However, the cars should also produce around 55 percent less drag, says the sport’s organizers, the FIA. The reason for the big decrease in drag down the straights is because of the new powertrains.
The reason for the lower drag is because of the new powertrains ... very indirectly.Can anyone help me understand this part? How does the drivetrain reduce drag so much - did the MGU-H sap power that badly while full throttle on the straights? I'd think that the drag gains mostly come from the active aero, not the powertrains?
There are street driven equivalents - some cars have extra power modes that are only available for a short period due to heat management. So you can get your "boost mode", but only for a short period for solid mechanical reasons. It becomes a tactical tool, just like battery management is today.I hate it that various racing series are playing these contrived “boost mode” games with engine power. Get the power you want through the long, skinny pedal only. If you’ve artificially hamstrung an engine, your not really racing anymore, your just putting on a show.
Its like an amplifier that goes to 11…
I had a chance to have a long talk with one of Lewis' powertrain engineers around 2015 or so. He said that there was a distinct difference between the two Mercedes drivers as to how much they could manage in the cockpit. You could load Lewis up with a bunch of tasks, while Nico needed them one at a time.At some point does fiddling with all these modes mid-battle cause an unsafe distraction to the drivers? Throw in weather changes on the fly, failures, etc...
Aston Martin already has that. It is installed by default in their second car.Can we get a Lance Stroll mode which makes the car act randomly?
You could have that in a spec series. Which is not F1. There are plenty of options.DRS, push to pass..gimmicks.
Take off the wings, and get rid of the gimmicks. You'll see the difference between good and bad drivers.
I believe the assertion here is that in order to be relevant, power units need to be similar to what we find in road cars. I.e. hybrid and turbo charged. I fundamentally disagree with this assertion. I don't think anyone who loves their hybrid is now going to become an F1 fan because the cars are hybridized. People like the sport because it's exciting, cool, and the drivers have reality show drama. I'd argue that making the cars sound cooler, done through making them NA, would achieve greater relevance. Also, is it not a slight insult to our intelligence to suggest that by making the cars hybrid, somehow makes them like what we drive.F1 CEO Stefano Domenicali rejected that idea. “F1 needs to be relevant...
It will be particularly tactical as the Overtake mode can be used anywhere on the track, unlike DRS which was limited to zones. The following driver will have to be in a defined gap to the driver in front, which I understand will change track-to-track. The potential good thing about the Overtake mode is that it is inherently limited by what the driver has harvested, so drivers will have to be careful about the best time to deploy it. Hopefully we will see passes in places that aren't considered passing spots now. I'm glad they didn't go with the original name of Manual Override Mode, which would have lead to people moaning about "easy MOM passes".There are street driven equivalents - some cars have extra power modes that are only available for a short period due to heat management. So you can get your "boost mode", but only for a short period for solid mechanical reasons. It becomes a tactical tool, just like battery management is today.
Back when you could tell the race was canceled due to the lack of any funerals. No wonder that comment is sitting at -10.I hear that. Heck, I miss 1960s and 1970s F1 cars and rules.
They don't mean relevant to the fans, they mean relevant to the manufacturers future cars. No amount of R&D on naturally aspirated engines is relevant for future consumer vehicles. Hybrids and turbos ARE relevant for future consumer vehicles.I believe the assertion here is that in order to be relevant, power units need to be similar to what we find in road cars. I.e. hybrid and turbo charged. I fundamentally disagree with this assertion. I don't think anyone who loves their hybrid is now going to become an F1 fan because the cars are hybridized. People like the sport because it's exciting, cool, and the drivers have reality show drama. I'd argue that making the cars sound cooler, done through making them NA, would achieve greater relevance. Also, is it not a slight insult to our intelligence to suggest that by making the cars hybrid, somehow makes them like what we drive.
