"Pokemon Go Ultimate" requires battery removal or Device Manager to be uninstalled.
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So, does Google Play not include some verification that the proclaimed publisher of the app is really the publisher? I mean, someone can't claim to be Electronic Arts but not really be them, right?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550519#p31550519:tt8qkgmi said:crispyfrenchfries[/url]":tt8qkgmi][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550463#p31550463:tt8qkgmi said:ricm[/url]":tt8qkgmi]If it locks the screen inmediatelly after installation, how did Google miss that in their own tests for Google play approval?
When you push an app for Google Play approval, there isn't any human interaction with that app. It's just generic scanning and then almost instant approval.
Protecting a trademark is the trademark holder's responsibility and no one else's. Do you really expect Google, or even Apple to investigate the IP of every app in their marketplace? A trademark can be licensed, so an automated approach really can't work. Really, Nintendo should have been the first to send Google a cease and desist letter.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551463#p31551463:1db5de9q said:castleblanc[/url]":1db5de9q]So, does Google Play not include some verification that the proclaimed publisher of the app is really the publisher? I mean, someone can't claim to be Electronic Arts but not really be them, right?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550519#p31550519:1db5de9q said:crispyfrenchfries[/url]":1db5de9q][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550463#p31550463:1db5de9q said:ricm[/url]":1db5de9q]If it locks the screen inmediatelly after installation, how did Google miss that in their own tests for Google play approval?
When you push an app for Google Play approval, there isn't any human interaction with that app. It's just generic scanning and then almost instant approval.
Because that would be just stupid if that's not the case.
Pokemon is a owned by a company "The Pokemon Company" which is owned by three other companies (Nintendo, Game Freak and Creatures).[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551463#p31551463:3mxp1rli said:castleblanc[/url]":3mxp1rli]So, does Google Play not include some verification that the proclaimed publisher of the app is really the publisher? I mean, someone can't claim to be Electronic Arts but not really be them, right?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550519#p31550519:3mxp1rli said:crispyfrenchfries[/url]":3mxp1rli][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550463#p31550463:3mxp1rli said:ricm[/url]":3mxp1rli]If it locks the screen inmediatelly after installation, how did Google miss that in their own tests for Google play approval?
When you push an app for Google Play approval, there isn't any human interaction with that app. It's just generic scanning and then almost instant approval.
Because that would be just stupid if that's not the case.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550803#p31550803:27xa9qhi said:truthyboy15[/url]":27xa9qhi][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550431#p31550431:27xa9qhi said:Luddite Curmudgeon[/url]":27xa9qhi]Well, Device Manager would be my out because my phone has no removable battery.
well the powers that be decided its a brilliant idea not to have user accessible batteries. unless of course you want to void your warranty. the other day my S7 got hit with a popup from a disabled amazon app that required an act of god to get past.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551179#p31551179:3m9o8vg3 said:RT81[/url]":3m9o8vg3][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551061#p31551061:3m9o8vg3 said:Hat Monster[/url]":3m9o8vg3]US trademark law. If you don't attempt to verify them, you have no liability.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551053#p31551053:3m9o8vg3 said:RT81[/url]":3m9o8vg3]How does an app using a trademarked name even appear on Google Play in the first place?
In short: Congress said so.
Does Apple do that type of verification as part of their vetting process?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552049#p31552049:tofxb98s said:deanrozz[/url]":tofxb98s]"Stick to the Google Play Store" they said.
"You'll be safe" they said.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550841#p31550841:2jl2ndb8 said:SpinelessWonder[/url]":2jl2ndb8]It seems like every other day there is yet another example of how the Google ecosystem is horribly implemented and maintained. Google needs to do a better job protecting their users.
Android currently reminds me of Windows XP pre-SP2. You'd think Google would have learned from others mistakes, but they haven't.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550841#p31550841:1hx9y5t2 said:SpinelessWonder[/url]":1hx9y5t2]It seems like every other day there is yet another example of how the Google ecosystem is horribly implemented and maintained. Google needs to do a better job protecting their users.
