Everyone loves the new couple on the block in first Wandavision trailer

It's set after <em>Endgame</em>, will tie in with <em>Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness</em>.

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[Thad Boyd]

Help me past my OCD, please:

How is Vision still around?

We don't know yet. Though there have been storylines in the comics where

Spoiler

Scarlet Witch went nuts after suffering a catastrophic loss and reshaped reality to rebuild her family,

so that's one possible explanation.

All I know is that Marvel seems to be rather good at non-traditional superhero shows. Like the "...I thought those were regular brownies!?" Legion and now this.

Legion was Fox.

Tangential, but since Disney owns Fox now, I wonder if they'll use Wanda as the bridge between those universes. She seems to be a pretty popular character, and there's no way they don't pull XMen in, right?

I always figured they'd make a clean break with X-Men and just start over and recast everybody. (Except Deadpool; Bob Iger suggested the Deadpool series will continue under Disney. Which is fine; Deadpool is well-suited to being shunted over to a new continuity and just shrugging and going with it, with a few fourth-wall-breaking wisecracks along the way.) Dark Phoenix tanked, and New Mutants...I think is out? I'm not even sure. I don't see much there that Disney would want to salvage and integrate into the MCU.

 

[Travis Butler]

Help me past my OCD, please:

How is Vision still around?

It's the Scarlet Witch's reality altering power with no defined rules on what it can do.

I predict we won't know exactly what is happening until Dr. Strange 2 comes out.

I don't think that will work, if Doctor Strange 2 comes out you can't assume everyone who goes to see it will have watched the streaming show, especially since Disney+ may not be released in every country yet.

You also don't want to spend lots of time doing recaps to the show in the film.

It's one thing to expect people to have seen the previous film not a TV/streaming show.

Yup. And that's an example of a larger problem with tying the movies into TV shows - you don't want your big summer tentpole blockbuster to depend on events/continuity introduced in a TV series that's only been seen by a small fraction of your blockbuster audience. Any references have to be cool easter eggs that show viewers will catch, or things that can stand on their own without needing the TV series to explain.

(The helicarrier is a good example; you can just throw in Fury waving a hand, here it is!, because he's Nick Fury and the audience will accept that he could pull something like that off without needing to know the details. Having AoS explain how that happened is a nice bonus for people watching the show, but it's not needed for the movie to work.)

 

[Ushio]

Help me past my OCD, please:

How is Vision still around?

We don't know yet. Though there have been storylines in the comics where

Spoiler

Scarlet Witch went nuts after suffering a catastrophic loss and reshaped reality to rebuild her family,

so that's one possible explanation.

All I know is that Marvel seems to be rather good at non-traditional superhero shows. Like the "...I thought those were regular brownies!?" Legion and now this.

Legion was Fox.

Tangential, but since Disney owns Fox now, I wonder if they'll use Wanda as the bridge between those universes. She seems to be a pretty popular character, and there's no way they don't pull XMen in, right?

I always figured they'd make a clean break with X-Men and just start over and recast everybody. (Except Deadpool; Bob Iger suggested the Deadpool series will continue under Disney. Which is fine; Deadpool is well-suited to being shunted over to a new continuity and just shrugging and going with it, with a few fourth-wall-breaking wisecracks along the way.) Dark Phoenix tanked, and New Mutants...I think is out? I'm not even sure. I don't see much there that Disney would want to salvage and integrate into the MCU.

Ryan Reynolds originally said DP 3 was in development back in mid 2019 but a couple of weeks ago he said all development stopped and Disney are no longer interested and that DP3 probably isn't going to happen.

 

[tratclif]

I wasn't talking about what is good or enjoyable, just what is filler. Filler and good aren't necessarily mutually exclusive (though IMO, they often will be). Filler, as implied by the name isn't important, it's there to pad out space.

For example, in my opinion, in Avatar the Last Airbender, there are several episodes that could technically be considered "filler" by some, such as Avatar day, as they don't really advance the main plot. However they advance the characters, and had generally good content.

The anime definition of filler is "non-canon junk made up by the animation studio because they needed to fill time." It has nothing to do with if it advances the main plot or not, though since it's non-canon, it clearly can't.

