On our TV podcast <em>Decrypted</em>, we tackle the conspiracies and themes in episode 1 of <em>Westworld</em>.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32004897#p32004897:30ohwxbk said:Timboman[/url]":30ohwxbk]Taking bets on when Anthony Hopkins is gonna bite it al-la Sean Bean in Game of Thrones.
I feel like he's not even gonna survive the first half of the season, let alone to the end of it.
Beyond that bit of meta-shenanigans I'm enjoying it so far and can't wait to see where it goes.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32004961#p32004961:2u657rxh said:RickRoyLeonPrisZhoraRachael[/url]":2u657rxh]Cold storage: not cold. Seriously, that is inventory/assets. Someone would be fired.
Guns: the hosts have to be controlled with...guns?
Acting: I had a difficult time with the Norwegian actress's accent and felt her character's role was not written well (Ingrid is talented so the writing for her I hope will get better).
Also, I felt that Sir Anthony Hopkins, along with Ed Harris, were brought in to attract more viewers. Ed's character is much like The Gunslinger (the late Yul Brynner).
In the future, every business will be dark inside. Come on... I get film noir but this is just not good direction.
Um... I will continue to watch but I think 9 more episodes left...right?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005055#p32005055:13vlplin said:grahamwilliams[/url]":13vlplin]Absolutely irritating that you can't get HBO Go in Canada without a cable subscription, you can't buy it next day on any digital stores, and pirating it can be done in less than ten minutes.
Fucking hell HBO, I want to give you my money. Why won't you take it?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005111#p32005111:hvvjkeei said:Plap[/url]":hvvjkeei][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005055#p32005055:hvvjkeei said:grahamwilliams[/url]":hvvjkeei]Absolutely irritating that you can't get HBO Go in Canada without a cable subscription, you can't buy it next day on any digital stores, and pirating it can be done in less than ten minutes.
Fucking hell HBO, I want to give you my money. Why won't you take it?
Not HBO's fault. In Canada, HBO's catalogue has been licensed to Bell in the east and Telus in the west (if I remember well). And yes, it really sucks...
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005205#p32005205:255spi42 said:TXBDan[/url]":255spi42]Podcast? I'd much prefer a written series, fwiw.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005205#p32005205:es3vol7y said:TXBDan[/url]":es3vol7y]Podcast? I'd much prefer a written series, fwiw.
The fly will be back the very next day after the little fly wranglers repair it.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005145#p32005145:dfd6acfd said:sep332[/url]":dfd6acfd]My conspiracy theory: there's only one fly. Well, there was.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005459#p32005459:zx2gmilw said:skippyvsjifshowdown[/url]":zx2gmilw]I really dislike when TV shows and movies shoehorn poor variations of popular modern songs in rather than add original music. The saloon version of "Black Hole Sun" and the surprisingly long orchestral version of "Paint it Black" took me out of the moment.
The show's clearly playing into the white/black symbolism with everything, including the music (the last song in the show, "Ain't No Grave," is by Johnny Cash...."The Man in Black").[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005459#p32005459:1wz0zhqz said:skippyvsjifshowdown[/url]":1wz0zhqz]I really dislike when TV shows and movies shoehorn poor variations of popular modern songs in rather than add original music. The saloon version of "Black Hole Sun" and the surprisingly long orchestral version of "Paint it Black" took me out of the moment.
When Black Hole Sun played in the saloon I took it as a future anachronism, a subtle joke that the Westworld company (within the show) chose an old-timey song for the pianola and got the century wrong. Paint it Black was part of the score, and I found that grated much more, like you say.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005459#p32005459:2g0emh7k said:skippyvsjifshowdown[/url]":2g0emh7k]I really dislike when TV shows and movies shoehorn poor variations of popular modern songs in rather than add original music. The saloon version of "Black Hole Sun" and the surprisingly long orchestral version of "Paint it Black" took me out of the moment.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005055#p32005055:3c02g9rq said:grahamwilliams[/url]":3c02g9rq]Absolutely irritating that you can't get HBO Go in Canada without a cable subscription, you can't buy it next day on any digital stores, and pirating it can be done in less than ten minutes.
