DOGE did not find $2T in fraud, but that doesn’t matter, Musk allies say

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It was a great year if you committed a lot of fraud, or were in jail for fraud. We've probably never seen a year like it before. So many pardons for people who did almost nothing wrong except steal money and so many investigations and public data stolen and given to a Trillionaire who has only our best interest in his cold dead heart.
 
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See, it's quotes like that, which make me firmly think that the CATO institute are a bunch of damn fools.

"We actually increased the federal budget substantially but thank God we fired a bunch of people who were providing useful services to the citizens, residents, and businesses, and State and Local governments, of the United States of America!!!"

Meanwhile, for every person Trump and DOGE fired, they are hiring or trying to hire a bunch of other people. It's almost like it has nothing to do with how many people are employed by the Federal Govt, but instead what they are doing.

Because CATO doesn't seem to care about all the ICE and CBP thugs that Trump is hiring?

After thinking about it, I've decided the Cato Institute is actually brilliant, they've discovered and entire new business model.

Say I open the Cato Institute Car Repair Center. You bring your car in, I toss it in the crusher and when you come back to get it you have a convenient cube of metal and a bill for $100,000. According to the Cato Institute, that's all legit and should be a slam dunk with Republicans.
 
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Defense does not get trillions per year. Its not even a trillion (840 billion for 2024)

Not to say that wiser defense spending would not be a good idea. But at this point defense is the #4 cost for the federal government. #1 is Social Security, #2 is paying interest on the national debt and #3 is Medicare.

The amount of money that actually goes to Federal employees (DOD included) is a drop in the bucket compared to the money that flows out for payment to citizens in the form of benefits.

At this point neither political side of the isle is actually doing anything about this problem. Actually trying to fix the problem would be political suicide because it means either raising taxes significantly (while keeping spending flat) or cutting benefits significantly while keeping taxes flat.
Raise wages and tax any corporation that has did not put at least x% of its profit into its workers.

Either the rich need to pay taxes equal to the percentage of the US wealth they control, or they need to be penalized for being that greedy.

There are soooo many things that could be done besides taxing the working class.
 
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Wasn't DOGE's goal to
1- bring down non-MAGA bureaucracies
2- put pressure on private contractors to pay up to stay in MAGA's good graces
3- grab all the data for future use ?
It was incredibly successful. Ask Tim Apple.
Yeah. The true goal was to terrorize the federal workforce. The 600 million initial dead are just collateral damage.
 
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Seems that Elon way to management and "innovation" is to create self inflicted crisis and force the employees to rebuild all the stuff from ashes with limited budget. Sometimes it works with enormous personal costs and sacrifices on the employee side, but is hardly a mark of a genius, more of a mad man. People who have nowhere to run due to visa , personal circumstances or no personal live have to survive this often without much choise and suffer abuse from management that then claims all the success
 
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The money quote from this article is one of the DOGE supporters saying that DOGE freed the government to “use innovative new technologies” (something like that). That’s the center of gravity. The point of DOGE was to infiltrate AI applications into the US Government. Once those can access all data and harvest the training benefits, Musk and the Red Tech Bros (TM!) have all they need. Palantir, XAI, Anthropic have the keys to controlling society. The majority of the posts on this article are talking about the bodyguard of misdirection that protects the infiltration. It’s all just a cover. One wastes one’s time arguing about cuts or efficiencies or woke or whatever. None of that matters. It can all be dealt with once the Tech Bros have their AI hooked into and controlling the USG. One flaw: their AI is junk. The mostly likely outcome is that their AI wrecks vital functions and everything falls apart. AI injection into the military is especially concerning. But reports that AI is going to make decisions on Medicare treatment is even more concerning if that’s where you get your healthcare. So it goes. This is the way.
 
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See, it's quotes like that, which make me firmly think that the CATO institute are a bunch of damn fools.

"We actually increased the federal budget substantially but thank God we fired a bunch of people who were providing useful services to the citizens, residents, and businesses, and State and Local governments, of the United States of America!!!"

Meanwhile, for every person Trump and DOGE fired, they are hiring or trying to hire a bunch of other people. It's almost like it has nothing to do with how many people are employed by the Federal Govt, but instead what they are doing.

Because CATO doesn't seem to care about all the ICE and CBP thugs that Trump is hiring?
Of course, they don't care. Their only "metric" is reducing or totally eliminating ALL regulations. They hate anything stopping them from doing whatever they want. Sociopathy taken to its logical extreme.
 