I'd argue that they're gimmicks on the road as much as on the racetrack. Most of the cars with overboost modes already have plenty of power. If your 911 Turbo can't make an overtake at full throttle, overboost mode isn't going to help you.There are street driven equivalents - some cars have extra power modes that are only available for a short period due to heat management. So you can get your "boost mode", but only for a short period for solid mechanical reasons. It becomes a tactical tool, just like battery management is today.
Add some tire flame trails a la Back to the Future and Rocket League while you're at it.You know, they could install lights and smoke effects on the cars to get special effects tied to each mode. That would increase the spectacle allright!
Tie that with a soud effect on the tv broadcast and we could see a car intermitently glow while an off voice calls BOOOST MODE!
Bonus points if the phisical changes are actually perceptible!
Aerodynamics are hard. Not gonna pretend like I know anything in that field, but have remembered hearing about how the tires/wheels are an interesting aerodynamic problem themselves. Add in the fixed and rotating brake elements among everything else going on in that region, I can't imagine makes it any less complicated. And then you add in the heat and cooling requirements of braking, kinda wonder how/if the varying temperature extremes play into aero as well.Hold up... did that guy say that air turbulence from the insides of the front brake drums was a significant cause of worse downforce for the next car behind?
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Ah ok, thanks for the explanation. The thing that's confused (and/or annoyed) me about F1 in the modern era is the zone limited stuff. I've always just wondered why can't the various tools be used whenever/wherever? Do the new rules free everything up or are there still limitations on them? Like is Overtake mode only for overtaking (or defense?) situations or can it be freely used as a strategic speed up anywhere? Are the active aero controls mandated by zones or can drivers change them on the fly, or automated to some extent for safety reasons?It will be particularly tactical as the Overtake mode can be used anywhere on the track, unlike DRS which was limited to zones. The following driver will have to be in a defined gap to the driver in front, which I understand will change track-to-track. The potential good thing about the Overtake mode is that it is inherently limited by what the driver has harvested, so drivers will have to be careful about the best time to deploy it. Hopefully we will see passes in places that aren't considered passing spots now. I'm glad they didn't go with the original name of Manual Override Mode, which would have lead to people moaning about "easy MOM passes".
They're like the "Turbo" button on older PCs. Sales gimmicks to make fools part with their money. As you state, no way in hell, does a 911 Turbo not have enough "power" for any daily driving situation. The only place a "boost mode" can help is at the track.I'd argue that they're gimmicks on the road as much as on the racetrack. Most of the cars with overboost modes already have plenty of power. If your 911 Turbo can't make an overtake at full throttle, overboost mode isn't going to help you.
But prettier looking cars.The 90's had all sorts of rules and restrictions implemented because of teams technical innovations at the time, just some examples of things banned or rules implemented:
- Active suspension
- Electronic drive aides
- Plank wear limits were strictly enforced
- Flexible Aero became more strictly enforced
- ECU's became tightly regulated
If you were a fan of the teams that had developed any of these technologies or ways around existing rules and were successful because of it, you would have been fuming. Let's not pretend the 90's was free of any F1 regulation changes that drastically changed how a team could succeed.
So do I. Rules at least held for a season or two before see-sawing. And the cars were much better looking.I miss late 1990s F1…cars and rules.
Compare the silhouette of an F1 car from the 80s or 90s to present. They were a lot small then.The problem remains the same: F1 cars are too damned big. F1 cars are 5.5 m long; this is 20 cm short of a Chevy fucking Suburban. At 2 m, they are as wide as a suburban, as well.
Rule changes should focus on making cars smaller first of all. As it is, races are a parade of very fast, incredibly aerodynamic whales.
Drivers have always been able to control electrical deployment wherever they want, since the hybrid power units were introduced. That's just been renamed Boost Mode for 2026.Ah ok, thanks for the explanation. The thing that's confused (and/or annoyed) me about F1 in the modern era is the zone limited stuff. I've always just wondered why can't the various tools be used whenever/wherever? Do the new rules free everything up or are there still limitations on them? Like is Overtake mode only for overtaking (or defense?) situations or can it be freely used as a strategic speed up anywhere? Are the active aero controls mandated by zones or can drivers change them on the fly, or automated to some extent for safety reasons?