Fucking hell HBO, I want to give you my money. Why won't you take it?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005577#p32005577:1w8nh75x said:BatCrapCrazy[/url]":1w8nh75x][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005055#p32005055:1w8nh75x said:grahamwilliams[/url]":1w8nh75x]Absolutely irritating that you can't get HBO Go in Canada without a cable subscription, you can't buy it next day on any digital stores, and pirating it can be done in less than ten minutes.
Fucking hell HBO, I want to give you my money. Why won't you take it?
Just go URL so much easier for us Canadians.
(don't forget your ad blocker though.)
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005145#p32005145:2idt5kbs said:sep332[/url]":2idt5kbs]My conspiracy theory: there's only one fly. Well, there was.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005591#p32005591:x013x5nh said:siliconaddict[/url]":x013x5nh][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005577#p32005577:x013x5nh said:BatCrapCrazy[/url]":x013x5nh][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005055#p32005055:x013x5nh said:grahamwilliams[/url]":x013x5nh]Absolutely irritating that you can't get HBO Go in Canada without a cable subscription, you can't buy it next day on any digital stores, and pirating it can be done in less than ten minutes.
Fucking hell HBO, I want to give you my money. Why won't you take it?
Just go URL so much easier for us Canadians.
(don't forget your ad blocker though.)
I have it 30 minutes before an admin nukes that link. =D
I really liked the slow Paint it Black. I think deconstructing the music that way matches the themes of the show. The pianola again also references back to clockwork people, only simulating piano playing.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005493#p32005493:o7x1jx9q said:Maldoror[/url]"7x1jx9q]
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005459#p32005459:o7x1jx9q said:skippyvsjifshowdown[/url]"7x1jx9q]I really dislike when TV shows and movies shoehorn poor variations of popular modern songs in rather than add original music. The saloon version of "Black Hole Sun" and the surprisingly long orchestral version of "Paint it Black" took me out of the moment.
When Black Hole Sun played in the saloon I took it as a future anachronism, a subtle joke that the Westworld company (within the show) chose an old-timey song for the pianola and got the century wrong. Paint it Black was part of the score, and I found that grated much more, like you say.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005621#p32005621:php29ydr said:Peevester[/url]"hp29ydr]
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005145#p32005145:php29ydr said:sep332[/url]"hp29ydr]My conspiracy theory: there's only one fly. Well, there was.
Ha.
Two things immediately came to mind when I saw the flies. First was Aeon Flux (the Peter Chung cartoon, not the movie) - I SO wanted Dolores to close her eyes and trap the fly on her lashes.
The second thing was Catch-22 - Yossarian repeatedly describes one of the characters as having flies in his eyes. It's never entirely clear what he meant by it, but I take it to mean that someone is unaware of something that everyone else can see as clear as day. So the flies (if they're not just Western set dressing) symbolize the hosts starting to see the reality of their lives. I don't know if that's what the writers are doing, but I'd like that to be true because it means they're sweating even the tiny details.
Edit: Another theory is that they're there to show Dolores smashing one at the end, which is a good possibility too.
Certainly guests can kill other guests in the world through strangling or drowning. But you can do that now at Disney on It's a Small World too if you were motivated. Security and the police would apprehend you and you would be charged with murder in the real world outside the theme park.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005831#p32005831:2wvytbwp said:VultureTX[/url]":2wvytbwp]The first episode has its hints, but its the whole the guests can't be hurt that seems a false statement.
There are barrels that blow up during the robbery (Gabe from penny arcade was not the props guy on this game) , so go ahead map out the fragments when a guest shoots an exploding barrel with other guests nearby.
Then there is the sociopath guests that would shoot a host's horse just to have it fall/crash and push a guest's horse over the cliff while playing they posse storyline. And I suspect this is where we will see how hosts themselves learn to kill guests indirectly.