RPGs have side quests, but they're not called filler either.

A quest or episode that explores a character or fleshes out the world or a relationship isn't filler. Details are what make characters and stories unique, otherwise you're left with archetypes and man vs man/nature/himself/cyborgs.

There's a blog post from former Avengers (comics) writer Kurt Busiek that I like to quote:

I didn't realise there were Avengers comics. I'd like to see more of John Steed's adventures.

Actually, quite a few from 1966 to 2013: http://www.johnsteedsflat.com/Johnsteedcomics.html

[expecting to be ninjaed]

 

[Thad Boyd]

Help me past my OCD, please:

How is Vision still around?

We don't know yet. Though there have been storylines in the comics where

Spoiler

Scarlet Witch went nuts after suffering a catastrophic loss and reshaped reality to rebuild her family,

so that's one possible explanation.

All I know is that Marvel seems to be rather good at non-traditional superhero shows. Like the "...I thought those were regular brownies!?" Legion and now this.

Legion was Fox.

Tangential, but since Disney owns Fox now, I wonder if they'll use Wanda as the bridge between those universes. She seems to be a pretty popular character, and there's no way they don't pull XMen in, right?

I always figured they'd make a clean break with X-Men and just start over and recast everybody. (Except Deadpool; Bob Iger suggested the Deadpool series will continue under Disney. Which is fine; Deadpool is well-suited to being shunted over to a new continuity and just shrugging and going with it, with a few fourth-wall-breaking wisecracks along the way.) Dark Phoenix tanked, and New Mutants...I think is out? I'm not even sure. I don't see much there that Disney would want to salvage and integrate into the MCU.

Ryan Reynolds originally said DP 3 was in development back in mid 2019 but a couple of weeks ago he said all development stopped and Disney are no longer interested and that DP3 probably isn't going to happen.

Fair enough; thanks for the update. Iger is on his way out.

ETA: I looked it up and the latest I'm seeing from Reynolds is about six weeks ago:

In an interview with Fast Company, Reynolds gave a three-word update for Deadpool fans when asked what's happening with the character. The Canadian actor said, "Three words: I don't know." The actor cited the ongoing pandemic and said everything has been brought to a halt, including Deadpool. "Obviously, everything is on pause right now," he said.

So that's not quite "it's probably not going to happen". If you've got another source, though, feel free to share.

(I do see some recent news quoting Deadpool co-creator Rob Liefeld as saying Disney doesn't currently have any Deadpool plans, but he wouldn't be the first guy I'd go to for that kind of information.)

 

[graylshaped]

Help me past my OCD, please:

How is Vision still around?

It's the Scarlet Witch's reality altering power with no defined rules on what it can do.

I predict we won't know exactly what is happening until Dr. Strange 2 comes out.

I don't think that will work, if Doctor Strange 2 comes out you can't assume everyone who goes to see it will have watched the streaming show, especially since Disney+ may not be released in every country yet.

You also don't want to spend lots of time doing recaps to the show in the film.

It's one thing to expect people to have seen the previous film not a TV/streaming show.

My dad went with us to see Ant Man and the Wasp.

We gasped at the end title scene. He did not. On our way home, he said "I felt like the movie left things out."

He hadn't seen the first Ant-Man, nor had he seen any Marvel movie past Winter Soldier.

Context is king.

 

[wolfwood6]

Help me past my OCD, please:
How is Vision still around?

have you ever been to tahiti? lovely place.

Really? I heard it was magical.

 

[TheWerewolf]

House of W.

(side note - the label on the wine bottle is "Maison de Mépris" which translates to "House of Contempt" or scorn or disdain... but could also be a callout to "House of M" which happens after the infamous "No More Mutants" moment when Wanda rearranges the universe (and Magneto was pretty contemptuous or contemptable)...

 

[Thad Boyd]

(and Magneto was pretty contemptuous or contemptable)

 

[Batmanuel]

Help me past my OCD, please:

How is Vision still around?

It's the Scarlet Witch's reality altering power with no defined rules on what it can do.

I predict we won't know exactly what is happening until Dr. Strange 2 comes out.