Android currently reminds me of Windows XP pre-SP2. You'd think Google would have learned from others mistakes, but they haven't.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551915#p31551915:3cnc3fvp said:a_v_s[/url]":3cnc3fvp][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550803#p31550803:3cnc3fvp said:truthyboy15[/url]":3cnc3fvp][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550431#p31550431:3cnc3fvp said:Luddite Curmudgeon[/url]":3cnc3fvp]Well, Device Manager would be my out because my phone has no removable battery.
well the powers that be decided its a brilliant idea not to have user accessible batteries. unless of course you want to void your warranty. the other day my S7 got hit with a popup from a disabled amazon app that required an act of god to get past.
Most all phones/tablets that don't have removable batteries, have the embedded power controller setup so that long-pressing the power button for 10 seconds will cause the EC to momentarily disconnect the main power rail, which is functionally equivalent to removing the battery and re-inserting it... It is not possible to bypass the EC behavior in software... The OS is not involved in this behavior, so even if the OS was completely crashed, this will still work.
Note: I worked with some teams that wrote the EC firmware for a few phones.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552319#p31552319:75bfxs9v said:Luddite Curmudgeon[/url]":75bfxs9v][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551915#p31551915:75bfxs9v said:a_v_s[/url]":75bfxs9v][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550803#p31550803:75bfxs9v said:truthyboy15[/url]":75bfxs9v][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550431#p31550431:75bfxs9v said:Luddite Curmudgeon[/url]":75bfxs9v]Well, Device Manager would be my out because my phone has no removable battery.
well the powers that be decided its a brilliant idea not to have user accessible batteries. unless of course you want to void your warranty. the other day my S7 got hit with a popup from a disabled amazon app that required an act of god to get past.
Most all phones/tablets that don't have removable batteries, have the embedded power controller setup so that long-pressing the power button for 10 seconds will cause the EC to momentarily disconnect the main power rail, which is functionally equivalent to removing the battery and re-inserting it... It is not possible to bypass the EC behavior in software... The OS is not involved in this behavior, so even if the OS was completely crashed, this will still work.
Note: I worked with some teams that wrote the EC firmware for a few phones.
That's good to know. Until somebody figures out a way to keep the malware going while the momentarily disconnect is ongoing. Like my screen name alludes to, I like the old way. Remove battery, count to 10, reinsert.![]()
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552305#p31552305:2jb4oqlo said:Theinsanegamer[/url]":2jb4oqlo]""Pokemon Go Ultimate" requires battery removal or Device Manager to be uninstalled."
Too bad the entire industry has all but abandoned the removable battery idea.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552419#p31552419:1d6qxkxc said:sprockkets[/url]":1d6qxkxc]
My old HTC sensation had a removable battery, but it was a pita to remove it, even if it was made to, since that meant taking the case off, then opening the back. I think though even if the batt is removable the power button trick works anyhow.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552453#p31552453:4b4yx2dc said:Luddite Curmudgeon[/url]":4b4yx2dc][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552419#p31552419:4b4yx2dc said:sprockkets[/url]":4b4yx2dc]
My old HTC sensation had a removable battery, but it was a pita to remove it, even if it was made to, since that meant taking the case off, then opening the back. I think though even if the batt is removable the power button trick works anyhow.
My last phone was the HTC 3D. A year ago, the battery started to go bad; would run down in half a day. Charged fine, but it used battery even on sleep. I bought a replacement battery on eBay and once I swapped them out, battery life went back to normal.
This is where the planned obsolescence gets me. A bad battery shouldn't be a reason to buy another $600 phone. :/
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551179#p31551179:20pbrs3c said:RT81[/url]":20pbrs3c][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551061#p31551061:20pbrs3c said:Hat Monster[/url]":20pbrs3c]US trademark law. If you don't attempt to verify them, you have no liability.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551053#p31551053:20pbrs3c said:RT81[/url]":20pbrs3c]How does an app using a trademarked name even appear on Google Play in the first place?
In short: Congress said so.
