In the new episode of Ars TV podcast <em>Decrypted</em>, we talk to an expert in combat technology about the park's robots.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127691#p32127691:20072zl4 said:Voldenuit[/url]":20072zl4]After watching last Sunday's episode, I'm beginning to feel that maybe the Cylons don't have a plan after all.
Also, MIB's reveal as an ARG/Easter Egg hunter was super-disappointing.
NEEEEEEERRRRRRD!!!
The human characters do need to become more rounded out, and the actors to settle in, I think. The humans (or so we assume) with the most potential right now seem to be the increasingly-sinister Dr. Ford, and Elsie Hughes (the woman from Behavior who almost got pounded with a rock). And, of course, Ed Harris as the gaunt and grizzled Man In Black. It seems to me like he could be a complete wild card in the future, especially with the revelation in ep 4 that he knows some of the hush-hush backstory of the park.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127755#p32127755:3n1ddt4b said:SaaSaFRaaS[/url]":3n1ddt4b]The humans are dull, and the robots are still ... robots.
They explained this in one of the episodes. They interact with each other to each other to continue to hone their algorithmic database so they become "more human" even when they are no actual humans around.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127755#p32127755:3otx1xou said:SaaSaFRaaS[/url]":3otx1xou]And the scenes that play out entirely with androids always make me think, "Why don't they just pause their activities to avoid wear and tear while there are no human guests around?" It's just not working for me...
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127729#p32127729:3d7p4yjw said:Schizoid[/url]":3d7p4yjw][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127691#p32127691:3d7p4yjw said:Voldenuit[/url]":3d7p4yjw]After watching last Sunday's episode, I'm beginning to feel that maybe the Cylons don't have a plan after all.
Also, MIB's reveal as an ARG/Easter Egg hunter was super-disappointing.
NEEEEEEERRRRRRD!!!
Logan was the one looking for easter eggs. The MiB is looking for something a lot more sinister.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127911#p32127911:1v139fq4 said:Voldenuit[/url]":1v139fq4][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127729#p32127729:1v139fq4 said:Schizoid[/url]":1v139fq4][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127691#p32127691:1v139fq4 said:Voldenuit[/url]":1v139fq4]After watching last Sunday's episode, I'm beginning to feel that maybe the Cylons don't have a plan after all.
Also, MIB's reveal as an ARG/Easter Egg hunter was super-disappointing.
NEEEEEEERRRRRRD!!!
Logan was the one looking for easter eggs. The MiB is looking for something a lot more sinister.
It sounded more like he was speed running on his way to unlock hidden content (the mythical no safeties mission) so in my mind he was still hunting eater eggs of sorts.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127855#p32127855:2al9h1gk said:taiganaut[/url]":2al9h1gk]The human characters do need to become more rounded out, and the actors to settle in, I think. The humans (or so we assume) with the most potential right now seem to be the increasingly-sinister Dr. Ford, and Elsie Hughes (the woman from Behavior who almost got pounded with a rock). And, of course, Ed Harris as the gaunt and grizzled Man In Black. It seems to me like he could be a complete wild card in the future, especially with the revelation in ep 4 that he knows some of the hush-hush backstory of the park.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127755#p32127755:2al9h1gk said:SaaSaFRaaS[/url]":2al9h1gk]The humans are dull, and the robots are still ... robots.
The most worrying presumably-human character to me in terms of how good the show will or won't be is Ashley Stubbs (the security dude). I've seen his type in a lot of monster-of-the-week shows, which I strongly doubt Westworld will become, but ... yeah. Maybe he's a robot, that would be an ace up the sleeve for them.
On the other hand, the most interesting robot characters are very engaging to me. I can't help but root for Dolores, and Thandie Newton is doing an excellent job portraying Maeve. I'm definitely interested to see what will happen with these two, they're both very smart and capable. Hector popped in ep 4 and as a character he's great. A bandito with a Spanish guitar scoring during his scenes would be great as part of a robot uprising.
We'll see how it goes. But yeah, right now I'm far more attached to the robots than the humans. That may well be by design, although I think Bernard is supposed to be more of a sympathetic character than he's ending up for me so far.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128029#p32128029:2jzvdnr9 said:SaaSaFRaaS[/url]":2jzvdnr9]
You make some great points. It's definitely possible that the story will pick up and become really compelling. But Jesus, talk about a slow burn. We're almost halfway through the season already.
" 'Westworld’ is wildly ambitious — on the page and on set,” Jonathan Nolan said in a recent statement. “In broadcast TV, it’s been routine for us to write and shoot at the same time. This is a completely different animal. As we got closer to the final episodes, we realized we needed to take a break from shooting to catch up on writing.”
I feel like it got off the runway in episode 4, but episode 5 will confirm or deny that.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128093#p32128093:3g944yhi said:mikiev[/url]":3g944yhi]I can only hope that means the slow burn won't be quite as slow during the 2nd half of the season.![]()
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128125#p32128125:15b6neko said:Azethoth666[/url]":15b6neko]
What is Ford's goal? It sure seems like he had some kind of non Arnold goal in mind? Or did corporate kill Arnold and so Ford is pretending to not have the same goals while he secretly is fighting for AI freedoms?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128125#p32128125:3trzid1v said:Azethoth666[/url]":3trzid1v]I am a programmer and the whole AI thing and what the hell is really going on thing is totally working for me. Nothing is breaking me out of my suspension of disbelief and the production values are the usual HBO high. So awesome so far.
