French three strikes agency getting 25,000 complaints a day

Are the music labels sending France's new "three strikes" P2P infringement cop 25,000 complaints a day? Still no word yet on how many notices Hadopi is sending to French ISPs.

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[coreycubed]

↓↘→● HADOPI!

 

[rix1979]

Yet another ill-conceived anti-piracy measure... sigh... I miss the days of "Don't Copy That Floppy!"

If you don't know what I'm talking about... just put the words in quotes into You Tube.

 

[fatimid08]

How exactly are they expecting to compare normal growth because people are ditching CDs and going to stores for iTunes with growth due to a reduction in piracy? Or are they going to put it all together and say these absurd measures are working?

 

[corkbender]

rights holders hope that legal digital sales will go up, and alleged infringements will go down.

Digital sales supposed to go up if people are denied access to the net? That seems, erm, backwards somehow.

 

[Game_Ender]

</troll>
These people don't want to work two extra years, and are willing to shutdown their entire country to make the point. Do you think they would be willing to pay for music when you can get it for free?
</troll>

 

[C Boy]

It might be easier for them to just cut off the entire country and start white listing verified users.

 

[blither]

Yet another ill-conceived anti-piracy measure... sigh... I miss the days of "Don't Copy That Floppy!"

If you don't know what I'm talking about... just put the words in quotes into You Tube.

Love it...there was another really good one I can't remember the name of it. But the good old days of people not caring, or at least saying you should but don't doing anything about it if you did.

 

[MatthiasF]

LOL@Game_Ender

 

[bunnyblaster]

I suspect that everyone in France will be banned in 2 years. No more internet.

Perhaps that was always the intention of these copyright moguls? Remove internet and go back to the dark ages where we have cassettes that break over time.

This is getting ridiculous.

Music piracy will always exist in a form. They either accept it and adapt or keep pissing away money and transferring what their profits to the lawyers, who will happily take it.

 

[ReaderBot]

25,000 complaints per day? I would call that a DOS attack, if Hadopi is funded anything like typical US agencies (i.e. grossly underfunded). Even if these are legitimate complaints from media companies, and not just troll complaints from Anonymous, this is a DOS attack.

 

[Ins@nity]

25,000 complaints per day? I would call that a DOS attack, if Hadopi is funded anything like typical US agencies (i.e. grossly underfunded). Even if these are legitimate complaints from media companies, and not just troll complaints from Anonymous, this is a DOS attack.

I read that as the Labels were generating complaints about individual P2P users.

Billboard.biz says that French labels are sending 25,000 complaints a day to Hadopi, the agency enforcing that country's "three strikes" law.

 

[Lbaxter]

I wonder what kind of burden of proof the rightsholders have? Can they just jack in any IP and say warn this person? Or do they have to say we caught IP X, downloading Y, on Z date, and here's the proof?

Personally, I think it's be funny to put in the IP scope of French Parliament.

 

[Morbus]

Who cares about this besides the French? Actually, I don't even think the French do care about this, seeing as how they're all up in arms about having to work til their 62. OMFG. Wake up you guys! Over here where I live we work until 65 and the government is trying to make us work until we're 70, and nobody cares. At least while we're working we have money. And if you don't like your job, you should kill yourself or get another job.

Or start liking it.

 

[Maran Garand]

Who cares about this besides the French? Actually, I don't even think the French do care about this, seeing as how they're all up in arms about having to work til their 62. OMFG. Wake up you guys! Over here where I live we work until 65 and the government is trying to make us work until we're 70, and nobody cares. At least while we're working we have money. And if you don't like your job, you should kill yourself or get another job.

Or start liking it.

If I understand correctly, the 60 to 62 is for early retirement. Regular retirement goes from 65 to 67 as well. Although most of the reporting just reports early retirement age.

So not really as different from the US as it first sounds from most news reports, I think.

 

[William Topping]

why bother downloading? youtube is quite good these days... and, well you can rip straight to mp3. Oh, you're worried about the sound quality? Mp3? really. lol.

No different than taping off the radio...

 

[Chimel31]

I say play their game, inundate the hot lines of both Hadopi and the ISPs, write complaints letters on paper, reply that no one in your household downloaded that song or movie to deny the accusation, any measure you can think of to break the Hadopi machine.
Hasn't Anonymous targeted Hadopi yet?

 

[Chimel31]

No different than taping off the radio...

Which is why I don't tap the radio, or know anybody who does.

 

[Deleted member 192806]

The usual commentary and no one's asked the question, just how bad is the illegal copyright infringement problem? Technology is suppose to make the process easier so any particular reason for there to be low numbers?

