Dmitry Rogozin may be in some trouble in Russia

Wagner Group soldiers are well-trained to identify those attired in NATO clothing.

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[Tempus --)-------]

Yep. Dubbya may have held at one time aviator wings. However, that landing on the carrier was a stunt and absolutely cosplay. 'Mission Accomplished'? Hardly. How long was our illegal occupation again?

Stunt or not, it still required the proper flight gear. Unless you’re gonna claim he teleported onto a carrier at sea, he did arrive in an S3 and that required the clothing he’s wearing, it’s not a costume or cosplay.

So nice try at the cosplay “what about” comrade, but you fail.

 

[Tempus --)-------]

Knife can be useful to peel and slice potato.

Potatoes do not cut or peel themselves, and soldiers are hungry in winter.. you have discovered a way for him to be useful

 

[daveishereagain]

Knife can be useful to peel and slice potato.

I'm thinking he could use some live-fire training.
"OK, Dmitry, you take this grenade, you pull the pin and throw it at the enemy and keep a good grip on the fat object in your hand. Got it? I'll just wait way, way over here."

 

[daveishereagain]

Stunt or not, it still required the proper flight gear. Unless you’re gonna claim he teleported onto a carrier at sea, he did arrive in an S3 and that required the clothing he’s wearing, it’s not a costume or cosplay.

So nice try at the cosplay “what about” comrade, but you fail.

Well, everyone has their differing opinions. That's what makes a world.
Don't know about the 'comrade' stuff, but you got the wrong guy, bub.
Yeah, he needed a flight suit in the back seat while the actual aviator flew the plane to land on the carrier. Then he emerged, looking all sexy while the sailors and marines went apeshit because they believed they wouldn't have to risk their lives for a lying piece of shit war criminal.
Imagine their disappointment. And their families.
Edit- How you think anything I have written or write is whataboutism means you have missed everything I've written. here, now and in the past.
Edit2 BushCo are all war criminals. Putin and his cadre are war criminals. The two realities are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Disordered]

I miss the old forums, I could upvote that as 'funny' and someone would have already posted the relevant image.

Enthusiastically upvoted!

I've already remarked the same.

 

[Disordered]

What strikes me is how these swine freely show the world how corrupt they are without a bit of shame. Which brings to the forefront how unabashed Trump and the MAGAs are in their complete contempt for democracy and their desire for plutocracy. Rogozin can show off NATO gear without shame while a good part of the reason Russia has not made any real strategic (let alone tactical) military gains since the invasion is because of the corruption, graft and complete breakdown of logistics due to his and his boss's criminal cadre. While his countrymen-who had no idea they were to invade Ukraine- serve as cannon fodder or are leaving in droves.
Toadies such as Rogozin are only displaying the rot and cesspool of their rule while their rockets .bombs and war crimes against civilians continue.
Revulsion does not express my mind and inner soul at such creatures.
How anyone cannot see the correlation to Trump, Musk and other MAGA pondscum and what awaits us all if they regain power mystifies me.

Nobody has disagreed with you, nice. There are so many Republicans who don't seem to realise that this is not just bluff. When someone tells you what they are, believe them. There are already people - wise, and with the $$ - who are exiting the USA for their own safety.

 

[graylshaped]

I'm simply a concerned citizen, the amount of useless news posts have gone up this year on ars. I don't come here to see what someone said on Twitter.

Congratulations. I have not awarded a hand-picked sealion picture for some time, but you have earned this. Please print it and place it near your computer so you know how you come across to others.

 

[watermeloncup]

Congratulations. I have not awarded a hand-picked sealion picture for some time, but you have earned this. Please print it and place it nearyour computer so you know how you come across to others.

I know it's an insult, but that's one fucking majestic sea lion. It even has a halo.

 

[DovePig]

I know it's an insult, but that's one fucking majestic sea lion. It even has a halo.

I actually love the rainbow sheen (or perhaps just image noise) on it – probably adds even more cadence to its forum use ;-)

 

[Septentrion]

Rogozin's uniform isn't the only problem he's tangled up in:

Rogozin claims that Russians once considered Nazi Germany their brotherly nation.

This particular claim of Rogozin's is not problematic in Putin-land.

Early in WWII, Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia were allies, beginning with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August, 1939. This "brotherhood" was shattered in June, 1941, when Germany attacked Russia in Operation Barbarossa. So yes, the war that killed some 27 million Russians was launched by a nation Russia viewed as "brotherly."

