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F1 in Monaco: Finally, the cars were flat-out in qualifying
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I watched some on-car footage of one of Antonelli's laps (not sure if it was qualifying or in-race). This is spot on, I have no idea how the drivers manage this sort of track and not wreck their car. Absolutely impressive.
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The race was so crazy with penalties that first Cadillac got their first point only to lose it to Aston Martin after the race. Unconceivable!
And Russell creating a back up that resulted in two cars t-boning a Williams was also very entertaining.
And Russell creating a back up that resulted in two cars t-boning a Williams was also very entertaining.
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Hi ! This is 2026 calling. I heard your cars were chock-full of telemetry, making it trivial to check and review their exact ground speed at any time anywhere on the track.
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Sergio Perez will be spending today working as valet, parking his coworkers cars. He will be required to both park them in the correct parking spot and within the lines for said spot.
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The fact that Mercedes gets ADUO is actually mind-boggling. It shouldn't have happened, benchmarks be damned. Toto really cooked with this one as their MGU-K is the key here to understanding why they got this. As I understand it, FIA doesn't use anything other than ICE performance to determine ADUO. So despite their PU in total being the best package, they still get upgrade credits.
I don't know what else to say. The regs in writing and the ADUO process is plain underbaked.
I don't know what else to say. The regs in writing and the ADUO process is plain underbaked.
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I’m not really a fan of Sprint weekends, but it seems like that would make sense at Monaco. More qualy, less procession driving.
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Keith Tanner
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Has Monaco EVER been a good race in the F1 era?
Nobody had an answer for Kimi this year. He wasn't limping around blocking traffic and winning due to his track position, he had the pace on everyone. I had hopes for that restart but Hamilton just couldn't keep up and the Ferrari magic start wasn't quite enough to make up for a grid position 8m further back.
My wife works in heavy highway construction and got her start in testing. She said that asphalt patch was the right choice for a smooth city street with billionaires driving their Lamborghinis at 20 kmh, but the aggregate was far too small to deal with the loads you'd see on an interstate or a racetrack. Sure, it's coarser and noisier but it holds together better especially under shear. She also felt the oil was probably the wrong choice. Poor Stroll and Charles got bitten.
Nobody had an answer for Kimi this year. He wasn't limping around blocking traffic and winning due to his track position, he had the pace on everyone. I had hopes for that restart but Hamilton just couldn't keep up and the Ferrari magic start wasn't quite enough to make up for a grid position 8m further back.
My wife works in heavy highway construction and got her start in testing. She said that asphalt patch was the right choice for a smooth city street with billionaires driving their Lamborghinis at 20 kmh, but the aggregate was far too small to deal with the loads you'd see on an interstate or a racetrack. Sure, it's coarser and noisier but it holds together better especially under shear. She also felt the oil was probably the wrong choice. Poor Stroll and Charles got bitten.
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For such a chaotic feeling race very little actually happened on track. The racing was mostly a procession with some pretty aggressive team tactics. I don't recall an actual pass for position during the telecast that didn't occur due to mechanical issues or to avoid a penalty for the car ahead. I had some hopes that the slightly smaller cars would create opportunities but Monaco has once again dashed them.
I'm only slightly surprised that Mercedes got ADUO. Their advantage hasn't been in outright power this season, they've instead been best in the energy recovery phase leading them to have more area under the curve over a lap versus peak power. What I'm more disappointed with is that the FIA didn't aim to assess something like torque seconds over the fastest qualifying lap on select weekends to try to encompass ICE, recovery, and deployment to measure the overall power system.
I'm only slightly surprised that Mercedes got ADUO. Their advantage hasn't been in outright power this season, they've instead been best in the energy recovery phase leading them to have more area under the curve over a lap versus peak power. What I'm more disappointed with is that the FIA didn't aim to assess something like torque seconds over the fastest qualifying lap on select weekends to try to encompass ICE, recovery, and deployment to measure the overall power system.
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Keith Tanner
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The slightly smaller cars won't make any difference to passing, the track just isn't big enough for anything other than a Spec Miata and even then you'd have to be willing to make contact to get by. I think Monaco should be turned into a kart race. All of these guys got their start that way anyhow.
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Jakelshark
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Lando Norris has had such terrible luck this season with reliability
Would have been nice to see Lewis and Charles on the podium. At least Lewis is looking good this year!
We got soooo close to a Cadillac point. I wonder if this will be Aston Martin's only point of the year. Also what is up with Bottas compared to Checo? It's not even close.
Would have been nice to see Lewis and Charles on the podium. At least Lewis is looking good this year!
We got soooo close to a Cadillac point. I wonder if this will be Aston Martin's only point of the year. Also what is up with Bottas compared to Checo? It's not even close.
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Is Spa on the schedule this year? If so, may the rain gods intervene and both Cadillac & Aston Martin can get some points!
Perez seems to handling himself well this year, and we know Alonso can drive in the rain with his eyes closed...
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This is mind-numbing. With everything else going on, a driver would have to now calculate averages, because the speed limiter button on the steering wheel is not enough?!?
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My opinion is as much a guess as anyone else, but Bottas seemed to be a bit unambitious and phoned it in too much - even at Mercedes. Which is why Toto wanted to bring George in a lot quicker than he was contractually able to.
As for Checo? Perhaps he was never mediocre, and he suffered from the Red Bull Experience(TM). Lets face it he did a better job of 2nd driver at Red Bull than any other driver since the Riccardo/Verstappen year.
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No, the drivers simply have to stay in the marked lane in the pits instead of short cutting the jinks that are in place to get that lane to safely get by all the pits. The Monaco pit lane is not straight like most other tracks. Only a handful of drivers got a penalty, the others did it correctly.
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The really impressive thing to understand is that the drivers are actually driving their lines to those margins in the quali sessions at every track, more or less. It's precisely why quali is often decided by a few hundredths of a second over a ~5km lap. The thing about Monaco is that being off your line by a few centimetres doesn't just mean the difference between 1st and 3rd on the grid, but often whether or not you have a car with all four wheel at the end of the lap.
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most importantly also, they were told explicitly beforehand about the risk this year (it's reported in the motorsport.com linked article) so they have no excuse.
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On the one hand: absolutely.
On the other hand: if you're not here for the Rules Shithousery, you're missing out on a considerable part of the fun of F1.
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It is. July 19th. I think it will switch to every other season after next year.
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If Kimi is undone this year, it'll be because he's incapable of backing off; he's a Border Collie pup, just go-go-go all the time.
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My not always reliable Cadillac source claims Perez has a newer chassis than Bottas. Not sure if that was a new thing for Monaco
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Keith Tanner
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Looks like they do actually race at Monaco with actual racing, not just a time trial followed by a parade. There's also apparently a lot of energy management which, of course, is exactly what everyone was complaining about in the previous rounds of this season of F1. So I guess we either get overtaking with energy management or we get a parade.
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