There must be standard operating procedure on how to redact document, right?! This is not even the first time that happens from USA government. It is either very poor training/on-boarding or someone do it on purpose.
Epstein client list, does it exist or not?
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There must be standard operating procedure on how to redact document, right?! This is not even the first time that happens from USA government. It is either very poor training/on-boarding or someone do it on purpose.
Purportedly.
-The postmark on the envelope is Virginia, not New York, where Jeffrey Epstein was jailed at the time.
-The return address listed the wrong jail where Epstein was held and did not include his inmate number, which is required for outgoing mail.
-The envelope was processed three days AFTER Epstein’s death.
View: https://x.com/TheJusticeDept/status/2003533754912907697
I'd like to believe that as well. I'm just not sure how that meshes with this being the worst possible timeline.
I assume staffers don’t care much because the president has the same mutant powers as Jean Grey and can declassify things just by thinking about it, so presumably he can redact the offending passages just by thinking about it, and your eyes will have forgotten anything they just saw.
So the steady drip-drip-drip of semiredacted Epstein files continues. We might need to establish some ground rules on how to handle discussions of some seriously fucked up shit in this thread, such as the recently released page with the testimony of the pregnant 13-year-old and what happened to her baby. I'm spoiling these here to give people an opportunity to nope out of potential triggers, but my point is that it's something none of us thought of while we were all wondering exactly what might be so shocking about the Epstein files. Well, this is pretty shocking. What if there are worse things?
I’ll be a bit contrarian here and say that reporting “some person said X”, without any sort of confirmation is not what we want the press doing no matter who the principals are or how salacious the thing said. So I don’t think there’s any inherent problem with the news media going slow on some of the more outrageous things in the data dump.
What I hope is happening that we just can’t see is a fucking phalanx of reporters all over the country tripping over each other trying to corroborate the story.
What I hope is happening that we just can’t see is a fucking phalanx of reporters all over the country tripping over each other trying to corroborate the story.
I mean, a decade ago the guy bragged about sexually assaulting women. He’s been a known associate of the world’s most prolific pedophile for years, creeped on his daughter, raped his ex-wife. The things he’s proud of in public are incredibly vile, the things he’s ashamed of could only be more evil.
There are almost certainly worse things. What about him gives you the benefit of the doubt that there aren’t?
I don't think Technarch intended to suggest Trump personally deserved the benefit of the doubt but instead was skeptical of the contents of the files.
That said, you still bring up a good point and highlight how Trump is treated by the GOP and large swaths of the media. His actions are often treated in a theoretical vacuum where previous information does not exist. We're often pushed to analyze his deranged behavior starting at this initial state where the previous information has been written off for a variety of reasons ("joke", "locker room talk", and on and on and on)
It's kind of an old trick for the GOP, IMO. That's a big part of how they sell the "free" markets solve everything mantra. They like to propose this theoretical initial state where we don't consider greed, monopolies, class/race/gender/education imbalance and other tons of real things that are a part of the analysis for a functioning system. Why? Because facts are inconvenient.
More FBI intake reports (direct link here)
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Also, the DoJ, being run by 15-year olds, is now shitposting:
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Are you suggesting that we, who break laws every second of every day, break the law? :: gasp ::
Someone wake me when we have adults back in charge, if ever.
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Also, the DoJ, being run by 15-year olds, is now shitposting:
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Are you suggesting that we, who break laws every second of every day, break the law? :: gasp ::
Someone wake me when we have adults back in charge, if ever.
Ugh, that's beyond horrifying. Apparently when Trump talked about other people practicing infanticide, that was another instance of every accusation being a confession.
direct link to document here: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 8/EFTA00025010.pdf
and the confession: https://www.jurist.org/news/2024/04...d-urges-national-unity-in-abortion-statement/
I have to say though the timeline is questionable. It's identified as happening in 1984, and I don't think that's a viable timeline.
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DOJ says it has found over a million additional documents potentially related to Epstein
Just glad Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are heading up the FBI so they can fly around on tax payer flights to visit girlfriends, attend sports events, and redact documents to run cover for their boss instead of doing anything pertinent to the actual crimes being committed here.