Modern Russians are steeped in this history, so it's a strong cultural cord for Putin to pull on. Rogozin may go off-script at times, but here he's aping Putin accurately enough. It's worth listening to the video in full--or reading the translated subtitles--to grasp the Putin regime's pretext for Ukrainian genocide. It's a useful thing to apprehend the other guy's argument, even if it's vile.

 

[daveishereagain]

Nobody has disagreed with you, nice. There are so many Republicans who don't seem to realise that this is not just bluff. When someone tells you what they are, believe them. There are already people - wise, and with the $$ - who are exiting the USA for their own safety.

I only see it as is apparent to anyone with any decency.
I am, at this moment, watching a youtube video that is so profound, I must share the existence of it. Youtube 'Back From The Front A British Volunteer In Ukraine' interviewed by Lindy Beige.
Don't be putoff by his demeanor, he's dead serious. Search youtube, it's a new one

 

[SpikeTheHobbitMage]

The more stories I read about Russian leadership in-fighting, one-up-manship and craven appeal to physical violence, the more they sound like Orks. Bluster, wonton disregard for the live’s of their own people, and manic power grabs. It is rather uncanny.

That's what happens when you base a society on endemic fetal alcohol syndrome. It'd be sad if it wasn't costing innocent lives.

 

[TetsFR]

Prighozin, Rogozin and Putin: what a trio of bonkers!

 

[fcrary]

Seems like Rogozin is making some powerful enemies in Russia, which is one of those countries where you really don't want powerful enemies. Still not enough for me to have any sympathy for the buffoon, though. If he had more sense, he'd leave Russia, and retire somewhere sufficiently far away that Putin's frenemies don't string him up.

Where would that be? The least accessable place on Earth is in the middle of Antarctica. But the Russian Vostok base is located there...

 

[klarg]

You should have done a bit more research Ivan. He was 1st Lt flying for 187th Fighter Wing in Texas Air National Guard prior to going into politics. And he flew to that carrier in a combat jet (in the sensor operator seat, but still).

He was an alleged pilot. All of his records were “lost.” But one old fellow did vouch that Bush showed up for lunch, once.

 

[graylshaped]

I know it's an insult, but that's one fucking majestic sea lion. It even has a halo.

Insult? No! This is what recognition for achievement feels like.

 

[nanocube]

IIRC, all those descriptions were worthless, and only you could see them. There was never anything others see but the up/down voting.

You could sort comments using them, ie. funniest or most interesting first, it could be quite useful for some stories.

 

[FlyingSteamGoat]

Prighozin, Rogozin and Putin: what a trio of bonkers!

 

[Hydrargyrum]

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I can’t decide if that tweet has aged amazingly badly or amazingly well.

Maybe “bad from the GOP’s perspective, hilariously on point from mine”.

 

[graylshaped]

Prighozin, Rogozin and Putin: what a trio of bonkers!

If "bonkers" means people who legitimately have both the power and willingness to seriously damage their own country and the entire world, as each have demonstrated...

"Bonkers" is far too kind.

 

[graylshaped]

I know it's an insult, but that's one fucking majestic sea lion. It even has a halo.

Hand-picked. I was trying to get away from the sea lion thing, but damn, this guy earned it, and I wanted to do his efforts justice. There are those who deploy tactical ponies--I go sea lions.

 

[Damdaman]

You could sort comments using them, ie. funniest or most interesting first, it could be quite useful for some stories.

As Aurich wrote in the post about the update.

"The 'reasons' will be going away at least for launch, they need a rethink, just weren't used enough to matter. (Edit: and by used I meant on the back end, not users clicking, to be clear.)"

So they'll be coming back at some point once they work out how best to make use of them.

 

[NezumiRho]

With the new system, are we still following the "No ponies until page 10" rule? Asking for a friend.

Reasonably, we should probably stick with the "Page 10" rule. Keep in mind that it had exceptions for gross displays that required immediate Tactical Pony Deployment. Or Sealions, as mentioned above.

But a dreadful question: what about our ROFLcopters?

....he asked idly.

 

[Shiranui]

"Tsar's Wolves Inspection Group" has the same energy as "King's Tigers Kitchen Battalion". Except that the latter would actually be useful.

Bush being dressed for that photo isn't cosplay. It's the way he was dressed for his flight to the carrier on an S-3. Having flown some science missions with the Navy, one doesn't just take a ride in one's civis. That funny-looking vest he's wearing is his parachute in the event he had to bail. It was required for all us PhD researchers too. I always enjoyed the warning on boarding a plane "be careful the orange handles, the ejection systems are armed."