Meh, who wants to watch old black and white movies except maybe Casablanca or perhaps Dracula on Halloween.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005651#p32005651:1es2omqi said:Ronin007[/url]":1es2omqi]The concept of the park is meh to me, when we've had numerous open world video games (Grand Theft Auto) and more on point - Red Dead Redemption. Knowing how intricate the original Witcher was about story lines and NPC interaction, I chuckled at the writer lamenting about story impact. Physicality isn't a notable distinction to me about abuse; Westworld has always been about hedonism without consequences, morality.
Harris/Man in Black (MIB): hasn't been disproven about being a robot. I'm not sold on it, for a couple of reasons. We know that the original hosts could be determined "with a handshake" - MIB is always wearing gloves. The podcast comments about Teddy suggest to me that Teddy's the MIB origin story (like how the main bad guy was for Book in the movie Serenity) - both can come in on the train, appearing as guests. Both are greeted the same by the same prostitute in the saloon (though we haven't seen any other guests be greeted). But Teddy is not sentient, or at least not yet.
Dolores: That was creepy to find out that she's an original. Sailing past the whole Ship of Theseus thing, it makes the clips of the interaction between her & Ford [where she asks if they were old friends, and he replies "no, certainly not"] have a whole new depth about the demons he's got.
The more I think about the impact of the ability to access old memories & trauma, I'm reminded of the original Ghost in the Shell movie, along with other callbacks to the bits about implanted/faked memories. Is there any media, earlier than the movie Gaslight (1944), that utilizes memory manipulation? STTNG's Chain of Command and the movie Memento are other greats, but quite recent...
Guests can absolutely be hurt. There's a bit of an ARG going on around the show, and if you go to DiscoverWestworld.com and view source on the page, you can read the in-universe "Terms of Service" for the park.The first episode has its hints, but its the whole the guests can't be hurt that seems a false statement.
There are barrels that blow up during the robbery (Gabe from penny arcade was not the props guy on this game) , so go ahead map out the fragments when a guest shoots an exploding barrel with other guests nearby.
Then there is the sociopath guests that would shoot a host's horse just to have it fall/crash and push a guest's horse over the cliff while playing they posse storyline. And I suspect this is where we will see how hosts themselves learn to kill guests indirectly.
Statistically speaking, you are more likely to die from lightning strike than to die while in a Delos park. However, the following causes of accidental death have occurred within the Delos Destinations compound: buffalo stampede, self- cannibalism, accidental hanging, drowning, 3rd-degree burns, autoerotic asphyxiation, blunt force trauma, allergic reaction to non-native plant life, falling from great heights, common manslaughter, tumbleweeds. You absolve Delos, Inc. of any wrongdoing if you or anyone in your party suffers bodily harm while using The Service, and you agree to not sue or prosecute Delos, Inc. or any of the smaller entities falling under the Delos Corporation.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005699#p32005699:8kr1wdwr said:abridge[/url]":8kr1wdwr]I wish the commentary would stay within a single episode rather than talk about future, un-aired, content. You have the perspective of four episodes to use in discussing the first which just is a deal-breaker for me, a lack of intellectual discipline. Of course you get to make really prescient remarks, I suppose, but we're not well served.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005915#p32005915:j4y5c6bk said:Pokrface[/url]":j4y5c6bk]Guests can absolutely be hurt. There's a bit of an ARG going on around the show, and if you go to DiscoverWestworld.com and view source on the page, you can read the in-universe "Terms of Service" for the park.The first episode has its hints, but its the whole the guests can't be hurt that seems a false statement.
There are barrels that blow up during the robbery (Gabe from penny arcade was not the props guy on this game) , so go ahead map out the fragments when a guest shoots an exploding barrel with other guests nearby.
Then there is the sociopath guests that would shoot a host's horse just to have it fall/crash and push a guest's horse over the cliff while playing they posse storyline. And I suspect this is where we will see how hosts themselves learn to kill guests indirectly.