You don't need a 911 Turbo, a Camry has enough power. Right?I'd argue that they're gimmicks on the road as much as on the racetrack. Most of the cars with overboost modes already have plenty of power. If your 911 Turbo can't make an overtake at full throttle, overboost mode isn't going to help you.
You could, but a non spec series would be better, just get rid of the aero and side gimmicks (which are designed to compensate for what aero does to the racing).You could have that in a spec series. Which is not F1. There are plenty of options.
I hope it would be much the same, but it seems like F1 is being a bit helicopter regulating the drivers and wanted to make sure they don’t try to use low downforce in corners that could cause a crash (e.g. only works on sections designated as straights, has a lap distance limitation so even if you don’t hit the brakes it automatically changes to corner mode, and of course switches to corner mode when braking like DRS). They apparently don’t trust the drivers to switch modes when they need to or not to push the envelope on almost straights. It all depends on what they designate as a straight.I would prefer the active aero be under full driver control, not just at certain points. It'll probably end up being much the same, but letting the driver have full control opens up more strategy the same way that battery deployment is used now.
They're like the "Turbo" button on older PCs. Sales gimmicks to make fools part with their money. As you state, no way in hell, does a 911 Turbo not have enough "power" for any daily driving situation. The only place a "boost mode" can help is at the track.
Sure, but then you'd have cars that were slower around a track than an F2 car. There are plenty of slower racing series already. They don't get global viewership.You could, but a non spec series would be better, just get rid of the aero and side gimmicks (which are designed to compensate for what aero does to the racing).
You can still allow development in every area other than aero and get a lot of benefit. In fact, one could argue that you could relax the rules and get even more development in other areas if you did that.
Especially with the obsolete restrictions on fuel flow and MGU-K usage - having a fixed load of fuel at the start of the race should be all the restrictions needed. And allow enough fuel to run wide open to the end. I don’t want racing restricted by fuel, by track layout, car design and tire wear is enough.I hate it that various racing series are playing these contrived “boost mode” games with engine power. Get the power you want through the long, skinny pedal only. If you’ve artificially hamstrung an engine, your not really racing anymore, your just putting on a show.
The late 1990s was the era of narrow cars, grooved tires, and very little passing.So do I. Rules at least held for a season or two before see-sawing. And the cars were much better looking.
LOLForgot to add other new jargon, such as "straight mode train"?
I really hope someone with decisionmaking authority eventually figures this out.Especially with the obsolete restrictions on fuel flow and MGU-K usage - having a fixed load of fuel at the start of the race should be all the restrictions needed. And allow enough fuel to run wide open to the end. I don’t want racing restricted by fuel, by track layout, car design and tire wear is enough.
You misunderstood who the relevance is for - as explained in the article, the relevance to road cars is to attract car manufacturers to the sport and the new regulations appear to be successful in that front with Audi, Cadillac, Honda and Ford willing to join with the chance that F1 development can provide training and possibly technology transfer to regular road cars.I believe the assertion here is that in order to be relevant, power units need to be similar to what we find in road cars. I.e. hybrid and turbo charged. I fundamentally disagree with this assertion.
Absolutely true, but front regen would be tricky in practice for F1 cars.The fundamental flaw is still that they want 50/50 power split, yet banned the most effective ways for teams to harvest electrical energy: front regen brakes and the MGU-H.
Overtake mode is only for overtaking: you must be within one second of that car ahead at the detection line (normally the final corner) and then can use it for the next lap.Like is Overtake mode only for overtaking (or defense?) situations or can it be freely used as a strategic speed up anywhere?
The Straight mode can only be activated on designated straights, otherwise the car is in Corner mode. The Straight mode may only remain active while the car is within a designated Activation Zone.Are the active aero controls mandated by zones or can drivers change them on the fly, or automated to some extent for safety reasons?