Does Apple do that type of verification as part of their vetting process?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552177#p31552177:2ni6nc89 said:sprockkets[/url]":2ni6nc89]XP pre service pack 2 could be owned within 10 minutes of being on the internet. I don't think Android has ever suffered that fate, ever.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551107#p31551107:2o39glef said:agt499[/url]":2o39glef]Interesting - so this would actively discourage them from checking - in a similar vein that not doing a patent search might provide a defense that an invention is obvious?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551061#p31551061:2o39glef said:Hat Monster[/url]":2o39glef]US trademark law. If you don't attempt to verify them, you have no liability.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551053#p31551053:2o39glef said:RT81[/url]":2o39glef]How does an app using a trademarked name even appear on Google Play in the first place?
In short: Congress said so.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552519#p31552519:2fhumnq2 said:jnuneznj[/url]":2fhumnq2][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552177#p31552177:2fhumnq2 said:sprockkets[/url]":2fhumnq2]XP pre service pack 2 could be owned within 10 minutes of being on the internet. I don't think Android has ever suffered that fate, ever.
Android with NFC was penetrated (root level) just by sitting next to the demonstrator at a Hacking Conference 2 years ago. Before that it was bluetooth.
Android security is on the same level as all the other Active Operating Systems. The fact that you throw out XP is sad.
Its a necessary evil. They can hardly deal with the traffic from the US release. Just imagine when Japan gets it![url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550511#p31550511:2krw5raj said:Hat Monster[/url]":2krw5raj]The key take-away from this is that geoblocking fucks consumers.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551915#p31551915:203wc0ig said:a_v_s[/url]":203wc0ig][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550803#p31550803:203wc0ig said:truthyboy15[/url]":203wc0ig][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550431#p31550431:203wc0ig said:Luddite Curmudgeon[/url]":203wc0ig]Well, Device Manager would be my out because my phone has no removable battery.
well the powers that be decided its a brilliant idea not to have user accessible batteries. unless of course you want to void your warranty. the other day my S7 got hit with a popup from a disabled amazon app that required an act of god to get past.
Most all phones/tablets that don't have removable batteries, have the embedded power controller setup so that long-pressing the power button for 10 seconds will cause the EC to momentarily disconnect the main power rail, which is functionally equivalent to removing the battery and re-inserting it... It is not possible to bypass the EC behavior in software... The OS is not involved in this behavior, so even if the OS was completely crashed, this will still work.
Note: I worked with some teams that wrote the EC firmware for a few phones.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550277#p31550277:3ncj1gvb said:iPirateEverything[/url]":3ncj1gvb]Computer security is hard, especially when a moron is born every minute or two...
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550523#p31550523:32iiwwhh said:Zemzil[/url]":32iiwwhh][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550277#p31550277:32iiwwhh said:iPirateEverything[/url]":32iiwwhh]Computer security is hard, especially when a moron is born every minute or two...
It's easy to accuse the moronoobery of victims who trust the Google Store, but the fact is that Android epidemiology, security, piracy and cybercriminality is out of control.
Even with a level of dangerosity and impact that not any Windows ever knew, nerds and geeks still not consider it as serious because terminal-to-terminal and storage/cloud infection is still not possible (or detected) as common desktop virus, so they do not feel concerned.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550541#p31550541:2yzymrbu said:Hat Monster[/url]":2yzymrbu]A user has to deliberately disable her device's built in block of said installations (and Ars provided a handy guide on how to do so) to make this possible.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550237#p31550237:2yzymrbu said:greatn[/url]":2yzymrbu]I'd like to point out that Ars Technica itself linked to a third party APK download site in their initial reports about the app, before it was available in the US. I found that very irresponsible.
At that point, she's asked for what she gets.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550277#p31550277:20awht18 said:iPirateEverything[/url]":20awht18]Computer security is hard, especially when a moron is born every minute or two...
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550519#p31550519:2xiyctbk said:crispyfrenchfries[/url]":2xiyctbk][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550463#p31550463:2xiyctbk said:ricm[/url]":2xiyctbk]If it locks the screen inmediatelly after installation, how did Google miss that in their own tests for Google play approval?