It includes this paragraph:
Statistically speaking, you are more likely to die from lightning strike than to die while in a Delos park. However, the following causes of accidental death have occurred within the Delos Destinations compound: buffalo stampede, self- cannibalism, accidental hanging, drowning, 3rd-degree burns, autoerotic asphyxiation, blunt force trauma, allergic reaction to non-native plant life, falling from great heights, common manslaughter, tumbleweeds. You absolve Delos, Inc. of any wrongdoing if you or anyone in your party suffers bodily harm while using The Service, and you agree to not sue or prosecute Delos, Inc. or any of the smaller entities falling under the Delos Corporation.
There's a ton more great info in there and on a few other pages that you can get to if you start tracing it down. Neat tidbits include:
1) The maximum length of a guest's allowed stay in the park is 28 days.
2) There is a "Delos Destinations Port of Entry," and the park itself is in a place referred to as a "Territory," not a state or county or city.
3) There is a "mainland" separate from the park
4) There is a resort named "Gold Mesa" that guests first visit before entering into Westworld proper. Gold Mesa is also where guests "decompress" after, though "decompress" here appears to mean "re-acclimate to the real world," not "get the nitrogen out of your blood in a safe way."
5) Employees are at the park for extended durations and then rotate home (because it's on an island?)
6) There is an ongoing problem with employees porking the robots behind the scenes (srsly)
"All livestock within the Delos parks are Hosts, with the notable exception of flies."[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32005915#p32005915:lktk8pjw said:Pokrface[/url]":lktk8pjw]Guests can absolutely be hurt. There's a bit of an ARG going on around the show, and if you go to DiscoverWestworld.com and view source on the page, you can read the in-universe "Terms of Service" for the park.The first episode has its hints, but its the whole the guests can't be hurt that seems a false statement.
There are barrels that blow up during the robbery (Gabe from penny arcade was not the props guy on this game) , so go ahead map out the fragments when a guest shoots an exploding barrel with other guests nearby.
Then there is the sociopath guests that would shoot a host's horse just to have it fall/crash and push a guest's horse over the cliff while playing they posse storyline. And I suspect this is where we will see how hosts themselves learn to kill guests indirectly.
It includes this paragraph:
Statistically speaking, you are more likely to die from lightning strike than to die while in a Delos park. However, the following causes of accidental death have occurred within the Delos Destinations compound: buffalo stampede, self- cannibalism, accidental hanging, drowning, 3rd-degree burns, autoerotic asphyxiation, blunt force trauma, allergic reaction to non-native plant life, falling from great heights, common manslaughter, tumbleweeds. You absolve Delos, Inc. of any wrongdoing if you or anyone in your party suffers bodily harm while using The Service, and you agree to not sue or prosecute Delos, Inc. or any of the smaller entities falling under the Delos Corporation.
There's a ton more great info in there and on a few other pages that you can get to if you start tracing it down. Neat tidbits include:
1) The maximum length of a guest's allowed stay in the park is 28 days.
2) There is a "Delos Destinations Port of Entry," and the park itself is in a place referred to as a "Territory," not a state or county or city.
3) There is a "mainland" separate from the park
4) There is a resort named "Gold Mesa" that guests first visit before entering into Westworld proper. Gold Mesa is also where guests "decompress" after, though "decompress" here appears to mean "re-acclimate to the real world," not "get the nitrogen out of your blood in a safe way."
5) Employees are at the park for extended durations and then rotate home (because it's on an island?)
6) There is an ongoing problem with employees porking the robots behind the scenes (srsly)
I'm just wondering if a robot does him in or a human kills him when they find out he's purposefully trying to have the robots become more like real people.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32004897#p32004897:1z2ione1 said:Timboman[/url]":1z2ione1]Taking bets on when Anthony Hopkins is gonna bite it al-la Sean Bean in Game of Thrones.
I feel like he's not even gonna survive the first half of the season, let alone to the end of it.
Beyond that bit of meta-shenanigans I'm enjoying it so far and can't wait to see where it goes.