Domestic AVs can now get FMVSS exemptions for no rearview mirrors or steering wheels.
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Feds ease rules for autonomous vehicle testing to compete with China
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RickRoyLeonPrisZhoraRacha
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China just cancelled 12000 tons of pork product from the US. Ask if anyone cares...(wait, Farmers are crying now for subsidies...go ask DOGE!)
Who cares if China is or isn't doing autonomous... you can't have it here because idiots on the road. Can't have flying cars because even AI is poisoned.
Who cares if China is or isn't doing autonomous... you can't have it here because idiots on the road. Can't have flying cars because even AI is poisoned.
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Well, he got that part right. Only he went in the wrong direction with it.
The stakes are literal lives of people on and near the roads who did not sign up to be part of this beta test. There will be deaths.
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Autonomous cars driving without human intervention while AI is expanding capabilities with bolted-on ethics that are trivially easy to circumvent. Are we sure that AGI wasn't accidentally achieved recently and self-driving cars is one piece of the board in its prep to launch the robot revolution?
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Cars actually are over regulated though. Its why this is legal
but this isn't
It makes little sense why 4 wheel vehicles have such strict safety regulations, while 2 and 3 wheel vehicles don't, but can be driven on the same roads as 4 wheel vehicles.
but this isn't
It makes little sense why 4 wheel vehicles have such strict safety regulations, while 2 and 3 wheel vehicles don't, but can be driven on the same roads as 4 wheel vehicles.
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That Chinese decision appears to be about a week old; his statement that "we're in a race with China to out-innovate" is true across all tech; and when in a race one doesn't prioritize speed over all safety. In the space race the US still paused the program for 18 months after Apollo 1.
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It's an identity politics issue: the first vehicle is an expression of masculinity; the second vehicle is merely utilitarian. You might as well try to ban truck nuts.
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'Autonomous' teslas are going to crash into cars and trees and things often, because tesla autonomy tech is ass broth, and crash victims are going to vandalize the shit out of them because there will be no driver to yell at. Probably won't just be teslas either, but i bet they take the brunt thanks to their CEO's antics
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I didn't, and my home state didn't. Half the country didn't vote for this. Let Arizona or Texas kill themselves with this nonsense, but leave me out of it!
Also, I'm not a fan of the "staying at home, didn't vote" angle, because so many states weren't competitive. If the presidential race were decided by popular vote then a lot more people would vote.
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That's the thing that keeps surprising me every time I remember it. He won the popular vote. It falsified my belief that Trump supporters were the crazy minority. No matter how much I thought it was obvious Trump is a bad idea, apparently I'm the one in the minority.
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I love gutting old computers for parts. If I see a stranded/crashed AV, I'm coming in hot with a hex wrench.
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Nah, I absolutely blame them for 2024. If they stayed home after bearing witness to Trump 1, you bet I am gonna rightfully blame them for the result.
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But when your standards are rock bottom, you're always "winning"!
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Not to relitigate things but Trump got the same share of the vote as he did in 2020. But several million people who voted for Biden in 2020 stayed home (often in some misguided protest about Gaza—how'd that work out for those poor bastards?) or were disenfranchised. To the tune of about seven million, iirc.
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Glad I live somewhere where it snows since none of these stupid self-driving vehicles can deal with that.
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I'm just wondering how long before people start pulling a wile e coyote for the lulz. I.e. tricking the sensors into crashing. Oh well, I'm sure with no steering wheel, nothing could go wrong.
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It is not these AI-inspired autonomous vehicles that are the problem when competing with China. It is the fact that their hyper capitalistic home market is encouraging very rapid innovation at a very affordable price. And in products which the rest of the world outside the USA wants to buy, and is prepared to allow onto their roads. We produce $90K wankpanzers, and BYD produces $30K cars that can be driven reasonably in 500 year old infrastructure. Without decimating the people in those cultures who often get around by walking or biking. And who vote.
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He got 3M more votes in 2024 vs 2020.
Harris got a lot less votes than Biden. 6M less.
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I'm with you on regulation double standards and I also dislike the obsession with large trucks.
I helped a friend with a small home job a while back, and one of his friends brought his little Suzuki thing just like that one.
That said...when it comes to "is that safe enough to allow on roads," well...he made a point that he almost never drives it on the highway for a reason.
Low speed collisions may be more common, but rear ends and pileups happen on highways. You don't want to be driving a car where your knees are the crumple zones.
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That's the fourth line, coming after:
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
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If the human can intervene, it prevents the murder machine from achieving Full Self Destruction.
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On the flip side, China is making the rules more strict... https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20250418PD206/china-autonomous-driving-adas-regulation-vehicle.html
Edit, whoops. That's what I get for leaving the page open for awhile, then commenting later. Turns out it was no longer 0 comments and even the 1st comment already mentioned this
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It's the Auto industry, It's always been like that and no one has ever done anything to really stop it.
Case in point, the automatic windows do not stop if they meet resistance and there's been deaths over the years because if it. It's not flashy enough so congress never passed a safety law on it. It didn't kill enough people, so the car companies simply pay people off instead of recall and restructure of the window mechanism.
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Remember the “I’m pissed we didn’t have the first death.” incident from when Levandowski was frustrated that someone else was moving faster and breaking more things?
Those are a feature.
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fellow human
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Only about 1/3 of eligible voters voted for the orange idiot. He might have got more votes than Harris but that doesn't mean most people like him.
Still, only 1/3 of voters voted against him. That's a really bad stain on US history.
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Sometimes individual people either intentionally or unintentionally, figuratively or physically, get in the way of industry's forward march. The Trump administration just wants companies to be able to drive through these sorts of obstructions on the road to the future.
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