FDA refuses to review Moderna’s mRNA flu vaccine

A gentle reminder that no, we didn’t vote for this shit, half the country didn’t bother to show up to vote in the first place. A minority voted for this shit, and a slightly but statistically significantly smaller minority voted against it. The majority decided it wasn’t important to voice an opinion.
No choice is a choice.
 
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nothing you've said here is true. The heart damage from the mRNA COVID vaccines was almost certainly due to the COVID spike proteins themselves that were coded into the vaccine to make it work: that's why COVID causes the same heart damage(only at a much higher rate, because you're producing orders of magnitude greater spike proteins than with the vaccine). There's no reason to expect an mRNA flu vaccine to behave the same as a COVID vaccine in this regard.

I'm living proof. I developed heart failure from COVID in March 2020 and nearly died. I recovered some but not all function and live with the effects every day, for however long remains of my life.

The only (and I mean only) bright side to this entire thing is that has become almost a foolproof method of finding anti-vaxxers, because whenever I tell them that COVID gave me heart failure, they always try to find some way to blame the vaccine. It's depressing how many of them are out there. I even had to fire two doctors because of it.
 
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If the protection is long-lasting, some medical tourism might be worthwhile. Fixing the FDA's gonna take at least 3 years.
Unclear how long the protection lasts for. Apparently the study only checked after 6 months, at which point titers were still "above baseline."

But it also seems like the vaccine is only designed to be effective against seasonal variants anyway, just like the regular flu vaccines, so durability might not matter that much. Looks like the intention is that we all still get annual shots.

Kind of a disappointment after reading about how mRNA technology might deliver a single vaccine against all possible influenza variants with strong protection that lasts for years. And what we ended up with seems to be a somewhat more effective version of the crappy flu vaccines we've had for decades.
 
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In 2024, employees of Moderna donated $61k to the Harris campaign, and a grand total of $1.4k to Trump.

The other camping donations are similarly stilted, only $5.6k out of $114k went to Republicans.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/moderna-inc/summary?id=D000073555

I'm not seeing any donations to Trump's money laundering schemes like we see from all the tech companies whose products we use daily. What am I missing about Moderna?
Guess we know now why the trial was rejected.
 
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nivedita

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What are you proposing? People just roll over and let someone like Trump do as he wills, because he broadcasts an intent to dismantle democratic governance?
They are saying the opposite: he should never have been allowed to run for office, because of that intent. I’m not sure how that would have been practically possible to enforce, but that is the point of the poster I suppose: America did not design a system of governance that could keep out someone like Trump.

We are now, I would say, well past the intent phase.
We're not there yet, but the surest way down the path to authoritarianism is to simply accept that fate. It's kind of the whole game, actually.

The US was a flawed democracy before this all began. The best possible outcome to all this, and the one to fight for, is an opportunity to fix some of those flaws now that they've been laid bare for all to see.

But what you're saying here is just doomer nonsense rooted in a kernel of truth. Democracy was never a one and done deal. It requires work, education, and constant improvement to maintain a representative system of government and resist the slide into authoritarianism. The key is to recognize the coming attacks and confront them head-on. If you give in to despair, the inevitable outcome becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
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nivedita

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The covid lockdowns didn't lead to the rise of the third reich, but they did lead to a second Trump term. They normalized a slide away from democracy and individual human rights towards authoritarianism. Prasad wasn't wrong about that. Sadly for you, instead of the getting Fauci or Newsom or someone you wanted to tell people how to live their lives, you got Trump. Should have thought that through.
So… the logic is that the Covid lockdowns, imposed by Trump, laid the groundwork for his re-election, but only after losing the immediately following elections, which were less than a year since the pandemic began? And that Prasad, a noble soul that warned about this, has now betrayed his own warnings and gone to work for the very third reich he was warning about and doing their dirty work for them?
Even if that convoluted logic had any semblance of truth, it seems all the more reason to condemn Prasad.
 
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They can, but in the case of the USA, I don't expect it will return in my lifetime if it's lost now.

They are quickly consolidating control of media, they have tools like Palantir which will have dossier on every person in the country, coupled with AI, for individually targeted messaging, disinformation, etc...

If US democracy fails in November, I think the trajectory will match Russia's.

If you look at Russia today. Putin is destroying the country and yet has 80% approval, because he simply quashed the dissenting message. USA is speedrunning this move.

People were poorly informed in the USA when they had a free media. But two more years of Trump there won't be much left of anything the dissenters can rely on.

And we gave up knowing our neighbors for online communities, which eventually became fully owned/controlled by Apple/Google (as far as most people are concerned) - and if you get kicked off, you're effectively out of the game.

We'll have to rebuild underground networks, which require trust, which is hard.
 
