EPA launches full assault on environmental protection

I feel many emotions about all this, but above all, I feel immense guilt for bringing children into this doomed world.
I used to want children. Now I'm glad that never happened and I'll content myself with trying to do what I can for my nephew despite his mother's obstruction at every turn.
 
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I used to want children. Now I'm glad that never happened and I'll content myself with trying to do what I can for my nephew despite his mother's obstruction at every turn.
I hear you. This really hit me hard about 10 years ago and nearly caused my marriage to end when it became clear that my wife could not have kids. Now I am glad.
 
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Ethical corporations will suffer as they are undercut by people who leave their waste out in the commons.

Another generation of children can potentially grow up full of lead and with damaged lungs.

If you want to send this back to the states, fine, my state will protect me, and we'll have 50 different regulatory environments for companies to work within.

Somehow I think they won't be on board with that kind of local control.
Except the states will be punished by an administration that penalizes those who diverge from their narrow view of what is "appropriate". And states rights only exist when they are in line with their goals (see revocation of Cal emissions, and NYC congestion pricing)
 
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The prior EPA administrator had degree in envinonmental science and made a career in the field before being raised to administrator. Zeldin was poly sci and then Army and the rest politics and is known more for his support of Trump's election denial efforts than any environmental work. You would hope people with at least experience in the field would be picked to lead an organization.
 
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The EPA will seek to roll back a 2023 "Good Neighbor" rule that required upwind states to reduce pollution affecting their downwind neighbors, part of Zeldin's plan to give more authority to states in what he called "cooperative federalism."
What a bone-head. One of the jobs of the federal government is to handle issues between the states, just like this. Cooperative federalism my ass....

These EPA changes are purely for the benefit of businesses; to hell with their effect on individual citizens.
 
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I was going to jokingly comment that the US should allow lead in vehicle fuel again. It appears that would be no joke as lead emission restrictions are actually rolled back if they get their way. Incredible.
Always remember, irony, sarcasm and satire are all dead. MAGA murdered them all in cold blood.

There is nothing you can say as a joke that these utter pricks aren't considering doing for real.
 
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Question from across the pond - if the EPA is rescinding its federal powers does that mean individual states can now regulate in those areas?
Probably. That whole “states rights” thing that the right has been drumming about for decades. It’s part of the plan to eliminate the federal government. Turn everything over to the states. Of course, should a state be brazen enough to actually regulate, you can bet it will be met by a well-organized deluge of lawsuits.
 
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Calling MAGA "Christians" is like calling anti-vaxxers "scientists".

That part in the bible where Jesus got physically violent in the money-lender's temple with the capitalists trying to profit off of his name? Anyone remember that chapter?

It always amazes me how people can openly notice that MAGA lie about everything, every time - and yet they're somehow honest in their claims of faith? Talk about cherry-picking to support some bullshit bigotry. But, such is the American Way.
Yeah, he was pissed. Money-changer doesn't quite capture what they were doing. It was a time when cities were beginning to have higher populations than rural areas and when you went to the temple you had to have animals to sacrifice or you couldn't get your sins forgiven. Well, these newfangled, impoverished city people didn't have animals, so the moneychangers were basically extorting them. And the priests were probably selling the offerings later on top of it. He wasn't just saying that the temple isn't the appropriate venue for doing business, it was all about religious cons ripping off poor people and using their positions for self-enrichment. Of course it had to be watered down to enable churches to continue conning their marks.
 
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What's next, big subsidies for coal-burning power plants?
I know that was a joke, but. Here in Maryland we have a couple coal-fired power plants; partially converted to oil/ gas, but as of right now one of them (the Brandon Shores plant) is burning coal--you can see a new coal barge every couple days. The other one (Wagner) is shut down for now. The power company that owns both was scheduled to shut down the Brandon Shores plant this year, until the powers (pun intended) that be built a bunch of data centers down in Virginia. The regional power authority (over several states) has said the plant can't be shut down, because Reasons (ostensibly having to do with reliability, but actually having to do with electricity gobbling data centers).
Clearly the regional power authority has now won, sorry about all you people who live downwind!
 
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Not to nitpick, but I'm going to nitpick a bit.

Specifically, it's AMERICAN Christianity that appears to be the problem here. Keep in mind, that while American Christians make up a significant percentage of Christianity as a whole, it's still less that half of Christianity world-wide. Not to mention, the wide variety of types of Christianity here. Becoming a minister of X, Y, or Z "flavor" of Christianity can be as simple as an online test, meaning that just about ANYONE can start their personal vision of what they think Christianity is, which is leading more and more of these completely insane, money hungry fools to essentially start cults around it.