I don't think that will work, if Doctor Strange 2 comes out you can't assume everyone who goes to see it will have watched the streaming show, especially since Disney+ may not be released in every country yet.

You also don't want to spend lots of time doing recaps to the show in the film.

It's one thing to expect people to have seen the previous film not a TV/streaming show.

Marvel has managed it pretty well with their movies, though. Not everyone who saw Endgame had watched Ant-Man and the Wasp previously, and it didn't really slow that movie down when there were a few lines of dialogue to explain what was up with Scott (although I kind of wish Luis had shown up at some point to provide a recap).

 

[Batmanuel]

House of W.

(side note - the label on the wine bottle is "Maison de Mépris" which translates to "House of Contempt" or scorn or disdain... but could also be a callout to "House of M" which happens after the infamous "No More Mutants" moment when Wanda rearranges the universe (and Magneto was pretty contemptuous or contemptable)...

 

[whiteknave]

House of W.

(side note - the label on the wine bottle is "Maison de Mépris" which translates to "House of Contempt" or scorn or disdain... but could also be a callout to "House of M" which happens after the infamous "No More Mutants" moment when Wanda rearranges the universe (and Magneto was pretty contemptuous or contemptable)...

Spoiler

Let's eat grandma.

 

[Peevester]

If it's after Endgame, Rogers should have returned the mindstone. There was no other mindstone available as Thanos destroyed it and all the others.

What am I missing?

Vision was dead even before the snap, so clearly there's something very weird going on. One fan theory I heard is that while Wanda was trying to gently remove the stone, she was also backing up Vision's mind into a little pocket reality. What we'll be seeing in this show is Wanda going to live in that pocket reality with whatever is left of Vision.

Scarlet Witch is insanely powerful in the comics, capable of things that the MCU has barely scratched the surface of. There's a lot of ways this can go, but you're not missing anything yet, it's literally the point of the show as far as I can tell.

 

[LieutenantLefse]

Help me past my OCD, please:

How is Vision still around?

It's unbelievable! It's a miracle! It's a TV dinner!

 

[Tofystedeth]

If it's after Endgame, Rogers should have returned the mindstone. There was no other mindstone available as Thanos destroyed it and all the others.

What am I missing?

Vision was dead even before the snap, so clearly there's something very weird going on. One fan theory I heard is that while Wanda was trying to gently remove the stone, she was also backing up Vision's mind into a little pocket reality. What we'll be seeing in this show is Wanda going to live in that pocket reality with whatever is left of Vision.

Scarlet Witch is insanely powerful in the comics, capable of things that the MCU has barely scratched the surface of. There's a lot of ways this can go, but you're not missing anything yet, it's literally the point of the show as far as I can tell.

True, but they've pretty impressive scratches.
She disintegrated an infinity stone.
She held back a fully stoned up Thanos.
In Endgame she scared him enough for him to order his ship to fire on them so he could get away.
Edit: Though that's just raw power like what we've seen from Captain Marvel, none of the weird reality altering hijinks.

 

[Peevester]

If it's after Endgame, Rogers should have returned the mindstone. There was no other mindstone available as Thanos destroyed it and all the others.

What am I missing?

Vision was dead even before the snap, so clearly there's something very weird going on. One fan theory I heard is that while Wanda was trying to gently remove the stone, she was also backing up Vision's mind into a little pocket reality. What we'll be seeing in this show is Wanda going to live in that pocket reality with whatever is left of Vision.

Scarlet Witch is insanely powerful in the comics, capable of things that the MCU has barely scratched the surface of. There's a lot of ways this can go, but you're not missing anything yet, it's literally the point of the show as far as I can tell.

True, but they've pretty impressive scratches.
She disintegrated an infinity stone.
She held back a fully stoned up Thanos.
In Endgame she scared him enough for him to order his ship to fire on them so he could get away.
Edit: Though that's just raw power like what we've seen from Captain Marvel, none of the weird reality altering hijinks.

Right, that's what I mean. Her physical power has gotten a decent airing, but we've seen very little of the other stuff. And that's probably a good thing, reality warping can destroy a story much like time travel if not handled VERY carefully.