When you push an app for Google Play approval, there isn't any human interaction with that app. It's just generic scanning and then almost instant approval.
[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551605#p31551605:3alex68z said:macd2point0[/url]":3alex68z]Protecting a trademark is the trademark holder's responsibility and no one else's. Do you really expect Google, or even Apple to investigate the IP of every app in their marketplace? A trademark can be licensed, so an automated approach really can't work. Really, Nintendo should have been the first to send Google a cease and desist letter.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551463#p31551463:3alex68z said:castleblanc[/url]":3alex68z]So, does Google Play not include some verification that the proclaimed publisher of the app is really the publisher? I mean, someone can't claim to be Electronic Arts but not really be them, right?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550519#p31550519:3alex68z said:crispyfrenchfries[/url]":3alex68z][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550463#p31550463:3alex68z said:ricm[/url]":3alex68z]If it locks the screen inmediatelly after installation, how did Google miss that in their own tests for Google play approval?
When you push an app for Google Play approval, there isn't any human interaction with that app. It's just generic scanning and then almost instant approval.
Because that would be just stupid if that's not the case.
Considering Niantic was once owned by Google...[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551857#p31551857:o7uhjjr3 said:Abhi Beckert[/url]"7uhjjr3]
Pokemon is a owned by a company "The Pokemon Company" which is owned by three other companies (Nintendo, Game Freak and Creatures).[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551463#p31551463:o7uhjjr3 said:castleblanc[/url]"7uhjjr3]
So, does Google Play not include some verification that the proclaimed publisher of the app is really the publisher? I mean, someone can't claim to be Electronic Arts but not really be them, right?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550519#p31550519:o7uhjjr3 said:crispyfrenchfries[/url]"7uhjjr3]
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550463#p31550463:o7uhjjr3 said:ricm[/url]"7uhjjr3]If it locks the screen inmediatelly after installation, how did Google miss that in their own tests for Google play approval?
When you push an app for Google Play approval, there isn't any human interaction with that app. It's just generic scanning and then almost instant approval.
Because that would be just stupid if that's not the case.
According to Wikipedia the "official" Pokemon Go app is published by The Pokemon Company but if I actually look it up in the store, both Google and Apple show it was actually published by Niantic which is a small company that you can't expect any app store review team to have heard of.
Whatever contract Niantic has giving them permission to use the Pokemon trademark is a secret. And anyway you can't trust any evidence Niantic provides, they could just lie. So you have to reach out to the trademark holder... except The Pokemon Company is Japanese with no english version on their website, so how would I figure out how to get in touch with them? I could contact the american company authorised to distribute Pokemon in the USA... but chances are they didn't even know Pokemon Go exists until after it went public, so all they could do is provide me with contact details to the parent company... what a mess!
The developer community expects apps to be launched as quickly as possible - almost instant with Google Play and "usually within 24 hours" for Apple's App Store. It's impossible to do a trademark investigation in that amount of time.
Adding more fun to the mix, trademarks are specific to each country and there are ~250 countries. Are you going to do a separate trademark investigation for each country? I live in Australia, and a trademark search here shows 17 trademarks related to Pokemon, and the "Pokemon Go" listing is still pending so technically the applicant could still be told they're not allowed to have that trademark.
It gets worse than that – a registered business name search in Australia shows three companies with Pokemon in the name. None of them have registered trademarks but since they're not direct competitors to The Pokemon Company they are allowed to use the name, and they are also allowed to upload an app to the store (as long as it doesn't compete with Pokemon in some way). How do you block trademark infringement while still allowing legitimate situations where hundreds of companies happen to use the same name?
Trademarks are far too complicated to be enforced by an app store. Some infringements are blatant and can be blocked or removed quickly, but most require months of work.
Someone infringed on my trademark in Apple's App Store once, and I contacted Apple. All they did was give me contact details for the person in China who infringed, and told me to let them know if I don't get any response (he responded immediately and was nice enough to remove the app from the store along with a sincere apology).