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America, you are well and truly fucked.

Remember: you voted for this shit.
Actually, only about a third of US citizens voted for it. One third either couldn't be bothered to vote at all, or were "discouraged" from voting by employers, lack of nearby polling facilities, polling booth intimidation, and/or the insane choice to keep election day on a work day, long after any possible justification had passed.
 
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Can anyone, for the love of god, explain to me why? Why did they pick vaccines to be the issue?
I see no financial nor political gain for anyone here. I simply don't understand.
To own the libruls. Because only liberals get Covid, flu, measles, polio and so on. Seriously, that’s the reason.
 
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Our country is being held hostage by this corrupt and criminal regime. At least there's a date certain when we can be free from their tyranny: January 20, 2029. I just hope we can last that long.
Naaah bro ...

The republicans, maga and trumps might be corrupt and crazy ... but your democrat party is corrupt as hell too. Outsting the current corruption is just replacing one corruption for another. Yes, the democrats are also in bed with money.

Nobody at the top cares even half a sheet about you at the bottom. You keep infighting so much, you make controlling you like rats in a pen easy. People literally sacrifice themselves to overlords that couldn't care less about you.

Your country wont be great again.
Most likely you need a second founding.
 
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Had the democrats rejected lockdown politics and started respecting the individual liberties the USA is based on when they came to power in 2021, the country might yet have had a chance to turn away from authoritarianism.
Bull. Fucking. Shit.

Your fundamental premise is that lockdowns were the act of an authoritarian government, and could not have been ordered by a democratic government (note the small "d"; I'm not referring to the party here.)

The entire point of the lockdowns was to buy time. To keep the hospitals from being overrun by cases requiring intensive care; to give us a chance to get a handle on what this virus does and how to treat it; to try to stop rampant deaths; to increase hospital capacity; and to try to develop an effective vaccine. This was a novel virus - a virus that had never before infected any human body. That inherently means that the consequences are going to be severe, until such time as sufficient of the population has gained immunity - either through infection, or through vaccination.

I lived through some of the harshest lockdowns on the planet. I know what they did, both economically and socially. And yet, having suffered through the disease even after vaccination (and man, if that's what it was like after being vaccinated, I shudder to think about what it might have been like if I hadn't got the vaccination), I still believe that it was the best choice the government reasonably could have made - the consequences of unchecked spread would likely have been horrendous.

There are times when harsh measures are reasonable, and are warranted. The initial spread of COVID-19 was, in my opinion, absolutely one of those times. Those who think otherwise - again, in my opinion - either don't understand just how serious the situation was, or don't give a damn about their community.
 
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There are times when harsh measures are reasonable, and are warranted. The initial spread of COVID-19 was, in my opinion, absolutely one of those times. Those who think otherwise - again, in my opinion - either don't understand just how serious the situation was, or don't give a damn about their community.
Also - and I'll freely admit I may be wrong here, as I'm UK based and it's been a while - but I don't think the US had an actual lockdown, per se. People were asked to maintain distancing, to not go out unless necessary, to avoid social events like parties and clubs, and if they did go out to please for the love of God wear a mask - but it was all pretty much voluntary, from what I recall.
 
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The covid lockdowns didn't lead to the rise of the third reich, but they did lead to a second Trump term. They normalized a slide away from democracy and individual human rights towards authoritarianism. Prasad wasn't wrong about that. Sadly for you, instead of the getting Fauci or Newsom or someone you wanted to tell people how to live their lives, you got Trump. Should have thought that through.

No they didn't. COVID lockdowns happened under Trump, which he opposed, because he thought a lot of people dying of disease was preferable to eating at home for a couple months. His complete and utter fuckup of COVID is why Biden won. It was time for Trump to be a leader, and he spent time letting everyone know the biggest victim of COVID was him and how he was being treated by reporters.

It was a once a century pandemic that hit the US harder than any other developed country. Japan is a modern country with even higher population density, and they had a considerably lesser casualty rate than we had here. Maybe because their people don't consider wearing a mask when going to the store to be a hill to literally die on.

But all of that aside, the point is that Prasad was not on anyone's shortlist for the job he has with the exception of RFK Jr, a man who helped spread measles via anti-vaxx disinformation in American Samoa.
 
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1) For adults most at risk, it is currently recommended to use a high dose vaccine such as Fluzone. Again, Pharma likes to pick the weakest comparator possible for a reason. Do you really not understand that?

