For what it's worth, it's not his property: domain names are not owned by their registrants. That's why we pay for the privilege of their control at regular intervals. If he is a squatter, then he is an asshole (though no less a victim, and in no way deserving of anything remotely close to what he endured).Wow, every single person in this story is an asshole.
Why is the domain owner an asshole? I'm not a fan of domain squatting either (also no mention in the article of the guys was, indeed, squatting on the domain or using it), but surely he has every right to price his property however the hell he wants. Even if that means nobody wants to buy it because, honestly, there are plenty of other options...
From the article...Why is the victim an asshole? Is it because he wanted $20,000? Is it because he tried to disarm the attacker when he feared for his life?Wow, every single person in this story is an asshole.
It seems to me the victim was just chilling in his house and the assholes attacked him.
Maybe I am missing something.
The victim was a domain squatter. Also known as an "asshole". Also, the convicted is an idiot for failing to renew their registrations, among other obvious reasons.Adams told law enforcement that "he used to own the doitforstate.com domain name" before the victim did, according to the trial brief. The victim registered the domain name on GoDaddy sometime after Adams lost control of it.
I mean, I would have just transferred it, then called the police, and pressed charges for armed robbery, breaking and entering, and grand theft of a domain name. Then, I would have had a court order GoDaddy to transfer the domain back to me as stolen property.
I upvoted you, but in reality I think the victims actions probably saved his live. After being pistol whipped multiple time, tased multiple times, and being threatened with death if the transfer didn't go through, the victim most likely thought the next step in the process was his murder. How else would they get away with this crime. Once the transfer was complete, the assailant had no further use of the victim; in fact the victim was a liability.
Proving intent to murder in this case is probably impossible, but I have a strong suspicion that was the original plan.
He can make a guest appearance.I look forward to the Coen brothers' adaptation of this story.
I'm not sure if this story is better or the one about the dentist on a hoverboard.
Given that the story says he was "previously sentenced to 20 years in prison as part of a plea agreement," I'm guessing he survived the three shots to the chest.I don't know...it doesn't say he died anywhere just that he "ended up suffering gunshot wounds".On a positive note a criminal was shot several times with his own gun. It sounds like the wounds nearly removed him from the gene pool.
Which is lucky for Adams; he probably would be facing a life sentence for felony murder if Hopkins had died.
Given that the story says he was "previously sentenced to 20 years in prison as part of a plea agreement," I'm guessing he survived the three shots to the chest.I don't know...it doesn't say he died anywhere just that he "ended up suffering gunshot wounds".On a positive note a criminal was shot several times with his own gun. It sounds like the wounds nearly removed him from the gene pool.
Which is lucky for Adams; he probably would be facing a life sentence for felony murder if Hopkins had died.
Highly unlikely.
Violent home invader that pistol whipped you and shot you in the leg? You would have a reasonable fear of additional bodily injury. I suspect even in California under those conditions you'd be OK, but this is Iowa which has the castle doctrine, which would totally protect the home owner in this situation - the home owner could have shot the guy as soon as he came in the front door and been just fine.
Personally speaking, I'd have done the exact same thing, except maybe with better aim...
Wow, every single person in this story is an asshole.
Why is the victim an asshole? Is it because he wanted $20,000? Is it because he tried to disarm the attacker when he feared for his life?
It seems to me the victim was just chilling in his house and the assholes attacked him.
Maybe I am missing something.
The wording in the article is kind of ambiguous. The two ways I can understand the events between Idiot and Squatter:
1) Squatter had bought up domains ahead of time. Idiot decided they wanted one that Squatter owned, but did not like the price. => Idiot is totally in the wrong and an asshole, Squatter is fine.
2) Idiot owned the domain but did not renew in time, Squatter bought it as it expired then demanded Idiot pay 20,000 to get it back. => Idiot is totally in the wrong and an asshole, Squatter is also an asshole but a way lesser sort. In the same kind of way that cutting someone off makes you an asshole driver, but murdering someone for cutting you off is so out of proportionally worse that the original asshole move is a rounding error.
You've got the who's who wrong. Adams is the douche who instigated the plot, not the victim.Given that the story says he was "previously sentenced to 20 years in prison as part of a plea agreement," I'm guessing he survived the three shots to the chest.I don't know...it doesn't say he died anywhere just that he "ended up suffering gunshot wounds".On a positive note a criminal was shot several times with his own gun. It sounds like the wounds nearly removed him from the gene pool.