 

[BullBearMS]

I think we can all agree that nobody is willing to subscribe to another pay service just to watch one show.

 

[Deleted member 221201]

I have a feeling Phase Four is going to be my most favorite phase. Bring on the Weird Shit(TM)—I am ready for it!

Are you taking about Disney + or climate change in Texas ?

 

[Aurich]

I think we can all agree that nobody is willing to subscribe to another pay service just to watch one show.

Probably not, but I'm already subbed to D+ and will be happy to have another show that makes it worthwhile.

 

[CatsRidingRoombas]

I'm looking forward to this, I've enjoyed all of these characters in the various movies so seeing them all together should be quite a treat.

 

[siliconaddict]

I'm not into drugs or anything but I feel this trailer would make 100% more sense if I was high.

PS- It was a nice surprise to see Debra Jo Rupp.

 

[Sonio]

Whether AoS is canonical to the MCU is widely-debated.

I had no idea there was a debate. The show was directly affected by the MCU in real time to the theatrical releases (Shield/Hydra) so it's bizarre to me that people would think it's not. Wasn't it a big deal that the movies and a TV show crossed over like that at the time?

But I'm not the kind of nerd who worries about canon stuff that much. AoS is clearly too low budget to swing the MCU actors and effects, so it's understandable to me that they're mostly separate.

Honestly the "everything is tied together and canon" thing has gotten old for me. It feels stifling instead of furthering creativity and new ideas. I'm curious to see this show, it looks interesting, but just letting loose good TV writers on the comics without constraints to try their own things sounds more interesting.

The "everything tied together" thing I think, will never get old to me. I can understand how self-contained movies can allow for greater freedom, but it makes so much sense considering the history of interconnectedness from the comic books of old. It was just a natural extension, and Marvel has done such a stupid good job, which doesn't hurt.

With regards to AoS being low budget -- this is something that has always struck me as odd. I mean, I know different productions have different budget levels, but it's all ultimately Disney. It seems like it should be trivial for Disney to throw some money at an Avenger here or there for an AoS episode or two.

Unless it's a strict company policy -- "here's the crew and budget for TV, there's the crew and budget for film, and never the twain shall meet".

But again, that just seems like an oddball policy, for as commonly accepted as it seems to be.

 

[houkoholic]

I always figured they'd make a clean break with X-Men and just start over and recast everybody. (Except Deadpool; Bob Iger suggested the Deadpool series will continue under Disney. Which is fine; Deadpool is well-suited to being shunted over to a new continuity and just shrugging and going with it, with a few fourth-wall-breaking wisecracks along the way.) Dark Phoenix tanked, and New Mutants...I think is out? I'm not even sure. I don't see much there that Disney would want to salvage and integrate into the MCU.

No major plot threads to salvage but Fox's X-Men created/casted some darn good actors - for example Fox had a much more memorable Quicksilver and made an awesome choice in X-23 which are both fan favourites and might be worth carrying over (I personally also really like Michael Fassbender's Magneto). And apparently Fox's Quicksilver actor Evan Peters is currently listed as part of the cast of WandaVision and people are already going nuts over it.

 

[Chuckstar]

I think we can all agree that nobody is willing to subscribe to another pay service just to watch one show.

No, but there are people who have already said that about The Mandalorian, and if they are also interested in WandaVision, now there are two shows on D+ they'd be interested in.

Also, so far all of the subscriptions services seem to be cancellable on a monthly basis. So it's not crazy to sign up, watch through one show over the course of a couple weeks, then cancel the subscription. Certainly two things the subscription services will be trying to achieve are (1) multiple shows any one person will want to watch on their service and (2) at the very least, be in the rotation for the people that periodically rotate their subscriptions between services.

 

[Thad Boyd]

I'm not into drugs or anything but I feel this trailer would make 100% more sense if I was high.

I was watching Dancing with the Birds the other night on Netflix and I thought "You know, I wonder how the recreational cannabis initiative on this year's ballot is polling."

 

[SixDegrees]

Whether AoS is canonical to the MCU is widely-debated.