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That turned out to be a great financial benefit to the Muskrat. He spent $288M getting a career criminal elected, and got put in charge of an illegal agency that allowed him to lay off the people who had amassed over $2.1B in fines against him for his illegal activities. Obviously, that $288M was money well spent. Just imagine how much ketamine and other hallucinogens, that difference of $1.8B+ could buy!
 
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Defense does not get trillions per year. Its not even a trillion (840 billion for 2024)

Not to say that wiser defense spending would not be a good idea. But at this point defense is the #4 cost for the federal government. #1 is Social Security, #2 is paying interest on the national debt and #3 is Medicare.

The amount of money that actually goes to Federal employees (DOD included) is a drop in the bucket compared to the money that flows out for payment to citizens in the form of benefits.

At this point neither political side of the isle is actually doing anything about this problem. Actually trying to fix the problem would be political suicide because it means either raising taxes significantly (while keeping spending flat) or cutting benefits significantly while keeping taxes flat.
Why is it that MAGA, libertarians, and other Reich Wing loons always pretend that Social Security is just another government hand out, instead of actually having been paid into by the taxpayers? The red states are the biggest government hand out recipients, and they are also the loudest complainers about the actual government handouts. That level of stupid is unfixable.
 
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remember, despite the statements otherwise:

Elon Musk is an evil swine.
Why are you only listing his most positive (relatively speaking!) attribute? Of course, listing his even less positive attributes would require an encyclopedia sized posting. It is con men and grifters all the way down.
 
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Why is it that MAGA, libertarians, and other Reich Wing loons always pretend that Social Security is just another government hand out, instead of actually having been paid into by the taxpayers? The red states are the biggest government hand out recipients, and they are also the loudest complainers about the actual government handouts. That level of stupid is unfixable.
It all stems from the "Gubmint bad, freedumb good' mentality that drives the Republican party, neoliberalism, conservatism, etc. It's the unholy alliance of the greedy and the selfish with the stupid and the ignorant.
 
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The money quote from this article is one of the DOGE supporters saying that DOGE freed the government to “use innovative new technologies” (something like that). That’s the center of gravity. The point of DOGE was to infiltrate AI applications into the US Government. Once those can access all data and harvest the training benefits, Musk and the Red Tech Bros (TM!) have all they need. Palantir, XAI, Anthropic have the keys to controlling society. The majority of the posts on this article are talking about the bodyguard of misdirection that protects the infiltration. It’s all just a cover. One wastes one’s time arguing about cuts or efficiencies or woke or whatever. None of that matters. It can all be dealt with once the Tech Bros have their AI hooked into and controlling the USG. One flaw: their AI is junk. The mostly likely outcome is that their AI wrecks vital functions and everything falls apart. AI injection into the military is especially concerning. But reports that AI is going to make decisions on Medicare treatment is even more concerning if that’s where you get your healthcare. So it goes. This is the way.
"AI" has nothing to do with it. Did you mean simply "backdoors"?
 
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"AI" has nothing to do with it. Did you mean simply "backdoors"?
Who is to say that the current federal government would not pay xAI to use AI to find the strongest anti-MAGA activists with all of that stolen data that is combined with activity on X to target for investigations, kidnappings, arrests, deportations, prosecutions, exile, or stuffing into death camps such as Alligator Alcatraz? After all of the evil stuff that we have seen coming from the current federal government with people with unlimited evil like Stephen Miller and Donald Trump, you really need to get some training in thinking like the enemy so that you can defend against likely and plausible plans that could come from the enemy.
 
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Why go off the record only to say nonsense political talking points that would be fine to say on the record? It's not like they actually said what this was about, poisoning the well so that only the least employable will work for the government to achieve their ends of privatizing everything and not addressing market failure.
 
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Who is to say that the current federal government would not pay xAI to use AI to find the strongest anti-MAGA activists with all of that stolen data that is combined with activity on X to target for investigations, kidnappings, arrests, deportations, prosecutions, exile, or stuffing into death camps such as Alligator Alcatraz? After all of the evil stuff that we have seen coming from the current federal government with people with unlimited evil like Stephen Miller and Donald Trump, you really need to get some training in thinking like the enemy so that you can defend against likely and plausible plans that could come from the enemy.
That isn't "AI." It's just data-mining on what is essentially hacked data.

Yes, it's bad, but it isn't "AI." Wrong rant.
 
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Who is to say that the current federal government would not pay xAI to use AI to find the strongest anti-MAGA activists with all of that stolen data that is combined with activity on X to target for investigations, kidnappings, arrests, deportations, prosecutions, exile, or stuffing into death camps such as Alligator Alcatraz? After all of the evil stuff that we have seen coming from the current federal government with people with unlimited evil like Stephen Miller and Donald Trump, you really need to get some training in thinking like the enemy so that you can defend against likely and plausible plans that could come from the enemy.
“..thinking like the enemy…” is exactly correct.
 
