddenly switching off with the car veering across lanes. It randomly deactivates along Central Texas' ever-changing highways. Etc. It's somewhat ok when it works, but it feels like a technology in its infancy. Still.
Autopilot on the other hand works. I had it drive all the way from a neighborhood in San Antonio, TX to a neighborhood in Austin, TX and did not have to intervene a single time. I've had Teslas since 2018 and the progress is staggering.
In summary, to me SuperCruise feels like Tesla Autopilot from 5-6 years ago.
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It is impressive how in the last 5 to 7 years, due to Elon Musk hyping AI and robots, he has managed to squander every technical lead that Tesla once had.
Tesla once had the highest range BEVs - no longer
Tesla once had the most efficient BEVs - no longer
Tesla once had the highest power charging network - no longer
Tesla once had the most capable driver assistance system - no longer
Tesla once sold the most BEV per year - no longer
Peak Tesla as a car company was 2017-2020 when they release Model 3 and ramped it up to 500k units a year. All they had to do at that point was build additional models and improve their vehicles. Since then they haven't done much of anything real. FSD, Tesla Semi, Roadster, robo taxi, and those stupid robots are all in some level of vaporware.
Tesla once had the highest range BEVs - no longer
Tesla once had the most efficient BEVs - no longer
Tesla once had the highest power charging network - no longer
Tesla once had the most capable driver assistance system - no longer
Tesla once sold the most BEV per year - no longer
Peak Tesla as a car company was 2017-2020 when they release Model 3 and ramped it up to 500k units a year. All they had to do at that point was build additional models and improve their vehicles. Since then they haven't done much of anything real. FSD, Tesla Semi, Roadster, robo taxi, and those stupid robots are all in some level of vaporware.
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Working the controls is absolutely an annoying bit of interstate driving. I've had cars ranging from no assist at all to hands-free ADAS. Holding the throttle exactly in one position for hours on end is more than annoying, it's straight up uncomfortable. Steering is slightly less annoying, but it still sucks holding your arms outstretched hour after hour.
The more the car does for you, the less fatiguing long distance driving is. I find it easier to sit an pay attention to what's going on when I'm worrying about the cramp in my calf or the ache in my shoulders.
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You cry? I laugh. Their so advanced car can't even do the shit the tiny computer in their pocket does.
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It also won't fail to take the exit and slam into a concrete barrier, so that's a plus over the Tesla.
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That's why I drive with a 5-7 hand position on long distance freeway drives
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Hold your arms out long enough in any position and you fatigue.
I drove like 1100 miles on a recent trip and it was nice to just sit back and cross my arms for awhile.
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I drive around with one of those stupid dash mounts, and my car has built-in wired carplay. I much prefer having my map and next turn up in my line of sight than taking my eyes fully off the road to look down inside the car and refocus on that screen. There's a junky camera on the unit too - it's probably worthless if i actually need it some day. Since the car also has satnav software for the built-in screen, i just leave that running and zoomed out to show more of the region, with north alignment rather than my current heading.
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What counts as "active". Didn't Tesla treated some accidents as not FSD active if the system had disengaged a few seconds before the accident?
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It's not self-driving.
It's hands-free. You're expected to monitor the road and take back control at any point. Although, while I don't have experience with SuperCruise, I do have experience with Ford's version, Blue-Cruise. And I gotta say, on the divided highways it worked on, it worked incredibly well. It not only handled regular highway driving, but handled navigating temporarily drawn lines (construction reasons), and handled stop/go traffic jam situations without my intervention. I tested this on Ontario Highways 69 and 401
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What the hell? You have the steering wheel basically tucked between your wide-spread legs? I fail to see how the geometry of what you describe counts as safe and comfortable.
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It is comfortable and safe. Because you can't picture it doesn't make it not so.
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Maybe they're very short, specifically in the legs. My mother is quite short and I can't even get in her car without moving at least the seat first, but if I did somehow squish my ass into the seat, I could pull that off. I'd be contorted like a pretzel and you'd probably have to cut me out of the car, but I'd be in the right position for that
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It's articles like this that first make me wonder, then I wonder why I wonder and relax.
I'll never be in the position to own a car like this. Ever. So it doesn't matter. The preferences and tastes and wants of the current generation of drivers, hey, have fun.
Just please don't let your car fucking kill me as I continue to Fred Flintsone my way like it's 1999 down the highway in my near turn of the century Ancientmobile. My hands will always be on the wheel. And I'll never be driving it if I have any concerns about my abilities to do it safely.