 

[Narishma]

Who cares about this besides the French? Actually, I don't even think the French do care about this, seeing as how they're all up in arms about having to work til their 62. OMFG. Wake up you guys! Over here where I live we work until 65 and the government is trying to make us work until we're 70, and nobody cares. At least while we're working we have money. And if you don't like your job, you should kill yourself or get another job.

Or start liking it.

This is a misconception that's been spread a lot recently by the international media.
The retirement age for most French people is 65 and the government want to raise it to 67. 60 is the minimum age at which you can retire, but then you only get a small fraction of the pension so most people only retire at 65. There are some exceptions for people who started working very young, as well as those who do physically difficult work.

 

[mgiangr]

And what happens if sales DON'T go up?

 

[boranin]

Who cares about this besides the French? Actually, I don't even think the French do care about this, seeing as how they're all up in arms about having to work til their 62. OMFG. Wake up you guys! Over here where I live we work until 65 and the government is trying to make us work until we're 70, and nobody cares. At least while we're working we have money. And if you don't like your job, you should kill yourself or get another job.

Or start liking it.

I assume you live in the US.

 

[RojBlake]

It's kind of weird that the article title asserts that something's happening...but then the very first line of its description questions whether or not that same thing is happening.

Er...

 

[RojBlake]

This is a misconception that's been spread a lot recently by the international media.
The retirement age for most French people is 65 and the government want to raise it to 67. 60 is the minimum age at which you can retire, but then you only get a small fraction of the pension so most people only retire at 65. There are some exceptions for people who started working very young, as well as those who do physically difficult work.

It's not really a misconception. The UK, for example, works in exactly the same way: there's a minimum retirement age at which you get a smaller pension, but if you choose not to claim it and wait then you get a bigger pension later. The minimum retirement age in the UK? 65. So in fact it is reasonable to make the 60 vs. 65 comparison - the minimum age is the most relevant factor: in places like the UK you simply can't retire at 60 and get a state pension. In France, you can.

(Note that this should not be taken as a vote against the French system. I sympathize with their anger 100% and wish that other countries would try to follow their model of shorter working days, longer holidays, and lower retirement ages. They're Doing It Right. Unfortunately, it looks like they're forgetting that.)

 

[kirkage]

↓↘→● HADOPI!

Hah

 

[duncansil]

Like a blind truck driver ...

I get the feeling the French citizenary is thumbing it's collective nose at the government on this issue. Go ahead ... Just try to litigate 25,000 infringements per day. Legislation, enforcement is bound to fail and only has the opposite effect intended. Someone who understands technology and social dynamics should be in charge of crafting solutions to this problem, best to look outside the government rolls for that, lol.

 

[Deleted member 192806]

(Note that this should not be taken as a vote against the French system. I sympathize with their anger 100% and wish that other countries would try to follow their model of shorter working days, longer holidays, and lower retirement ages. They're Doing It Right. Unfortunately, it looks like they're forgetting that.)

Well then to keep doing the right thing means they have to take out more of each paycheck.

 

[darkowl]

And what happens if sales DON'T go up?

Then they will keep on oppressing the general populace until they do!

 

[CaveHermit]

At 25K per day.. By my inacurated calculations from March 10 this year that is a whopping 5.7 MILLION complaints..

 

[Yzoral]

I suspect that everyone in France will be banned in 2 years. No more internet.

Perhaps that was always the intention of these copyright moguls? Remove internet and go back to the dark ages where we have cassettes that break over time.

This is getting ridiculous.

Music piracy will always exist in a form. They either accept it and adapt or keep pissing away money and transferring what their profits to the lawyers, who will happily take it.

HADOPI is defiantly going to bankrupt French ISPs by destroying their own customers.

I think it's maybe obvious that the plot behind this is to simply kick the working classes off the internet so the capitalists would have it all reserved to themselves (basically the true agenda is privatization of the internet).

Infact here is very important articles to consider reading and coming back to this article to see what's going on:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1977819,00.asp

http://www.marxist.com/capitalism-inter ... 130306.htm

I think it's worth realizing that Free open internet and Capitalism are incompatible.

 

[Seraphiel]

That's just it isn't it? "Alleged" infringements. What are the rules of evidence for this Hadopi agency? What opportunities are the accused given to respond to the accusations?

 

[knbgnu]

I suspect that everyone in France will be banned in 2 years. No more internet.

Perhaps that was always the intention of these copyright moguls? Remove internet and go back to the dark ages where we have cassettes that break over time.

This is getting ridiculous.

Music piracy will always exist in a form. They either accept it and adapt or keep pissing away money and transferring what their profits to the lawyers, who will happily take it.

HADOPI is defiantly going to bankrupt French ISPs by destroying their own customers.