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Did we somehow neglect to include the fact that DOGE replaced 1990s DOS in 90% of the governmental payout systems? And that
We actually need a secondary authorization of payment now? All of the grift NGOs in2026 will die.

God willing, maybe the host can survive the parasites…

Citation needed on two points:

  1. DOGE actually did that.
  2. What they put in place actually was an improvement over what was in place before.

Because we're talking about people who gave Russians passwords before they gave them to the US.
 
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I think DOGE achieved it's (unstated) goals exactly. Being:
1. Get access to very sensitive government data and exfiltrate it from the control of the agencies responsible
2. Shut down any ongoing investigation and any possible oversight for companies owned by Musk and his buddies. Everything else was entirely ancillary.
 
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Did we somehow neglect to include the fact that DOGE replaced 1990s DOS in 90% of the governmental payout systems? And that
We actually need a secondary authorization of payment now? All of the grift NGOs in2026 will die.

God willing, maybe the host can survive the parasites…

I worked at a fortune 50 insurance company that still used a Unix based system for claims and enrollment, they still do to this day. I've done contract work for companies still using IBM AS/400 based platforms. There is still a decent demand for people with COBOL experience. A migration I worked on where a very large company was moving off the AS/400 based system had them moving to another platform that was a mere 20 years old. Large organizations using old systems with proven reliability isn't even a little uncommon

DOGE wasn't a serious group, you can tell from the people Musk had working there and the fact that an unserious dolt like Elon Musk was in charge. The crack team of trust funders and interns he had terrorizing people who actually work for a living couldn't even manage basic database queries. DOGE kept in line with a reliable aspect of Trump's administration in hiring unqualified fuckups for serious work. I would say that it's a good thing they were inept morons, or else the damage would have been worse. But Musk and his merry band of sociopath imbeciles gutted USAID and doomed children to agonizing deaths for years to come. But hey, he posted some decade old memes along the way.
 
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Citation needed on two points:

  1. DOGE actually did that.
  2. What they put in place actually was an improvement over what was in place before.

Because we're talking about people who gave Russians passwords before they gave them to the US.
DOGE put something in place? All I can see them leaving behind were vacancies.
 
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This fucking guy again. Can’t he go back to South Africa and stick his rockets up his ass?
South Africa? Maybe prison for more years than people can live because shutting down USAID has killed so many people that he should be prosecuted for those victims' deaths as counts of at least involuntary manslaughter.
 
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Raise wages and tax any corporation that has did not put at least x% of its profit into its workers.

Either the rich need to pay taxes equal to the percentage of the US wealth they control, or they need to be penalized for being that greedy.

There are soooo many things that could be done besides taxing the working class.

Maybe make stock buybacks illegal (again).
 
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I worked at a fortune 50 insurance company that still used a Unix based system for claims and enrollment, they still do to this day. I've done contract work for companies still using IBM AS/400 based platforms. There is still a decent demand for people with COBOL experience. A migration I worked on where a very large company was moving off the AS/400 based system had them moving to another platform that was a mere 20 years old. Large organizations using old systems with proven reliability isn't even a little uncommon
Yeah but that's just because you have experience and some idea what you're doing. I prefer that my financial systems and medical records systems be vibe coded and use a stack of auto-updating npm packages that I've never heard of and don't understand.
 
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It's worth remembering billionaires can lose all their wealth overnight, and they don't have to be physically harmed to do it.

If the government and military protecting them loses the support of the public entirely, it can all be seized, nationalized and assets frozen overnight, even without imprisonment.

Civil forfeiture exists, and they won't necessarily be able to defend themselves from it before most of them pass away or spend/lose the assets. There IS a light at the end of the tunnel, now that class warfare is getting to the center stage past the immigration and culture war arguments.

But there's a fair feeling that you may have to be willing to abandon most or all of the U.S. Constitution temporarily (because who can have faith in something that clearly hasn't worked properly since 2016) to fix/redeem it.

Despite a vast network of a two-tiered justice system arrayed to prevent it, and vicious attack dogs to slap down any rhetoric that points out this is possible, you CAN make Elon Musk and Peter Thiel homeless under a bridge, you just have to consider declaring you have nothing left to lose before wrapping your head around the scale of the plans and organization to make it happen.

The fact that people are exhausted or afraid and don't want to do the work to make it happen doesn't mean there isn't a way or overarching plan to do it, mostly non-violently even if demanded.
 
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