It's what you're left with when the justice system is told not to investigate and prosecute serious crimes.
I have to wonder how much crimes (not just Epstein file, but crimes in general) are not being investigation because connections or just racism/sexism/etc.ism.
Yea, he was not 70 at that time, which is why it seems odd, especially with all the fake videos being posted by them etc.
Not to mention the fake latter to Nasser that everyone immediately jumped on as solid proof of Trump's crimes.
The amount of credulity you put on uncorroborated statements the FBI releases is less than the claims of Sam Altman's sister or Ashley Biden in her diary. At least we know who is making the claims there.
How about a story revisiting ABC killing Amy Robach's story on Epstein crimes to keep access to the Royal Family.
View: https://youtu.be/3lfwkTsJGYA
The powerful have protected crimes against children for decades. Has nobody heard about the Franklin scandal?
https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Scandal-Story-Powerbrokers-Betrayal/dp/0977795357
The amount of credulity you put on uncorroborated statements the FBI releases is less than the claims of Sam Altman's sister or Ashley Biden in her diary. At least we know who is making the claims there.
How about a story revisiting ABC killing Amy Robach's story on Epstein crimes to keep access to the Royal Family.
View: https://youtu.be/3lfwkTsJGYA
The powerful have protected crimes against children for decades. Has nobody heard about the Franklin scandal?
https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Scandal-Story-Powerbrokers-Betrayal/dp/0977795357
So the agent making the report didn't bother to check Donald Trump's exact age, I guess. Or was relying on a vague statement from the victim about how old she thought Trump was at the time of a crime that occurred 36 years earlier.
Except in Trump's case he's been found civilly liable in a sexual assault case that was "technically not rape" according to whatever strange use of the word exists uniquely in NY law, and bragged about grabbing women by the pussy, and was also accused by other victims of raping them, some of them when they were as young as 13.
Nothing to see here, right? /s
Not nothing. Uncorroborated, anonymous complaints right before a contentious election. On a document that incorrectly lists Trump's age to boot. It does have nonzero value, as do all allegations. Believing something primarily because it confirms your biases is pretty pointless. Having a consistent standard for evidence is a much better way to evaluate these things.
No it’s not. What you’re left with is the choice - the choice between running with the allegations as if they’re truth or trying to corroborate them. As much as I totally believe that what he’s accused of fits his character like a glove, I just can’t get behind mob justice based on an uncorroborated call to a tip line. Now if some enterprising journalist can place Trump on a yacht, and someone else can place this person there as well, then things start to get interesting.
And if you want this kind of fair justice you need an impartial justice system that puts no one above the law.
The people who created a political justice system and started putting people above the law have very little grounds to complain if they find themselves at the mercy of mob justice.
Is this a good thing? No, not really. Will I lose any sleep if Trump and his cronies fall victim to mob justice? Also, no.
Well, you should. The mob is the proverbial bull in the china shop. It doesn't really care about the shattering glass and the toppling porcelain all around it. Its rage must be slaked, anyhow and anywhere. The mob won't limit itself to Trump and his cronies. It will hurt you and yours as well.
One could even make the argument that the US is in its current difficulties because the bull and its rage got into the voting booth and started to topple institutions instead of Earthenware.
Meh. Donald Trump and MAGA never happen in a universe where the U.S. has even barely functioning civil, liberal institutions. You get Donald Trump and MAGA because of institutional collapse. Now they’re remaking them in their image.
For instance, it makes complete sense why Donald Trump doesn’t want the Epstein case, co-conspirators, and collaborators prosecuted to the fullest extent. He’s a central perpetrator in the whole affair. But, Epstein was a malignant piece of sh*t apparently running a bipartisan underaged sex trafficking ring for decades(?!), and whatever faint deniability ever existed was absolutely removed by the time the Biden Administration took over, soooooo what in the actual f*ck were they doing not bringing the whole sordid thing to the ground post haste?
It’s bananas all around. The whole thing is rotten. Raze it and try again.