I had no idea there was a debate. The show was directly affected by the MCU in real time to the theatrical releases (Shield/Hydra) so it's bizarre to me that people would think it's not. Wasn't it a big deal that the movies and a TV show crossed over like that at the time?

But I'm not the kind of nerd who worries about canon stuff that much. AoS is clearly too low budget to swing the MCU actors and effects, so it's understandable to me that they're mostly separate.

Honestly the "everything is tied together and canon" thing has gotten old for me. It feels stifling instead of furthering creativity and new ideas. I'm curious to see this show, it looks interesting, but just letting loose good TV writers on the comics without constraints to try their own things sounds more interesting.

Me, I'm just feeling fatigued by trying to keep track of the vast sprawl of characters and events, as well as the financial and time obligation needed to stay up to date with it all. Having to subscribe to yet another streaming service in order to participate isn't helping, either.

In short, I'm just tired of Marvel and its offerings. It's been a fun ride, but I feel like the end of the Avengers arc was enough for me. I'm just not all that interested anymore.

 

[Lonyo]

I would guess if the release date is Dec 2020 that the first episode would be released almost the same time as the last episode of season 2 of the Mandalorian to try and get people to maintain their subscriptions.

 

[TaylorGerr]

The trailer is cool, but to me it is incomfortable, tha cinematic universe merges with TV. Now you have to combime these formats. And you have to buy a subscription for that!

 

[yd]

Dangit, Disney, I don't even think I can get Disney here (not that I would for just this show). Netlix has Marvel (Jessica Jones) here so maybe it will get on Netflix eventually.

 

[Faceless Man]

Some very nice call-outs to the comic book outfits and just enough paranoia to be interesting.

I hope this gets treated better by Marvel than Agents of SHIELD did.

AoS was stuck with the broadcast TV model 20+ episodes a year for as many years as you can get. That limits what you can do compared to shorter, tighter plotted streaming shows.

There were also internal politics at work. There's a reason that, after the first season, SHIELD stops tying in with the MCU: Disney siloed the two divisions of the company away from each other. Feige got the movies, Perlmutter got the TV series, and Feige didn't have to give a shit about Perlmutter anymore.

I think ideally, Perlmutter would have just been shut out, and AoS and the Netflix shows moved under Feige as well. Those shows were better than that, and it's not really fair that they're sidelined because Perlmutter was a scumbag. I know there were internal politics that stopped them doing that, but we can dream, can't we?

As for WandaVision it does seem to have a touch of House of M with bits from the Vision storyline. There's also a long history of Wanda not being emotionally stable, and using her powers to try and cope.

 

[Thr2hrmrf]

I've not kept up on Marvel characters, but wasn't Scarlet Witch a super villian?

 

[Richy Freeway]

Anyone else get to the end of the article still none the wiser as to what MCU is?

Edited for spelling...

 

[Thr2hrmrf]

Anyone else get to the end of the article still none the wiser as to what MCU is?

Edited for spelling...

MCU = Marvel Cinematic Universe

 

[Ushio]

Whether AoS is canonical to the MCU is widely-debated.

I had no idea there was a debate. The show was directly affected by the MCU in real time to the theatrical releases (Shield/Hydra) so it's bizarre to me that people would think it's not. Wasn't it a big deal that the movies and a TV show crossed over like that at the time?

But I'm not the kind of nerd who worries about canon stuff that much. AoS is clearly too low budget to swing the MCU actors and effects, so it's understandable to me that they're mostly separate.

Honestly the "everything is tied together and canon" thing has gotten old for me. It feels stifling instead of furthering creativity and new ideas. I'm curious to see this show, it looks interesting, but just letting loose good TV writers on the comics without constraints to try their own things sounds more interesting.

The "everything tied together" thing I think, will never get old to me. I can understand how self-contained movies can allow for greater freedom, but it makes so much sense considering the history of interconnectedness from the comic books of old. It was just a natural extension, and Marvel has done such a stupid good job, which doesn't hurt.

With regards to AoS being low budget -- this is something that has always struck me as odd. I mean, I know different productions have different budget levels, but it's all ultimately Disney. It seems like it should be trivial for Disney to throw some money at an Avenger here or there for an AoS episode or two.