Which is lucky for Adams; he probably would be facing a life sentence for felony murder if Hopkins had died.
Highly unlikely.
Violent home invader that pistol whipped you and shot you in the leg? You would have a reasonable fear of additional bodily injury. I suspect even in California under those conditions you'd be OK, but this is Iowa which has the castle doctrine, which would totally protect the home owner in this situation - the home owner could have shot the guy as soon as he came in the front door and been just fine.
Personally speaking, I'd have done the exact same thing, except maybe with better aim...
Those aren't the only two options the assailant had. There's always torture. After all, how many bones should the victim be willing to sacrifice to protect a domain name?Given that the story says he was "previously sentenced to 20 years in prison as part of a plea agreement," I'm guessing he survived the three shots to the chest.I don't know...it doesn't say he died anywhere just that he "ended up suffering gunshot wounds".On a positive note a criminal was shot several times with his own gun. It sounds like the wounds nearly removed him from the gene pool.
Which is lucky for Adams; he probably would be facing a life sentence for felony murder if Hopkins had died.
Highly unlikely.
Violent home invader that pistol whipped you and shot you in the leg? You would have a reasonable fear of additional bodily injury. I suspect even in California under those conditions you'd be OK, but this is Iowa which has the castle doctrine, which would totally protect the home owner in this situation - the home owner could have shot the guy as soon as he came in the front door and been just fine.
Personally speaking, I'd have done the exact same thing, except maybe with better aim...
Yes, IF HE's already pistol whipped me and shot me in the leg. I didn't mean I'd cooperate at that point. That definitely changes things.
But, as I've thought about this more, I also realized that you could go the other way too: "Look, if you shoot me, you will never, ever, ever, ever get the domain name. I've got a buddy that will inherit the domain name upon my death. You might as well leave, because you can't kill the domain name away from me, so you have literally zero leverage."
I mean, if you point that out, they have a decision to make. Whether to shoot you out of spite with nothing to gain, or just to flee.
Wow, every single person in this story is an asshole.
Why is the victim an asshole? Is it because he wanted $20,000? Is it because he tried to disarm the attacker when he feared for his life?
It seems to me the victim was just chilling in his house and the assholes attacked him.
Maybe I am missing something.
The wording in the article is kind of ambiguous. The two ways I can understand the events between Idiot and Squatter:
1) Squatter had bought up domains ahead of time. Idiot decided they wanted one that Squatter owned, but did not like the price. => Idiot is totally in the wrong and an asshole, Squatter is fine.
2) Idiot owned the domain but did not renew in time, Squatter bought it as it expired then demanded Idiot pay 20,000 to get it back. => Idiot is totally in the wrong and an asshole, Squatter is also an asshole but a way lesser sort. In the same kind of way that cutting someone off makes you an asshole driver, but murdering someone for cutting you off is so out of proportionally worse that the original asshole move is a rounding error.
Given that the story says he was "previously sentenced to 20 years in prison as part of a plea agreement," I'm guessing he survived the three shots to the chest.I don't know...it doesn't say he died anywhere just that he "ended up suffering gunshot wounds".On a positive note a criminal was shot several times with his own gun. It sounds like the wounds nearly removed him from the gene pool.
Which is lucky for Adams; he probably would be facing a life sentence for felony murder if Hopkins had died.
Highly unlikely.
Violent home invader that pistol whipped you and shot you in the leg? You would have a reasonable fear of additional bodily injury. I suspect even in California under those conditions you'd be OK, but this is Iowa which has the castle doctrine, which would totally protect the home owner in this situation - the home owner could have shot the guy as soon as he came in the front door and been just fine.
Personally speaking, I'd have done the exact same thing, except maybe with better aim...
From the article...Why is the victim an asshole? Is it because he wanted $20,000? Is it because he tried to disarm the attacker when he feared for his life?Wow, every single person in this story is an asshole.
It seems to me the victim was just chilling in his house and the assholes attacked him.
Maybe I am missing something.
The victim was a domain squatter. Also known as an "asshole". Also, the convicted is an idiot for failing to renew their registrations, among other obvious reasons.Adams told law enforcement that "he used to own the doitforstate.com domain name" before the victim did, according to the trial brief. The victim registered the domain name on GoDaddy sometime after Adams lost control of it.
How could this have ended well for Adams? Surely he would be the prime suspect.
[url=https://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=38385913#p38385913 said:Given that the story says he was "previously sentenced to 20 years in prison as part of a plea agreement," I'm guessing he survived the three shots to the chest.