2) Prasad was not in office in August 2025, despite your claims. He was fired in July of that year for being a Democrat. He was rehired well into August when it became apparent his skillset was very much needed. That kind of disruption is unfortunate and he wasn't the only one affected. Jared Isaacman was also fired and rehired for similar reasons. Perhaps this would have played out differently if Trump didn't spend his time reading Loomer's Twitter account, but there's not much Prasad can do about that, is there?
1) The trial was for healthy adults over the age of 50. The recommendation for high dose vaccines is for adults 65+. If the gsk vaccine is so bad, I’d like to know why Prasad allowed it to be given to me.
2) He was only out of office for about a week. Left 30 July, back a week later. I doubt that the entire review of the Moderna trial was completed during that one week.
 
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These people are absolute morons, and Prasad specifically is just a half-wit ideologue with zero scientific integrity! The WSJ reporting has details that make my blood boil about the incompetence and corruption that is the signature of this past year:

Prasad has told others within the FDA that he would like to issue more letters refusing to accept applications so that he doesn’t have to reject them after they have been evaluated, people familiar with the matter said. Such a practice would upend the agency’s typical approach to product reviews and could open up the FDA to more litigation, according to people close to the FDA including former officials.

Fascinating, huh? He already knows the result before reviewing the data, which could only be true because of political or financial motivations, so why bother to do the work? Just make up a flip excuse, call the flip excuse "gold standard" against the views of all other scientists, then call it a day, and fly cross country on your "commute" that costs taxpayers $65k a year:

Prasad is facing several personnel complaints filed against him, including some that involve sexual harassment, retaliation against subordinates and verbally berating staff, people familiar with the matter said. He lives in the San Francisco area and usually commutes to the FDA’s Maryland headquarters for several days every two weeks. Taxpayers pay for his commute, which according to one estimate costs around $65,000 a year, according to an agency document reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
In November, Prasad sent an email alleging that 10 children’s deaths were linked to Covid vaccines, but he has yet to publicly produce data to back up the claim. The email also said that staff who disagreed with his operating principles should submit their resignations.

https://www.wsj.com/health/healthcare/why-the-fda-blocked-modernas-new-flu-shot-84fdaab6

https://archive.is/2026.02.12-11182...he-fda-blocked-modernas-new-flu-shot-84fdaab6

I'm not sure if I'm more offended by the corruption or by the lackeys willing to debase themselves trying to defend these undefendable corruption.
 
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I’m convinced 65% of all Americans are of below average intelligence.

As an American who grew up in the 80s and was labeled "gifted" as a child, I suspect your number might be a bit low. Frankly, even being "gifted", I'm pretty sure I'm an idiot most of the time, so our scale is almost certainly skewed.
 
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Indeed.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
What kind of woke, leftist, commie, antifa, liberal, Democrat bullshit is this???? Sounds like something Obama or Hillary Clinton wrote....
 
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What kind of woke, leftist, commie, antifa, liberal, Democrat bullshit is this???? Sounds like something Obama or Hillary Clinton wrote....

Definitely too Woke for MAGA.

It's hard finding the right time for good role models that work for MAGA.

Anyone today is too leftist and Woke.

Go too far back and US Founding fathers are too leftist and woke, even Jesus too leftist and Woke.

That's why you need to go back about 8 decades for MAGA role models that aren't all woke:

adolf-hitler-et-mussolini-7899.jpg
 
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No, we ended up with Trump because Harris was as bad or worse then trump’s first term.
Trump was not voted in. Harris was blocked by ppl that see on 2 parties( I wrote in lessig since I could not back either of these 2 evils ).

The main ones to blame are Dems allowing progressive to push their racist/sexists garbage.
In fact, had it not been for Biden/progressives, musk would have back the Dems like he has done all along. Musk was no fan of Clinton since she is also progressive, but quietly backed her over Trump.

Musk backed the Republicans because that was where he could go after becoming a public piece of shit. He's a transphobe who thinks the biggest threat to the world is being decent to people. He called a diver who said his idea sucked a pedophile... like 3 or 4 years after he asked to come to a known sex trafficking pedophile's wildest party. Then he bought his way into a position in Trump's second administration, his first goal was to take food and medicine away from starving children overseas, that was priority number one for him. He's well at home in the Republican Party, given his moral compass.

As far as 2024 goes. The Republicans convinced a lot of very very dumb people that Democrats were going to turn their sons into daughters and the post COVID assistance inflation was Biden's fault because reasons and that businessman Trump could fix it. They also didn't know who pays tariffs.

edit: forgot the R
 
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There are times when harsh measures are reasonable, and are warranted. The initial spread of COVID-19 was, in my opinion, absolutely one of those times. Those who think otherwise - again, in my opinion - either don't understand just how serious the situation was, or don't give a damn about their community.
Dude, Sweden, Florida, Japan, etc. all did fine without lockdowns. Lockdowns were a Chinese import- a product of an authoritarian mind- and not only had no place in a democracy, they didn’t even work.
 
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