I think it's maybe obvious that the plot behind this is to simply kick the working classes off the internet so the capitalists would have it all reserved to themselves (basically the true agenda is privatization of the internet).

Infact here is very important articles to consider reading and coming back to this article to see what's going on:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1977819,00.asp

http://www.marxist.com/capitalism-inter ... 130306.htm

I think it's worth realizing that Free open internet and Capitalism are incompatible.

Don't attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence. The media conglomerates probably think that this will make them more money. Also, using the government to do your dirty work regardless of how practical enforcement is isn't exactly 'capitalism' by most standards.

 

[Yzoral]

I suspect that everyone in France will be banned in 2 years. No more internet.

Perhaps that was always the intention of these copyright moguls? Remove internet and go back to the dark ages where we have cassettes that break over time.

This is getting ridiculous.

Music piracy will always exist in a form. They either accept it and adapt or keep pissing away money and transferring what their profits to the lawyers, who will happily take it.

HADOPI is defiantly going to bankrupt French ISPs by destroying their own customers.

I think it's maybe obvious that the plot behind this is to simply kick the working classes off the internet so the capitalists would have it all reserved to themselves (basically the true agenda is privatization of the internet).

Infact here is very important articles to consider reading and coming back to this article to see what's going on:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1977819,00.asp

http://www.marxist.com/capitalism-inter ... 130306.htm

I think it's worth realizing that Free open internet and Capitalism are incompatible.

Don't attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence. The media conglomerates probably think that this will make them more money. Also, using the government to do your dirty work regardless of how practical enforcement is isn't exactly 'capitalism' by most standards.

I think your forgetting the fact that the Government only represents the will of the privileged wealthy few not the working classes. This is what capitalism is.

 

[Traddy]

25,000 complaints per day? I would call that a DOS attack, if Hadopi is funded anything like typical US agencies (i.e. grossly underfunded). Even if these are legitimate complaints from media companies, and not just troll complaints from Anonymous, this is a DOS attack.

I read that as the Labels were generating complaints about individual P2P users.

Billboard.biz says that French labels are sending 25,000 complaints a day to Hadopi, the agency enforcing that country's "three strikes" law.

-Or it could be 25,000 complaints about one seriously ethically challenged network printer.

 

[knbgnu]

I guess you don't really understand how the capitalist system really works nor I don't think you gained class consciousness (try reading political science and come back to me). The government is only a shadow of who controls the means of production which happen to be the capitalists not the people below them (working classes/shareholders/etc) since we're just designed to be their slaves. The Government is only there to protect them from us.

I think your also forgetting the fact that Capitalism is main root of the problem here.

I understand how capitalism works on paper, and i know how reality differs from that, as well as quite a few alternative system. It's the combination of the government enforcing the corporate interests that is the problem here. You can argue that there are other problems, but without the government enforcing "IP", there won't be media conglomerates of the same scale.

Copyright and patents have nothing to do with a free market, and they are designed to fix market failure (supposedly in the form of externalities involved in the drastic difference in the cost of initial production and the cost of reproduction).

 

[i_dont_wear_pants_to_work]

 

[Kaiser Sosei]

No different than taping off the radio...

Which is why I don't tap the radio, or know anybody who does.

Man, I'd tap that radio. I'd tap it like a pony keg. Bang it around, wouldn't even worry about getting my deposit back.

 

[hanser]

why bother downloading? youtube is quite good these days... and, well you can rip straight to mp3. Oh, you're worried about the sound quality? Mp3? really. lol.

No different than taping off the radio...

Well if you're copying the sound from YouTube, yes it does sound like radio. But if you're doing it from a CD or something using LAME? Not exactly...

 

[leblancp]

There is a report available that quotes vastly different numbers : (1000/2000 per day).
The really interresting bit in that report is tht 8 to 12% of the reported Ips are either wrong or cannot be assigned to someone. FUD anyone ?
http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/60008 ... -email.htm (french).

 

[Clovis42]

Who cares about this besides the French? Actually, I don't even think the French do care about this, seeing as how they're all up in arms about having to work til their 62. OMFG. Wake up you guys! Over here where I live we work until 65 and the government is trying to make us work until we're 70, and nobody cares. At least while we're working we have money. And if you don't like your job, you should kill yourself or get another job.

Or start liking it.

What are you talking about? You can retire whenever you want to in the US.

Oh, you meant you can't draw Social Security. Sure, if you plan on living on SS, then you might have to wait until you are in your late 60s. You might want to look into saving money on your own. I don't think SS will ever go away (old people vote, case closed), but it is really not difficult to retire at a much younger age in the US with just a little financial planning.

I assume this is the case in other countries too. Retirement would be pretty simple in the US if we could have managed to get some free health care. That's the only thing I really worry about: freakin' health insurance.