There's a reason that the Catholic Pope, the figurehead of the largest branch of Christianity in the world, is disdained or outright despised by American Christians.

Simply put most American Christians ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. Why would a religion that espouses peace, empathy, caring, etc, be in any way about fucking over everyone but themselves, and even themselves? It makes no sense. So again, sure, you can call Christians stupid. But it's really only the American, greedy, uncaring, evil bastards that are driving all of this. Do you realize that some pos American minister this year literally said that empathy was bad? You don't hear that from Christians anywhere else. It's America that's the problem here.
The same could be said of African Christianity in some nations.
 
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Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

No, no, it's you who are reading my holy book wrong!
Add to that the fact that 'the righteous shall inherit the Earth,' but only Christians are righteous, and you start to get a clearer picture of the banal evil of Christianity, lurking just beneath its faux-holy surface. There's a reason why it's been a central pillar of most wars of the last ~2000 years -- intolerance and violent bigotry are built right into it. Everything else is set dressing, staging to draw people in and lull them into an ignorant stupor. Emperor Constantine knew EXACTLY what he had in his hands when he started building an empire around Christianity. And it wasn't salvation...
 
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Question from across the pond - if the EPA is rescinding its federal powers does that mean individual states can now regulate in those areas?
I believe it does, yes. A lot of the folks on the right say they're supportive of state's rights and despise the federal government's "overreach." They wanted the same with other issues such as abortion rights. What makes me so frustrated is the harm imposed on people with no recourse. If one state wants to lean into coal power, they'll be pumping poison into the one atmosphere we all share, obviously. If the water source that feeds multiple states is polluted upstream by the one that is lax in controlling runoff/dumping/etc. it poisons everyone downstream. These are such stupidly obvious issues that make perfect examples for why this stuff should be federally regulated, I just don't even know how to deal with these folks.

You can have different ideas about how an economy should function and what sort of policies are best for growth, innovation, opportunity, etc. I can have some ideas there, but I'm pretty humble about what I don't know. People who are seriously against abortion think they're fighting to save babies/souls. I can argue strongly about that, but I know religion is a powerful force in shaping a person's world view. When it comes to controlling pollution, I just can't fathom why it's not the easiest thing to agree upon. We should all be able to agree what clean air/water is, and what isn't. Nobody should want to live near a coal fired power plant. Everybody should be rooting for better clean energy production. WTF is wrong with these people?
 
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Words like "mass murder" and "crimes against humanity" literally are nowhere near enough to capture the sheer evil of it.

These people, the Christofascists, LITERALLY WANT A MASS EXTINCTION, THEY WANT ALL. HUMAN LIFE. TO. DIE.

They think it'll be the rapture. These people want to make this entire planet extinct because of their stupid backwards ass beliefs.

This is why I am fully gloves off on Christianity now. Yes, believing in god is FUCKING STUPID and I'm tired of the mass delusion that it's somehow totally not insane just because a lot of people believe it.

Christianity is and always has been ANTI-LIFE.

If you still call yourself a Christian and are getting offended by this? Well GROW THE FUCK UP AND STOP IGNORING YOUR BRAIN'S OWN REASON. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Stop running from it. Stop pushing it down because it makes you feel uncomfortable. The planet is dying. GROW. UP.
But this is how you get to Convergence faster! Altman be praised.
 
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Just keep in mind that it was a Republican who created the EPA. Nixon was a bastard. But he understood what needed to be done for the American public. Which should perfectly explain how today's Republicans are NOT Republicans. They are they American Taliban. Zealots dedicated to "Our dear leader"
The ideology of the GOP in Nixon's time was far, far more leftist (and realistic) than the delusional drivel they pray to these days.

But Nixon was a fucking criminal, resigned in the face of certain impeachment and the GOP was fucked politically in the US because of it. But Roe v. Wade tossed them a bone in the fact that delusional believers in repressive bullshit were up in arms about that decision, the GOP got in bed with the "religious right" with lip service to get RvW repealed (but never made any real moves to do so) until the delusional religious terrorists got tired of waiting, got elected and started us careening down the path of holy self destruction by egregious ignorance ever since then by weaponizing the judiciary.

I was once a card-carrying Republican. But the Republican party of the 1970s resembles the Republican party of the 2020s about as much as the Universal Life Church resembles the Taliban. I quit the GOP during the Dole campaign when the GOP Central Committee came out with their religious-based ideological litmus test.