For instance, it makes complete sense why Donald Trump doesn’t want the Epstein case, co-conspirators, and collaborators prosecuted to the fullest extent. He’s a central perpetrator in the whole affair. But, Epstein was a malignant piece of sh*t apparently running a bipartisan underaged sex trafficking ring for decades(?!), and whatever faint deniability ever existed was absolutely removed by the time the Biden Administration took over, soooooo what in the actual f*ck were they doing not bringing the whole sordid thing to the ground post haste?
It’s bananas all around. The whole thing is rotten. Raze it and try again.
Can we also stop calling it "the American experiment" as if other countries hadn't already achieved better-functioning democracies a long time ago?
While on the one hand I do pretty much agree with you, evidence suggests that at least some healthy democratic countries got there by looking at ours and recognizing some of the things that could be done better.
Well, the US picked all the wrong bits of European philosophy. A little bit om Montesquieu, a little bit of Westminster, a little bit of home-brew-systems, and a little bit of ancient Rome and Greece. Unfortunately, put together, the bits didn't really work well together.
If we don't respect highly-connected uber wealthy pedophiles, what will become of us? Is this the tipping point for our fragile nation? 
Oh man, that's good. Thanks for the holiday cheer!
Oh man, that's good. Thanks for the holiday cheer!
Lmao, no it won’t. In the unlikely event that there was some sort of mob justice that targeted Trump and his ilk, I am not wealthy, connected, or evil enough to end up on anyone’s radar, nor are 99% of people on the planet. In the more general form of society breakdown caused by a lack of rule of law, we are already experiencing some of that, and it will get much worse if Trump and his ilk aren’t held to account.
So, if nothing happens regular people get screwed and if something happens regular people might not get screwed.
I don’t think the people are what people should be afraid of.
It’s pretty hard to aim a mob, and they tend to consume a lot more people than originally intended, often including the people who started the revolution in the first place.
For example, in the French Revolution’s Terror, the vast majority of the people executed were not nobles or clergy:
Also, it presupposes one mob aligned in one purpose. In a country as polarized as the US, is it really feasible to imagine that "the 99%" would all be on the same side in that mob rule? To me, it seems that's the route to recreating Syrian Civil War Aleppo in any downtown in the USA.
Fortunately, malignant fascists are famously discerning, reserved, and circumscribed in their tyranny and abuse.
If we don't respect highly-connected uber wealthy pedophiles, what will become of us? Is this the tipping point for our fragile nation?
Oh man, that's good. Thanks for the holiday cheer!
They are the wealth creators, donchaknow.
Just to be clear, when you say "at least some healthy democratic countries got there by looking at ours and recognizing some of the things that could be done better." you're referring to the USA as a cautionary tale with a mile-long list of things to NOT do if you want a healthy democracy, yes?
My guess is ways to improve democracy if you’re using the US as a cautionary tale:
1) Land doesn’t vote
2) No electoral college
3) No lobbying
4) Remove money from politics entirely. There should be a campaign fund paid by tax dollars allocated to be split between candidates. Not enough money if there are to many candidates? Well here’s an opportunity to prove how good you’re with tax dollars when there are difficult times.
5) Lower and upper age limit. This isn’t ageism. Politics should have the bell curve of the population being represented. I don’t want a 70 year old man yapping his mouth off because the bell curve peaks 30 years younger and lives in a different reality.
6) Public access to your candidate entrance exam: do you know the laws of the country/state/city you represent. Do you know how the government office you’re running for works? I’d like to know you’re qualified for your job. Let’s end failing upwards.
7) etc., etc.,
Other countries definitely have conditions on getting access to public campaign money and resources, both for candidates and for political parties.
Sorry my kid is sick on Christmas and I live in the real world but if this proves anything it’s that none of this shit in our lives matters and nothing we thought we knew about rightness and justice ever mattered. Sorry kids. “Lifestyles of the rich and famous, raping kids on the reg.”
If there was an actual video of Trump raping a child nothing would happen. Feel like we as a society need to let that sink in.
If there was an actual video of Trump raping a child nothing would happen. Feel like we as a society need to let that sink in.