But more so, Bush was a fighter jet pilot during his brief stint in the military. Ok, perhaps it wasn't the most distinguished of careers, but he did pass flight school and successfully flew his craft.

That's neglecting the fact that Bush didn't have to fly out to a carrier in the first place (wasting military time and taxpayer money in the process) just to give a speech for national television.
Even if you somehow had to make a "frontline" appearance, personally I would expect politicians to act more humble and dress their own part; you may not wear a suit when travelling on an S-3, but surely there's enough time to change clothes at your destination?

Rogozin also served in the Red Army and unlike Bush was at least deployed to a warzone. That doesn't make his appearance here any less ridiculous. You could debate one instance is more childish than the other, but in the end It's all just "one of the boys" posturing for PR and ego, during a war where someone else dies for their ideas.

 

[numerobis]

Congratulations. I have not awarded a hand-picked sealion picture for some time, but you have earned this. Please print it and place it near your computer so you know how you come across to others.

Reasonably, we should probably stick with the "Page 10" rule. Keep in mind that it had exceptions for gross displays that required immediate Tactical Pony Deployment. Or Sealions, as mentioned above.

But a dreadful question: what about our ROFLcopters?

....he asked idly.

The ROFLcopters were deployed to Ukraine and not many are still left.

 

[Wickwick]

"Tsar's Wolves Inspection Group" has the same energy as "King's Tigers Kitchen Battalion". Except that the latter would actually be useful.


That's neglecting the fact that Bush didn't have to fly out to a carrier in the first place (wasting military time and taxpayer money in the process) just to give a speech for national television.
Even if you somehow had to make a "frontline" appearance, personally I would expect politicians to act more humble and dress their own part; you may not wear a suit when travelling on an S-3, but surely there's enough time to change clothes at your destination?

Rogozin also served in the Red Army and unlike Bush was at least deployed to a warzone. That doesn't make his appearance here any less ridiculous. You could debate one instance is more childish than the other, but in the end It's all just "one of the boys" posturing for PR and ego, during a war where someone else dies for their ideas.

Bush gave his speech in a suit. So that photo was taken immediately upon arrival.

Bush absolutely could have given his speech anywhere. But once the destination was chosen, he was not in any way participating in cosplay.

 

[Shiranui]

Bush gave his speech in a suit. So that photo was taken immediately upon arrival.

Bush absolutely could have given his speech anywhere. But once the destination was chosen, he was not in any way participating in cosplay.

Thanks for the correction, it's been way too many years since I saw the speech!

I'll retract my criticism halfway then. I still consider that appearance a publicity stunt, but you're right that this photo under the circumstances was "unavoidable". It was most probably still calculated, as the press was obviously informed, but I can appreciate the fact that he at least switched back into politician look for the TV address.

 

[Hydrargyrum]

Rogozin's uniform isn't the only problem he's tangled up in:

Rogozin claims that Russians once considered Nazi Germany their brotherly nation.

(Incidentally, Julia Davis' translations of Russian state media is both astonishing and shocking when you witness the propaganda the Russian people are subjected to. It makes America's Fox News seem like Sesame Street. Highly recommended for those trying to understand Russia's gestalt.)

Well… that’s probably the least wrong thing he said in the translated portion of the interview? He’s referring to the period of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, between 1939 and 1941, when Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were official, internationally-declared allies. [Edit correction: only the non-aggression part of the pact was internationally declared; the effective alliance against Poland was kept secret between the Nazis and the Soviets.] Each of them took a slice of Poland for themselves. Hitler brought that period of expansionist chumminess to an end with his invasion of Russia in Operation Barbarossa, which flipped the Soviets over to join the British Empire and United States (in an alliance of convenience) for the rest of the war.

So, yeah, there was a period where the Russians and the Nazis were good friends. That’s true.

The part that’s bullshit is where he’s using it as a justification for why Russia needs to conquer Ukraine, casting Ukraine in the role of Hitler’s Germany. I feel like this probably goes without saying, but apart from the fact that Ukraine isn’t invading anyone and isn’t led by a dictator with official expansionist policies, they weren’t (and still aren’t) even engaging in an offensive arms buildup. Ukraine posed, and still poses, very little threat to Russia’s border integrity. They have even less force projection capability than Russia does.