I'm kind of like Bernie Sanders in that I'm a registered Independent, and a certified pain in the ass, but I almost exclusively caucus with the Democrats (the lesser of two evils). I just don't want their political ads, and don't really care who gets picked in the primaries, since I'll probably be voting for the Democrat in the general election anyhow (unless the independent has a brain, which is not usually the case, or the Republican has a more tolerant and better track record of independence, which is even rarer).

The really fucked up thing about all of this is that I'm still the center-right individual I was back in the day (a rightist for a strong and capable military, but not one feeding the Military-Industrial complex maw for the fuck of it, and a devoted believer in equality, opportunity and rights for EVERYONE). It's the fucking political landscape that's changed since then.

I literally do not recognize the country I once served and loved.
 
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Hello Smog. Goodbye LA.

Hello acid rain. Goodbye lakes and rivers.

Hello rivers on fire. Goodbye Ohio.

These regs were put in places because states couldn't/wouldn't handle it themselves. And these morons are all "Herp Derp let's go back to that". Utter fucking stupidity. Morons electing morons.

We should've bottled Hudson water and LA air from 1970, so we could make these morons swim in it and breathe it before they can even talk about rolling back these regs.
 
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Evangelical Christians voted overwhelmingly for Trump, despite him being the closest thing possible to being the anti-Christ. I absolutely will blame them.
There are more than 45,000 different Christian sects worldwide, and they have been increasing at a rate of more than 2 per day for decades. It is trivial to find one sect who insists that they are the "one true church" (the Catholic Church is not the only one making that claim) and the others are just little cults. Many Catholics insist that Mormons are not true Christians, many Lutherans insist that Catholics are not true Christians, many pentecostalis insist the other denominations are just cults, and round and round we go. The disagreements on what a big collection of primitive fables going back to at least the Bronze Age actually say are why there are so many Christian denominations. The bible make it clear that Jesus was also a warmonger "Luke 22:36 If you don’t have a sword, sell your raiment and buy one" and a flat earther "Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory". The militant and the flat earther Christians endorse these, while other Christians jump through flaming hoops to reexplain those passages with an obscurantism formerly known as religious apologetics. The bible is rife with contradictions with both itself and reality, and that is why religious apologetics even exists to begin with. So blaming Evangelical Christians is fully justified, they have even endorsed Mango Mussolini as the second coming of Jesus. PS: There have been hundreds of Christs, even the pagans had them in the centuries before Jesus was allegedly born. See Robertson's "Pagan Christs" for just a small sampling.
 
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Not to nitpick, but I'm going to nitpick a bit.

Specifically, it's AMERICAN Christianity that appears to be the problem here. Keep in mind, that while American Christians make up a significant percentage of Christianity as a whole, it's still less that half of Christianity world-wide. Not to mention, the wide variety of types of Christianity here. Becoming a minister of X, Y, or Z "flavor" of Christianity can be as simple as an online test, meaning that just about ANYONE can start their personal vision of what they think Christianity is, which is leading more and more of these completely insane, money hungry fools to essentially start cults around it.

There's a reason that the Catholic Pope, the figurehead of the largest branch of Christianity in the world, is disdained or outright despised by American Christians.

Simply put most American Christians ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. Why would a religion that espouses peace, empathy, caring, etc, be in any way about fucking over everyone but themselves, and even themselves? It makes no sense. So again, sure, you can call Christians stupid. But it's really only the American, greedy, uncaring, evil bastards that are driving all of this. Do you realize that some pos American minister this year literally said that empathy was bad? You don't hear that from Christians anywhere else. It's America that's the problem here.
It's American heritage. The racists and peddlers of hate in America have ALWAYS been "Christian" and have twisted and cherry picked the Bible to attempt to justify themselves. What is happening today by American "Christians" is just an evolution/propagation of the ones that came before them.
 
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Calling MAGA "Christians" is like calling anti-vaxxers "scientists".

That part in the bible where Jesus got physically violent in the money-lender's temple with the capitalists trying to profit off of his name? Anyone remember that chapter?

It always amazes me how people can openly notice that MAGA lie about everything, every time - and yet they're somehow honest in their claims of faith? Talk about cherry-picking to support some bullshit bigotry. But, such is the American Way.
According to the biblical fables, Jesus also cursed and killed a fig tree for not bearing out of season fruit. Mark 11:12-14 "The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, May no one ever eat fruit from you again". A very selective reading shows how believers pick and choose among these primitive writings to support their starting basic beliefs. Don't forget geocentrism, earthquakes are caused by sin, and disease is caused by demons, etc.
 