Unless it's a strict company policy -- "here's the crew and budget for TV, there's the crew and budget for film, and never the twain shall meet".

But again, that just seems like an oddball policy, for as commonly accepted as it seems to be.

An AoS episode costs between $4-6 million and most of that is too the core cast & crew there isn't much left for expensive guest stars especially for a little watched show.

 

[Ushio]

Some very nice call-outs to the comic book outfits and just enough paranoia to be interesting.

I hope this gets treated better by Marvel than Agents of SHIELD did.

AoS was stuck with the broadcast TV model 20+ episodes a year for as many years as you can get. That limits what you can do compared to shorter, tighter plotted streaming shows.

There were also internal politics at work. There's a reason that, after the first season, SHIELD stops tying in with the MCU: Disney siloed the two divisions of the company away from each other. Feige got the movies, Perlmutter got the TV series, and Feige didn't have to give a shit about Perlmutter anymore.

I think ideally, Perlmutter would have just been shut out, and AoS and the Netflix shows moved under Feige as well. Those shows were better than that, and it's not really fair that they're sidelined because Perlmutter was a scumbag. I know there were internal politics that stopped them doing that, but we can dream, can't we?

As for WandaVision it does seem to have a touch of House of M with bits from the Vision storyline. There's also a long history of Wanda not being emotionally stable, and using her powers to try and cope.

Perlmutter still owns a chunk of Marvel so unless he sells up all of it to Disney they can't.

 

[Ushio]

Dangit, Disney, I don't even think I can get Disney here (not that I would for just this show). Netlix has Marvel (Jessica Jones) here so maybe it will get on Netflix eventually.

Nope never going to happen, Disney has cut ties with Netflix so no more new Netflix Marvel shows.

 

[Ushio]

Whether AoS is canonical to the MCU is widely-debated.

I had no idea there was a debate. The show was directly affected by the MCU in real time to the theatrical releases (Shield/Hydra) so it's bizarre to me that people would think it's not. Wasn't it a big deal that the movies and a TV show crossed over like that at the time?

But I'm not the kind of nerd who worries about canon stuff that much. AoS is clearly too low budget to swing the MCU actors and effects, so it's understandable to me that they're mostly separate.

Honestly the "everything is tied together and canon" thing has gotten old for me. It feels stifling instead of furthering creativity and new ideas. I'm curious to see this show, it looks interesting, but just letting loose good TV writers on the comics without constraints to try their own things sounds more interesting.

Me, I'm just feeling fatigued by trying to keep track of the vast sprawl of characters and events, as well as the financial and time obligation needed to stay up to date with it all. Having to subscribe to yet another streaming service in order to participate isn't helping, either.

In short, I'm just tired of Marvel and its offerings. It's been a fun ride, but I feel like the end of the Avengers arc was enough for me. I'm just not all that interested anymore.

Yeah I know the feeling I used to watch Arrow on CW then they added Flash, Supergirl, legends of tomorrow, Black Lightning, Batwoman and soon a Superman show.

Even with just 4 shows that was 4 hours a week, every week for 6 months (god knows how many hours a week it gets up to now) and it started to feel like a job so I just quit it all.

It's why I've been happy all the Marvel TV shows so far haven't been referenced by the films so that what should be entertainment doesn't turn into a second job. But if they start flooding us with shows that need to be watched well I won't be going to see MCU films anymore.


What is with entertainment trying to make it so you have to keep up with it rather than engage when you want to? I miss the days when spin off shows where rare and then maybe crossed over once every couple of seasons not these multiple crossovers every damn season!

 

[xeroks]

I was sad Coulson didn't make it to Tony Stark's funeral.

And that Quake wasn't invited to the big girls party during the final battle.

 

[xeroks]

It's why I've been happy all the Marvel TV shows so far haven't been referenced by the films so that what should be entertainment doesn't turn into a second job. But if they start flooding us with shows that need to be watched well I won't be going to see MCU films anymore.

This is why I stopped reading 2000AD back in the day. They brought out the Megazine, then had a big story that cut across both publications.

 

[Quicksilver80]

Looks like they took some ideas from House of M?