Environmentalists turn out in force to oppose Trump coal ash rollbacks

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Just a reminder that 'energy dominance' for Trump means canceling nearly complete wind projects, driving up the price of electricity, paying the companies involved from our tax money and literally wasting billions of dollars of investments.

He's spending your money to charge you more money and pollute more.
 
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In announcing the new proposed regulations in April, EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin called them “commonsense changes” and said they “reflect EPA’s commitment to restoring American energy dominance, strengthening cooperative federalism, and accommodating unique circumstances at certain [coal ash] facilities.”

He's confusing "EPA" with "Energy Protection Agency"
 
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Coal ash can be useful in the production of cement, wallboard, agriculture, and potentially critical minerals, he said.
It would be great if we could find a use for coal ash. But, 40 of the Kingston plant ash spill cleanup workers died of cancers within 10 years of the spill and about 150 more were made sick.

Do we even know what's in the coal ash that did that and how to remove it? How expensive will that be? I know for sure there's high selenium in the ash, which is definitely toxic in high doses.

In any case, why would we need to relax ash site-monitoring regulations in order to find other uses for coal ash? That's great that we can make concrete out of it, but is the concrete going to be leaching selenium out every time it rains? Oh hey your corn grown with coal ash fertilizer comes with a macro dose of selenium that kills you within 10 years of eating it regularly.

I am hoping that the next administration reverses every single rule made by this one, with small exception. Even better would be if somehow we could not deal with these assholes for another 2 1/2 years.
 
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It would be great if we could find a use for coal ash. But, 40 of the Kingston plant ash spill cleanup workers died of cancers within 10 years of the spill and about 150 more were made sick.
Our very own Chernobyl liquidators.

I am hoping that the next administration reverses every single rule made by this one, with small exception. Even better would be if somehow we could not deal with these assholes for another 2 1/2 years.
Don’t count on it. The “moderate” Biden admin left plenty of Trump 1.0’s handiwork in place in the name of just moving on and putting it behind us.
 
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Our very own Chernobyl liquidators.


Don’t count on it. The “moderate” Biden admin left plenty of Trump 1.0’s handiwork in place in the name of just moving on and putting it behind us.
I am counting on it. There are enough hardcore and pissed democrats now in power who do want a complete reversal of everything he’s touched, and maximum prosecution of any parties involved. Nothing but throwing them in jail will be required, to prevent anything like this from happening again. Examples need to be made of them. Screw just moving forward.
 
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Just a reminder that 'energy dominance' for Trump means canceling nearly complete wind projects, driving up the price of electricity, paying the companies involved from our tax money and literally wasting billions of dollars of investments.

He's spending your money to charge you more money and pollute more.
But ain't that coal beautiful, perhaps the most beautiful in history?

Also, Palantir knows about your terrorist views now.
 
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This sort of stuff frustrates me to no end where a government gives concessions to industry just because it is “inconvenient” or “uneconomical” to properly deal with industrial waste.

I wouldn’t be surprised if similar rollbacks happen in Alberta with our Trump-lite of a premier. Discussions are ongoing about dealing with oilsands tailings water that has been “treated” by letting it sit in a pond for a long time. Right now oilsands operators aren’t allowed to just dump the water in the Athabasca River (which already has evidence of impacts from mining operations that gets swept under the rug in environmental reporting), but there seems to be a real concern that the Alberta government will allow discharge of tailings water with minimal treatment requirements. These facilities also have a tendency to demonstrate a “loss of containment” where you have tailings water showing up in monitoring wells or just seeping out at the land surface. These events are under-reported with one such event that happened at IOL Kearl that was reported to the regulator, but went unannounced to the public for nearly a year after the seep was noted. But similar to Trump’s view on coal, oil and gas is sacrosanct and so the worst that typically happens is a slap on the wrist if you will.

There’s a lot more that frustrates me that I could go on about. It’s like government leaders are so blind to everything but bribes, sorry “lobbying”, that everyone else has to deal with the mess that they made or they know exactly what the consequences are and just don’t care because they are on a power trip or something. Current government structures weren’t built to deal with this sort of stuff and so nothing happens these days to get bad actors out. It’s like an exploit was found in societal governance and no one wants to patch it out.

This is more of a rant than anything else. Just needed to vent some pent up frustrations and such. Carry on.
 
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cleek

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A few here and a few there is hardly a full reversal.

that's nothing like "a few".

Two steps to the right and one back is still a constant drift towards fascism. But keep defending the system, they have you trained well.

the choice is going to be a Democrat or a Republican. your lazy moaning only helps one of those two.
 
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I lived in Fairbanks, AK for a while. The power generation at UAF, Ft. Wainwright, Eielson AFB, and part of Fairbanks (GVEA) was coal. I vacuumed up coal dust every day and had filters running 24x7 and they also captured more dust. You could see the large black clouds constantly from the coal generation station at UAF even with tall cooling towers. The local government, FNSB, signed an agreement with the EPA and scientists studied the pollution. Terrible.
 
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Just a reminder that 'energy dominance' for Trump means canceling nearly complete wind projects, driving up the price of electricity, paying the companies involved from our tax money and literally wasting billions of dollars of investments.

He's spending your money to charge you more money and pollute more.
More like to maintain US dominance in energy consumption.
 
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If it harms the environment, harms citizens and weakens America, you know that that Trump is all for it.

I wonder why that is......
Because they don't want to do any of the hard things. It's easier to not do anything about pollution. It's easier not to regulate industries. It's easier to ignore climate change. It's easier to not monitor public health. It's easier to not provide universal health care. It's easier to ignore pandemics.

It's all short-term gains for the sake of profiting the rich.
 
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"The 900 workers who cleaned up the spill were denied protective gear and told the coal ash they were working to remove was clean enough to eat. Hundreds of workers became sick and dozens are dead, Knisley said."

Words fail me. According to a previous post 40 died of cancer. Killed because they did not want to pay for protective equipment? Again, just cannot put into words...
 
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Can we even get through a single week without some other monstrosity popping up that these scumsgs are up to?

No, we can't. Because Trump 1.0 was apparently an insufficient warning as to how completely inhuman the Republican party has become. So we apparently lots of Americans need a daily kick to the goolies.
 
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I am hoping that the next administration reverses every single rule made by this one, with small exception. Even better would be if somehow we could not deal with these assholes for another 2 1/2 years.
I hope the next admin uses the newfound power the orange admin shortsightedly handed it to dismantle every single coal plant once and for all. Among other things.
 
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Just a reminder that 'energy dominance' for Trump means canceling nearly complete wind projects, driving up the price of electricity, paying the companies involved from our tax money and literally wasting billions of dollars of investments.

He's spending your money to charge you more money and pollute more.
And to ease that pain he gets when he sees those "windmills" offshore from his Scottish golf resort.
 
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I'd be perfectly fine with all of this as long as every elected official who votes in favor of it must move themselves and their families into the regions that were impacted by their deregulation and remain there until the legislation is changed.

This would ALSO apply to the officials and corporate officers, and investors, who promoted the deregulation.

The problems would be fixed a fuck-ton faster if we mandated that the regulators suffer from the effects of their regulation (or lack thereof).
 
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