You can't say the same about electronics. And those glitch often enough to make it a problem. Not as much as a human on a cumulative basis. But "safer" doesn't mean "safe". And trust is hard won in my house.
Time marches on. I get that. I just don't like the beat.
I'll never be in the position to own a car like this. Ever. So it doesn't matter. The preferences and tastes and wants of the current generation of drivers, hey, have fun.
Just please don't let your car fucking kill me as I continue to Fred Flintsone my way like it's 1999 down the highway in my near turn of the century Ancientmobile. My hands will always be on the wheel. And I'll never be driving it if I have any concerns about my abilities to do it safely.
You can't say the same about electronics. And those glitch often enough to make it a problem. Not as much as a human on a cumulative basis. But "safer" doesn't mean "safe". And trust is hard won in my house.
Time marches on. I get that. I just don't like the beat.
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I have used supercruise extensively on a 2025 model year Chevrolet, most recently on a trip from Houston to Arizona and back. I had it on >50% of interstate miles. I think it is a great feature. Those that say it isn't what Tesla's autopilot is are correct in their assessment. I still have to maintain focus on the road the whole time to prevent it from deactivating (which until there is actual fully automated driving that is proven safe, should absolutely be a requirement; get on a plane or ride as a passenger if you want to read a book or whatever the hell else people feel is important to do while driving). I personally think it has made me a better driver. Since I have used it for thousands of miles, its helped train me to only take brief glances off the road at a time. And it definitely helps on long road trips to prevent tightness in my shoulders and back as I am not holding the steering wheel for hours. I am skeptical of GM's claim that 0 accidents have occurred with supercruise engaged, but I also think its a good sign there haven't been any high profile accidents.
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These systems with proper driver monitoring are almost certainly safer than analog cars. You can't even look at your mirrors for too long without getting nagged to pay attention.
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People would rather put themselves in a situation filled with unknowns rather than actually paying attention and driving their car. This befuddles me.
Having worked in software for 30 years, noticing Tesla FSD cars in traffic and the maddening hesitancy with which they are driven, it’s really difficult to imagine giving up control of the vehicle that I am driving and which could saddle me with massive liability at any moment.
I like driving. Making every car learn how to drive itself so people can sit and doodle on a phone while they’re on the way to work is so typically American.
So, what’s the attraction? Need more uninterrupted fractional attention moments? Don’t like driving? Too proud to take public transit?
Having worked in software for 30 years, noticing Tesla FSD cars in traffic and the maddening hesitancy with which they are driven, it’s really difficult to imagine giving up control of the vehicle that I am driving and which could saddle me with massive liability at any moment.
I like driving. Making every car learn how to drive itself so people can sit and doodle on a phone while they’re on the way to work is so typically American.
So, what’s the attraction? Need more uninterrupted fractional attention moments? Don’t like driving? Too proud to take public transit?
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So you’re telling me that staying focussed and paying attention while driving could eliminate the added cost and complexity needed for these unfinished systems?
Fascinating.
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You're presupposing that public transit exists in all cases. I regularly drive 2 to 3 hours to visit various places for which there is zero public transit accessibility.
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I like driving. I love driving actually. I'll make excuses to go driving since otherwise I could go a week or more without leaving the house.
Sitting on an interstate for hours is not driving. There's nothing fun about cruising at set speed for 30 minutes then slowing down because a bunch of trucks decided they need to pass another truck at ∆1mph, slowing down for that 15 minute maneuver, then going back to cruising. That's tedious as best. There are no decisions to make other than move over to pass then move back when you're done. There's no skill. There's no reward. Interstate cruising is to driving what making microwave noodle cups is to cooking.
These systems aren't about allowing you to do something else with your attention. You have to pay more attention than in cars without them. I see people with "regular" cars watching fucking videos on their phone mounted to the windshield all the time.
It's about reducing fatigue and forcing the driver to do what they're actually there to do, which is watch the damn road and anticipate the unexpected.
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To be fair, he was so far down a K-hole, anything seemed possible.
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Driver monitoring can be implemented on any vehicle with or without ADAS, let's set that aside. (besides, situational awareness while driving requires more than staring straight ahead) If we are talking specifically about ADAS, you may drive more safely that way, but some folks - like that guy in a Tesla playing phone games until being driven into a concrete barrier, will use it less safely. You can't undo the human tendency to have a longer response time when fewer responses are required. I'm speaking statistically about the general driver population, I'm sure there is a cohort that truly is more safe with ADAS.
If driving is fatiguing, it is time for a break, or swapping drivers.
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