Which is lucky for Adams; he probably would be facing a life sentence for felony murder if Hopkins had died.
Highly unlikely.
Violent home invader that pistol whipped you and shot you in the leg? You would have a reasonable fear of additional bodily injury. I suspect even in California under those conditions you'd be OK, but this is Iowa which has the castle doctrine, which would totally protect the home owner in this situation - the home owner could have shot the guy as soon as he came in the front door and been just fine.
Personally speaking, I'd have done the exact same thing, except maybe with better aim...
In Iowa (and California) you are allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself from deadly force. Shot with a gun you brought in somebody else's house, and the guy that shot you has injuries from being pistol whipped is an ironclad defense, with or without castle doctrine laws.
Also in Iowa (and California and probably every other state) if you hire somebody to commit a felony and they wind up getting killed as a direct consequence of doing so, you will face prosecution for murder.
What not killing Hopkins did for the victim is it allowed him to have a live (if hostile) witness to establish that Adams had arranged the crime. Had he killed Hopkins, he might have had a much harder time proving that Adams was behind it and he could still be in danger.
Thus it's likely it's a lucky accident for everybody involved that Hopkins is still alive (most of all Hopkins). You don't shoot somebody several times in the chest expecting that they'll be around to testify at trial.
Ah, I thought they meant he already had a record...clicking the link makes it clear it was for this crime, not a previous one.Given that the story says he was "previously sentenced to 20 years in prison as part of a plea agreement," I'm guessing he survived the three shots to the chest.I don't know...it doesn't say he died anywhere just that he "ended up suffering gunshot wounds".On a positive note a criminal was shot several times with his own gun. It sounds like the wounds nearly removed him from the gene pool.
Which is lucky for Adams; he probably would be facing a life sentence for felony murder if Hopkins had died.
I mean, I would have just transferred it, then called the police, and pressed charges for armed robbery, breaking and entering, and grand theft of a domain name. Then, I would have had a court order GoDaddy to transfer the domain back to me as stolen property.
Dumbest part of it was that the victim WAS in the process of doing exactly that, until the gunman flipped out and threatened to blow his head off. At which point the victim got REALLY scared and tackled him for the gun.I mean, I would have just transferred it, then called the police, and pressed charges for armed robbery, breaking and entering, and grand theft of a domain name. Then, I would have had a court order GoDaddy to transfer the domain back to me as stolen property.
Meh. You've gotta be a special kind of stupid to not have auto-renew enabled with your registrar for domains you really care about. And this dolt is clearly that kind of stupid. People who get their domains squatted are just careless.Wow, every single person in this story is an asshole.
Why is the victim an asshole? Is it because he wanted $20,000? Is it because he tried to disarm the attacker when he feared for his life?
It seems to me the victim was just chilling in his house and the assholes attacked him.
Maybe I am missing something.
The wording in the article is kind of ambiguous. The two ways I can understand the events between Idiot and Squatter:
1) Squatter had bought up domains ahead of time. Idiot decided they wanted one that Squatter owned, but did not like the price. => Idiot is totally in the wrong and an asshole, Squatter is fine.
2) Idiot owned the domain but did not renew in time, Squatter bought it as it expired then demanded Idiot pay 20,000 to get it back. => Idiot is totally in the wrong and an asshole, Squatter is also an asshole but a way lesser sort. In the same kind of way that cutting someone off makes you an asshole driver, but murdering someone for cutting you off is so out of proportionally worse that the original asshole move is a rounding error.
Wow, what a douche. He deserves the prison time for sure.
But -- I don't get the decision to add on "court costs."
"Adams had court-appointed counsel during trial, but the court later discovered Adams was earning significant amounts of money while the case was pending,"
I thought the whole "an attorney will be appointed for you if you can not or will not afford one" (or however that goes) meant that everyone was entitled to a public defender if they wanted it.
Justice -- even if it goes against you -- shouldn't carry a cost.
Was curious myself and after some casual Googling it at least appears that the court is only constitutionally required to offer free legal representation if you cannot afford to cover the costs yourself. No mention of 'will'.
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-r ... orney.html
You know in retrospect maybe $20,000 wasn't so bad.