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550841#p31550841:k5es7n4y said:SpinelessWonder[/url]":k5es7n4y]It seems like every other day there is yet another example of how the Google ecosystem is horribly implemented and maintained. Google needs to do a better job protecting their users.
Android currently reminds me of Windows XP pre-SP2. You'd think Google would have learned from others mistakes, but they haven't.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31553373#p31553373:1ahqrcjy said:the_frakker[/url]":1ahqrcjy]If an app was not malicious, but simply made ad-clicks to a service in the background a couple times a day to generate revenue, would that be acceptable?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552891#p31552891:ykppuv1f said:fivemack[/url]":ykppuv1f][url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551605#p31551605:ykppuv1f said:macd2point0[/url]":ykppuv1f]Protecting a trademark is the trademark holder's responsibility and no one else's. Do you really expect Google, or even Apple to investigate the IP of every app in their marketplace? A trademark can be licensed, so an automated approach really can't work. Really, Nintendo should have been the first to send Google a cease and desist letter.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31551463#p31551463:ykppuv1f said:castleblanc[/url]":ykppuv1f]So, does Google Play not include some verification that the proclaimed publisher of the app is really the publisher? I mean, someone can't claim to be Electronic Arts but not really be them, right?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550519#p31550519:ykppuv1f said:crispyfrenchfries[/url]":ykppuv1f][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550463#p31550463:ykppuv1f said:ricm[/url]":ykppuv1f]If it locks the screen inmediatelly after installation, how did Google miss that in their own tests for Google play approval?
When you push an app for Google Play approval, there isn't any human interaction with that app. It's just generic scanning and then almost instant approval.
Because that would be just stupid if that's not the case.
But Google could make the job easier - for example, sending an email to the registered trademark holder giving them 24 hours to approve, and denying automatically if they don't get that approval. There is an imbalance and a neglect of the public interest in a mechanism where 'developers can upload instantly' is a priority over 'trademarks aren't infringed' and 'customers don't get malware'
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552913#p31552913:2jfxjkxe said:crawfish[/url]":2jfxjkxe][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550841#p31550841:2jfxjkxe said:SpinelessWonder[/url]":2jfxjkxe]It seems like every other day there is yet another example of how the Google ecosystem is horribly implemented and maintained. Google needs to do a better job protecting their users.
Android currently reminds me of Windows XP pre-SP2. You'd think Google would have learned from others mistakes, but they haven't.
Just go ahead and say it. This wouldn't happen on the App Store.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31553575#p31553575:2atm3uay said:Mitlov[/url]":2atm3uay][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552913#p31552913:2atm3uay said:crawfish[/url]":2atm3uay][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550841#p31550841:2atm3uay said:SpinelessWonder[/url]":2atm3uay]It seems like every other day there is yet another example of how the Google ecosystem is horribly implemented and maintained. Google needs to do a better job protecting their users.
Android currently reminds me of Windows XP pre-SP2. You'd think Google would have learned from others mistakes, but they haven't.
Just go ahead and say it. This wouldn't happen on the App Store.
Malicious apps getting into even a curated store happens to everyone sooner or later...
http://meincmagazine.com/security/2015/09 ... app-store/
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31554285#p31554285:o2onfchp said:deanrozz[/url]"2onfchp]
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31553575#p31553575:o2onfchp said:Mitlov[/url]"2onfchp]
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31552913#p31552913:o2onfchp said:crawfish[/url]"2onfchp]
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31550841#p31550841:o2onfchp said:SpinelessWonder[/url]"2onfchp]It seems like every other day there is yet another example of how the Google ecosystem is horribly implemented and maintained. Google needs to do a better job protecting their users.
Android currently reminds me of Windows XP pre-SP2. You'd think Google would have learned from others mistakes, but they haven't.
Just go ahead and say it. This wouldn't happen on the App Store.
Malicious apps getting into even a curated store happens to everyone sooner or later...
http://meincmagazine.com/security/2015/09 ... app-store/
Ah, yes. The tried and true method of deflection. When faced with a problem on your platform, talk about issues with other platforms instead.
Are you going to claim that the number of malicious Apps that get into The App Store are equal?