 

[numerobis]

Well… that’s probably the least wrong thing he said in the translated portion of the interview? He’s referring to the period of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, between 1939 and 1941, when Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were official, internationally-declared allies. Each of them took a slice of Poland for themselves. Hitler brought that period of expansionist chumminess to an end with his invasion of Russia in Operation Barbarossa, which flipped the Soviets over to join the British Empire and United States (in an alliance of convenience) for the rest of the war.

So, yeah, there was a period where the Russians and the Nazis were friends. That’s true.

The part that’s bullshit is where he’s using it as a justification for why Russia needs to conquer Ukraine, casting Ukraine in the role of Hitler’s Germany. I feel like this probably goes without saying, but apart from the fact that Ukraine isn’t invading anyone and isn’t led by a dictator with official expansionist policies, they weren’t (and still aren’t) even engaging in an offensive arms buildup. Ukraine posed, and still poses, very little threat to Russia’s border integrity. They have even less force projection capability than Russia does.

Ukraine and Russia had a treaty and thought of each other as brotherly nations, until Russia invaded. So… yet another parallel that points rather the wrong way for Russia’s pride.

(Of course, Ukraine also didn’t launch pogroms or invasions during that time.)

 

[Hydrargyrum]

Ukraine and Russia had a treaty and thought of each other as brotherly nations, until Russia invaded. So… yet another parallel that points rather the wrong way for Russia’s pride.

(Of course, Ukraine also didn’t launch pogroms or invasions during that time.)

I certainly never intended to give the impression that the comparison flattered Russia! As you say, they are very much casting themselves in the role of Hitler in this particular historical analogy.

 

[Kesh]

Where am I supposed to complain to? I come to the comments, nothing useless about my comment, it's called criticism.

What you've offered is not criticism, it's just "I don't like it." Which is utterly useless.

 

[Kevin Lowe]

Ukraine and Russia had a treaty and thought of each other as brotherly nations, until Russia invaded. So… yet another parallel that points rather the wrong way for Russia’s pride.

(Of course, Ukraine also didn’t launch pogroms or invasions during that time.)

After the famine, I’m pretty sure Ukraine knew exactly what kind of sibling they were stuck with. The kind you stay as far away from as possible, as soon as possible.

 

[mhalpern]

The ROFLcopters were deployed to Ukraine and not many are still left.

well most of the Russian ones were shelled at an airfield by Kherson, they plan to build a museum there.

 

[steelcobra]

My criticism is that it isn't related in any way to the subjects Ars covers, and the editorial purpose of the article seems to be "lol got him." The first paragraph of the article explains in detail why the subject isn't relevant to this site any more. Like, why is "Science" highlighted on the menu bar above? This seems like it's aimed solely at Berger's fans who share his personal dislike of this guy (and always relentlessly downvote criticism of any sort given to his articles.)

You're just trolling.

 

[graylshaped]

Where am I supposed to complain to? I come to the comments, nothing useless about my comment, it's called criticism.

Criticism isn't simple negation. It is destructive in nature, with an embedded effort to rebuild and find congruence. Otherwise it is just contradiction.

 

[graylshaped]

My criticism is that it isn't related in any way to the subjects Ars covers, and the editorial purpose of the article seems to be "lol got him." The first paragraph of the article explains in detail why the subject isn't relevant to this site any more. Like, why is "Science" highlighted on the menu bar above? This seems like it's aimed solely at Berger's fans who share his personal dislike of this guy (and always relentlessly downvote criticism of any sort given to his articles.)

A dude who ran a rocket program isn't relevant to a science website?

Jeebus.

 

[miken32]

You're just trolling.

How is this trolling? Someone was criticised for not fully explaining their problems with this article. I've done so, and I don't think my reasons are particularly outlandish or unreasonable. You're free to disagree with them but that doesn't make it a bad-faith shitpost.

A dude who ran a rocket program isn't relevant to a science website?

No; because he no longer runs a rocket program, is never going to run a rocket program again, and his current activities have absolutely nothing to do with rocket programs.

 

[mhalpern]

How is this trolling? Someone was criticised for not fully explaining their problems with this article. I've done so, and I don't think my reasons are particularly outlandish or unreasonable. You're free to disagree with them but that doesn't make it a bad-faith shitpost.

No; because he no longer runs a rocket program, is never going to run a rocket program again, and his current activities have absolutely nothing to do with rocket programs.

yes they do, far more Russian rockets have launched as part of his current activities than ever have when he was head looter of Roscosmos