A domain name strikes me as a particularly stupid thing to steal. Domain names aren't tangible objects, nor are they decentralized crypto-nonsense like Bitcoin. You can't actually steal a domain name and get away with it, because the domain only exists in the authoritative DNS servers of the registry. Did this guy really think the registry would just say "aw, shucks, I guess it's his domain now!"I mean, I would have just transferred it, then called the police, and pressed charges for armed robbery, breaking and entering, and grand theft of a domain name. Then, I would have had a court order GoDaddy to transfer the domain back to me as stolen property.
Exactly my point - he could steal it from me, but not keep it for long, so why would I risk my life resisting his demand? I'll just go through the motions of transferring it then file a police report. This is a crime that can't possibly succeed.
How could this have ended well for Adams? Surely he would be the prime suspect.
Given that the story says he was "previously sentenced to 20 years in prison as part of a plea agreement," I'm guessing he survived the three shots to the chest.I don't know...it doesn't say he died anywhere just that he "ended up suffering gunshot wounds".On a positive note a criminal was shot several times with his own gun. It sounds like the wounds nearly removed him from the gene pool.
Which is lucky for Adams; he probably would be facing a life sentence for felony murder if Hopkins had died.
Given that the story says he was "previously sentenced to 20 years in prison as part of a plea agreement," I'm guessing he survived the three shots to the chest.I don't know...it doesn't say he died anywhere just that he "ended up suffering gunshot wounds".On a positive note a criminal was shot several times with his own gun. It sounds like the wounds nearly removed him from the gene pool.
Which is lucky for Adams; he probably would be facing a life sentence for felony murder if Hopkins had died.
Highly unlikely.
Violent home invader that pistol whipped you and shot you in the leg? You would have a reasonable fear of additional bodily injury. I suspect even in California under those conditions you'd be OK, but this is Iowa which has the castle doctrine, which would totally protect the home owner in this situation - the home owner could have shot the guy as soon as he came in the front door and been just fine.
Personally speaking, I'd have done the exact same thing, except maybe with better aim...
[url=https://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=38385913#p38385913 said:Given that the story says he was "previously sentenced to 20 years in prison as part of a plea agreement," I'm guessing he survived the three shots to the chest.
Which is lucky for Adams; he probably would be facing a life sentence for felony murder if Hopkins had died.
Highly unlikely.
Violent home invader that pistol whipped you and shot you in the leg? You would have a reasonable fear of additional bodily injury. I suspect even in California under those conditions you'd be OK, but this is Iowa which has the castle doctrine, which would totally protect the home owner in this situation - the home owner could have shot the guy as soon as he came in the front door and been just fine.
Personally speaking, I'd have done the exact same thing, except maybe with better aim...
In Iowa (and California) you are allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself from deadly force. Shot with a gun you brought in somebody else's house, and the guy that shot you has injuries from being pistol whipped is an ironclad defense, with or without castle doctrine laws.
Also in Iowa (and California and probably every other state) if you hire somebody to commit a felony and they wind up getting killed as a direct consequence of doing so, you will face prosecution for murder.
What not killing Hopkins did for the victim is it allowed him to have a live (if hostile) witness to establish that Adams had arranged the crime. Had he killed Hopkins, he might have had a much harder time proving that Adams was behind it and he could still be in danger.
Thus it's likely it's a lucky accident for everybody involved that Hopkins is still alive (most of all Hopkins). You don't shoot somebody several times in the chest expecting that they'll be around to testify at trial.
I think between the victim recognizing the voice on the call, the call records, the phone purchases, the blood relation between Adams and Hopkins, and the contact information given to transfer the account, it would have been a pretty slam-dunk case for felony murder against Adams even (necessarily) without Hopkins testifying.
That said, I imagine it was still lucky for the victim that Hopkins didn't die, both because it made the whole investigation easier, and because he doesn't have to live with killing someone (even in self defense).
But yeah, I certainly wasn't trying to imply that the homeowner would face any legal consequences if Hopkins had died. IANAL, but this reads as textbook self-defense to me.
Well I suspect that Adams will get done in state prison.I think the million dollar question is,
"Did he Do it for ( the) State"?
This being GoDaddy, it's unlikely you'd ever get it back, court order or otherwise.I mean, I would have just transferred it, then called the police, and pressed charges for armed robbery, breaking and entering, and grand theft of a domain name. Then, I would have had a court order GoDaddy to transfer the domain back to me as stolen property.
How could this have ended well for Adams? Surely he would be the prime suspect.
so strange, pantyhose on the head while you are giving the victim your contact details at gun point.
Someone should tell him that there are a bunch of new TLD's.......