And yet, a Porsche with Sport Chrono has a Sport Response button that reconfigures the PDK transmission, suspension and engine for maximum available power for overtaking or other need for maximum power for 20 seconds. This means you can be in a highway cruising mode but get full responsiveness temporarily.As you state, no way in hell, does a 911 Turbo not have enough "power" for any daily driving situation.
slower at first, but the speeds would creep up over time as the other parts got more attention. Also, a LOT can be done with tires. They are artificially slow. The manufacturers can do quite a lot to improve things if you give them the leeway.Sure, but then you'd have cars that were slower around a track than an F2 car. There are plenty of slower racing series already. They don't get global viewership.
Excellent additional info. Thanks. I read that these systems requiere a lot of the mental capacity a driver needs to use the systems a efficient as possible. If that will be the case we can expect perhaps some surprises. Drivers that have more natural speed have more spare headroom to deal with all the variables.The FIA has made a late-breaking change to the active aero regulations to add a "partial activation" mode that can be enabled by race control for specific "straight" zones in wet conditions. When partial activation mode is engaged, only the front wing elements open, and the rear wing stays closed. Also, each activation zone can have two sets of start/end boundaries, with the activation zone being shorter when partial activation is enabled.
The need for this emerged when it became clear that the teams would optimize their low-downforce active aero configuration with just enough downforce to handle any curves or kinks on the "straights" in dry conditions, and full activation would be dangerous in wet conditions. But if they kept the wings closed all the way down the straight, they'd exceed the design downforce levels and overload the suspension, causing underfloor plank wear disqualifications and possibly also causing problems with fuel consumption and energy management.
Seems like this should have been a more foreseeable problem, but better to come up with these awkward and complicated rules now rather than in the middle of the season after a problematic and possibly dangerous wet race.
Stroll Mode: going extra slow outside the white lines.Can we get a Lance Stroll mode which makes the car act randomly?
My understanding was that, when modelling vehicles, the Z-axis referenced yaw about the vertical centreline and the X-axis referenced the vehicle's forward travel. So Z-mode made sense for "cornering mode" and X-mode made sense for "straight-line mode." But probably the new terminology is clearer.Those names are better than X-mode and Z-mode, which is what they were being called last year.
FIA want F1 to be the premium grade, but to do that it needs to stay ahead of Formula-E cars. The Gen3 F-E car design was hamstrung a bit so it wouldn't be faster than the F1 cars, the gen4 cars that will race in F-E next year will probably be about as fast (or slightly faster on some tracks) as the current F1 cars. With electric motors having higher torque, allowing faster acceleration out of corners, and regen braking allowing drivers to brake later into corners, the advantage of higher peak speed was no longer enough - F1 cars had to adapt.I believe the assertion here is that in order to be relevant, power units need to be similar to what we find in road cars. I.e. hybrid and turbo charged. I fundamentally disagree with this assertion. I don't think anyone who loves their hybrid is now going to become an F1 fan because the cars are hybridized. People like the sport because it's exciting, cool, and the drivers have reality show drama. I'd argue that making the cars sound cooler, done through making them NA, would achieve greater relevance. Also, is it not a slight insult to our intelligence to suggest that by making the cars hybrid, somehow makes them like what we drive.
F1 is, and has always been, as much an engineering competition as a driving competition. There is plenty of information, podcasts, websites, analysis to help you follow both sides of the sport. And the changes are anything but arbitrary and anti-sport - more often, they're made to enhance competition by closing up exploitable loopholes, resetting the balance of power, or (as here) allowing for better on-track racing. It's fine if you don't care, or don't want to care, but you're just flat out wrong in your understanding here.I can't say I know a lot about F1. But it seems to me like it's mostly an automotive soap opera with more design plot twists and turns than in any actual race they run, without really adding any actual entertainment to the sport.
This whole thing just baffles me, and because of the incessant changes, I completely lose interest in it, since there's no practical way to follow it. The changes seem so arbitrary and anti-racing, I fail to see the point of following it in the first place.
That whole adage about cooks and soup come to mine.