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Probably. That whole “states rights” thing that the right has been drumming about for decades. It’s part of the plan to eliminate the federal government. Turn everything over to the states. Of course, should a state be brazen enough to actually regulate, you can bet it will be met by a well-organized deluge of lawsuits.
We're barreling toward the inevitable breakdown of the federal government anyway, so when the federal government says federal law doesn't matter anymore, there's no reason for the states to allow the feds to have their cake and eat it too.

Start shoveling money toward state defense forces, shut down entities that don't comply with state regulations, and force the federal government to demonstrate how much it cares about Exxon.

I’d rather have 50 new nations of varying prosperity than one nation under a suicide cult dictatorship.
 
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puts ;

"Get out and vote! Just this time. You won't have to do it anymore! Four more years, you know what? It'll be fixed, it'll be fine, you won't have to vote anymore."

in a whole new context
That was always the original context. Remember when he claimed that the democrats were putting laws into place so that no republican could ever get elected again? And thinking that he was being clever by (describing himself) with the scorpion fable? The list is nearly endless because he is so stupid that every accusation that he makes is actually a confession.
 
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I remember, in the 1990s, reading in the wall street journal an op-ed that said DDT should be made legal again.
DDT is very effective at killing mosquitos in your home and that's important if you live in a malaria-infested area. Just make sure to use it in your home so that it won't leach into the environment.
 
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Words like "mass murder" and "crimes against humanity" literally are nowhere near enough to capture the sheer evil of it.

These people, the Christofascists, LITERALLY WANT A MASS EXTINCTION, THEY WANT ALL. HUMAN LIFE. TO. DIE.

They think it'll be the rapture. These people want to make this entire planet extinct because of their stupid backwards ass beliefs.

This is why I am fully gloves off on Christianity now. Yes, believing in god is FUCKING STUPID and I'm tired of the mass delusion that it's somehow totally not insane just because a lot of people believe it.

Christianity is and always has been ANTI-LIFE.

If you still call yourself a Christian and are getting offended by this? Well GROW THE FUCK UP AND STOP IGNORING YOUR BRAIN'S OWN REASON. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Stop running from it. Stop pushing it down because it makes you feel uncomfortable. The planet is dying. GROW. UP.
I have read your semi hysterical comment. Absolutely agree with your right to say what you want to say. Maybe you should grow and listen to your brain. You see, our planet was around before humans happened and you know what? It will still be here when humans go extinct.
 
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According to the biblical fables, Jesus also cursed and killed a fig tree for not bearing out of season fruit. Mark 11:12-14 "The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, May no one ever eat fruit from you again". A very selective reading shows how believers pick and choose among these primitive writings to support their starting basic beliefs. Don't forget geocentrism, earthquakes are caused by sin, and disease is caused by demons, etc.
Dude needed a snickers and cursed at a tree, and that's as violent as throwing furniture around?

Mr. Rogers Neighborhood was Christian.
MAGA is capitalists selling a shit product that people keep buying - which feeds into/supports their narrative that they are the oppressed ones and we are the ones that hate Jesus.

I guess I'm just lucky enough to be autistic and that much harder to be taken in by con-jobs from con-men... Con-peoples... People of Con-no that won't work... Assholes.
 
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Ethical corporations will suffer as they are undercut by people who leave their waste out in the commons.

Another generation of children can potentially grow up full of lead and with damaged lungs.

If you want to send this back to the states, fine, my state will protect me, and we'll have 50 different regulatory environments for companies to work within.

Somehow I think they won't be on board with that kind of local control.
Your state won't protect you - air and water don't stop state boundaries. The shithole states that wholeheartedly embrace the "economy first" bullshit - regressing hard won environmental protections - are going to spread their miasmatic filth far and wide.
 
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Add to that the fact that 'the righteous shall inherit the Earth,' but only Christians are righteous, and you start to get a clearer picture of the banal evil of Christianity, lurking just beneath its faux-holy surface. There's a reason why it's been a central pillar of most wars of the last ~2000 years -- intolerance and violent bigotry are built right into it. Everything else is set dressing, staging to draw people in and lull them into an ignorant stupor. Emperor Constantine knew EXACTLY what he had in his hands when he started building an empire around Christianity. And it wasn't salvation...
Isn't that every religion, though? Ours is the One True Religion... everyone else is a filthy heathen destined for [insert the OTR's torments of choice here].
 
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