Dumbest automotive rumor of the week? Tesla should buy Nissan.

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A strange thing for the Japanese government to suggest. Don't they realize that if it happened Muck would immediately terminate 70% of the employees?

I am guessing the government is wanting to at least look like they’re trying?

Saving 30% of the workforce, and a nation’s historical brand, is trying… …something.
 
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RZetopan

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Nissan could improve Tesla’s quality control!
"improve Tesla’s quality control"? Don't you mean explain why implementing factory quality control would benefit Tesla instead of letting their end buyers and service centers do that? The Tesla factory does not know what QC even stands for.
 
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RZetopan

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They could collaborate to create that mystical $25k EV the fanboys banged on about for years. Call it the "TesLeaf" and force everyone who buys it to sign a waiver absolving Tesla of liability when it catches fire on the freeway.
But not for when it does a seek and destroy on emergency vehicles and bicycle/motorcycle riders (even when the former are walking on a crosswalk)?
 
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Would be more fitting for Tesla to buy a Russian automaker.
And maybe SpaceX could buy Roscosmos.
Get all the evil under one roof.
Teslavaz isn't quite as bad as Stellantis.
But would Musk want a car which went wrong once a day, could be fixed with a screwdriver and an adjustable, and lasted forever?
Or would VAZ want a car that could run into things of its own accord without even needing a drunk Russian driver?
 
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Nissan has historically made some great engines. And while such things are on the way out, there are still lots of opportunities to adjust them for efficiency. If Nissan WERE to tie up with Tesla they've be throwing away one of the few strengths Nissan still has. But then, if Nissan goes bankrupt that still all goes away. I suppose there's a question about who would actually benefit from a takeover of Nissan? Maybe Mazda. Mazda doesn't have any good electrification right now and Nissan could provide them with some tech. Both companies really value traditional engines as well, so there's room to try to merge Mazda's SkyActive compression tech with Nissan's more traditional historical engine leadership.
 
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I can’t understand how Nissan screwed up so badly. 15-20 years ago they had a bunch of category leading cars and were selling great. Then it seems they stopped all development and decided to start making their cars worse, instead.
Because each engineering recommendation Ghozn one ear and Ghozout the other?
 
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Ars Automtive Editor Johnathan M Gitlin and the other member of Ars’ editorial staff who read the earlier article call that ‘the CEO's political engagement’.

I guess Ars has chosen a side.
Yes, the side of decency and humanity. Terrible side to be on. Looks like you chose your side too. Your fellows can be found in the rocket threads.
 
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That's got to be the dumbest solution they could have come up with.

Also, does Japanese corporate law not have some equivalent to Chapter 11 restructruing bankruptcy? I mean yeah Nissan isn't in a great spot but it seems like it could be pretty easily restructured and recapitalized to remain a going concern, but is that just not an option on the table?
 
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Nissan has historically made some great engines. And while such things are on the way out, there are still lots of opportunities to adjust them for efficiency. If Nissan WERE to tie up with Tesla they've be throwing away one of the few strengths Nissan still has. But then, if Nissan goes bankrupt that still all goes away. I suppose there's a question about who would actually benefit from a takeover of Nissan? Maybe Mazda. Mazda doesn't have any good electrification right now and Nissan could provide them with some tech. Both companies really value traditional engines as well, so there's room to try to merge Mazda's SkyActive compression tech with Nissan's more traditional historical engine leadership.
And yet the thing I've heard about them recently is that all their direct inject engines are ticking time bombs from carbon buildup on the valves due to no washing gas injected in the port, so your car will be fine right up until it needs a head job or engine rebuild
 
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I'd have to guess that the reason Nissan is in this state is that the executives are so completely out of touch that they think that a merger with Tesla of all companies would be a good move.
It's been a problem with the company for decades. The company leadership has long stored their heads in an anatomically challenging location.

First in my lifetime was when they took the delightfully light, nimble, and inexpensive 240Z and bloated it out to the 4-seat, heavy, sluggish, and expensive 280Z. Completely wrecked what was a fine basic sports car because they thought their customers wanted "luxury."

Nissan has been dying for a long, long, time. At this point, it'd be a kindness to just let it go.
 
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Nissan makes the meh-est vehicles there are. They had it coming. Had to kill the Sentra B13 aka the Mexican Tsuru because though it sold like hot cakes it was a rolling death chamber. Apart from that their only hits were their vans & light trucks, the rest of their lineup were as forgettable as the McD burger you ate last week.
 
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It's been a problem with the company for decades. The company leadership has long stored their heads in an anatomically challenging location.

First in my lifetime was when they took the delightfully light, nimble, and inexpensive 240Z and bloated it out to the 4-seat, heavy, sluggish, and expensive 280Z. Completely wrecked what was a fine basic sports car because they thought their customers wanted "luxury."

Nissan has been dying for a long, long, time. At this point, it'd be a kindness to just let it go.
Not just the executives, but the Japanese government as well that pulls the strings at most major Japanese companies. The government and the companies are locked in a deadly tango that's slowly killing off Japanese industry and innovation since the 90s
 
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They're throwing turkeys out of helicopters in Cincinnati! I saw it on TV! They are throwing the turkeys. I don't know why the turkeys don't fly, but they just hit the ground and they don't care. I will buy Turkey and save them from the dangerous liberal radio hosts. They will love it.
 
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Zeppos

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Nissan could improve Tesla’s quality control!
I am not sure about that. I think it will be one big culture clash. I bet that Musk's conclusion will be that Nissan's QA culture is not "efficient" and too cumbersome. Probably will fire the entire QA departure and replace them with young programmers or something.
 
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They're throwing turkeys out of helicopters in Cincinnati! I saw it on TV! They are throwing the turkeys. I don't know why the turkeys don't fly, but they just hit the ground and they don't care. I will buy Turkey and save them from the dangerous liberal radio hosts. They will love it.
Somethings falling, I can't quite make out what it is, I don't see a parachute, OH MY GOD THEY'RE TURKEYS! Oh, this is horrible, the turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement!
 
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Fixed that for ya.

Ars Automtive Editor Johnathan M Gitlin and the other member of Ars’ editorial staff who read the earlier article call that ‘the CEO's political engagement’.

I guess Ars has chosen a side.
Yes, factual reporting on current events. Got a problem with that?
 
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