Now it seems like the Maze was designed by Arnold? It is still unclear if it is a hidden level even from management or did he add hidden meaning to it so that the hosts can trigger to full consciousness through it? Or it is the final stage for making them fully conscious?
Full consciousness was Arnold's goal so it would seem that the current awakening is some plan he set in motion before his death.
What is the Arnold MiB relationship? Is MiB trying to figure out what happened to his friend or just seeking the mythical ultimate thrill that The Maze might be or both?
What is Ford's goal? It sure seems like he had some kind of non Arnold goal in mind? Or did corporate kill Arnold and so Ford is pretending to not have the same goals while he secretly is fighting for AI freedoms?
Meanwhile Bernard is on some kind of tragedy relief mission for himself. Is he trying to recreate a lost child or just getting a fringe benefit of psychological help?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128191#p32128191:dhk0gz99 said:mvmiller12[/url]":dhk0gz99]I don't get this "slow burn" thing some of you are on about. For me the show has been nothing short of captivating. I think the pacing is perfectly fine as it - neither too fast nor too slow. My only impatience with this show is waiting for "Next Sunday" every week...
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128125#p32128125:31pivhx7 said:Azethoth666[/url]":31pivhx7]I am a programmer and the whole AI thing and what the hell is really going on thing is totally working for me. Nothing is breaking me out of my suspension of disbelief and the production values are the usual HBO high. So awesome so far.
Now it seems like the Maze was designed by Arnold? It is still unclear if it is a hidden level even from management or did he add hidden meaning to it so that the hosts can trigger to full consciousness through it? Or it is the final stage for making them fully conscious?
Full consciousness was Arnold's goal so it would seem that the current awakening is some plan he set in motion before his death.
What is the Arnold MiB relationship? Is MiB trying to figure out what happened to his friend or just seeking the mythical ultimate thrill that The Maze might be or both?
What is Ford's goal? It sure seems like he had some kind of non Arnold goal in mind? Or did corporate kill Arnold and so Ford is pretending to not have the same goals while he secretly is fighting for AI freedoms?
Meanwhile Bernard is on some kind of tragedy relief mission for himself. Is he trying to recreate a lost child or just getting a fringe benefit of psychological help?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128125#p32128125:3mvr3cm0 said:Azethoth666[/url]":3mvr3cm0]I am a programmer and the whole AI thing and what the hell is really going on thing is totally working for me. Nothing is breaking me out of my suspension of disbelief and the production values are the usual HBO high. So awesome so far.
Now it seems like the Maze was designed by Arnold? It is still unclear if it is a hidden level even from management or did he add hidden meaning to it so that the hosts can trigger to full consciousness through it? Or it is the final stage for making them fully conscious?
Full consciousness was Arnold's goal so it would seem that the current awakening is some plan he set in motion before his death.
What is the Arnold MiB relationship? Is MiB trying to figure out what happened to his friend or just seeking the mythical ultimate thrill that The Maze might be or both?
What is Ford's goal? It sure seems like he had some kind of non Arnold goal in mind? Or did corporate kill Arnold and so Ford is pretending to not have the same goals while he secretly is fighting for AI freedoms?
Meanwhile Bernard is on some kind of tragedy relief mission for himself. Is he trying to recreate a lost child or just getting a fringe benefit of psychological help?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128407#p32128407:82g7ey9x said:Doc Spector[/url]":82g7ey9x]My guess is that Arnold does not, and never has, exist(ed). Dr. Ford IS, and always has been, Arnold.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128561#p32128561:6ban9aho said:MrMcLargeHuge[/url]":6ban9aho]Did anyone else hear echoes of Ready Player One when Ford was talking about Arnold? It immediately popped into my mind.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127729#p32127729:3r2c80vs said:Schizoid[/url]":3r2c80vs][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127691#p32127691:3r2c80vs said:Voldenuit[/url]":3r2c80vs]After watching last Sunday's episode, I'm beginning to feel that maybe the Cylons don't have a plan after all.
Also, MIB's reveal as an ARG/Easter Egg hunter was super-disappointing.
NEEEEEEERRRRRRD!!!
Logan was the one looking for easter eggs. The MiB is looking for something a lot more sinister.
First, it better goddamn not be purgatory again! Dammit JJ.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128315#p32128315:3cku9pcz said:NinjaNerd56[/url]":3cku9pcz][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128125#p32128125:3cku9pcz said:Azethoth666[/url]":3cku9pcz]I am a programmer and the whole AI thing and what the hell is really going on thing is totally working for me. Nothing is breaking me out of my suspension of disbelief and the production values are the usual HBO high. So awesome so far.
Now it seems like the Maze was designed by Arnold? It is still unclear if it is a hidden level even from management or did he add hidden meaning to it so that the hosts can trigger to full consciousness through it? Or it is the final stage for making them fully conscious?
Full consciousness was Arnold's goal so it would seem that the current awakening is some plan he set in motion before his death.
What is the Arnold MiB relationship? Is MiB trying to figure out what happened to his friend or just seeking the mythical ultimate thrill that The Maze might be or both?
What is Ford's goal? It sure seems like he had some kind of non Arnold goal in mind? Or did corporate kill Arnold and so Ford is pretending to not have the same goals while he secretly is fighting for AI freedoms?
Meanwhile Bernard is on some kind of tragedy relief mission for himself. Is he trying to recreate a lost child or just getting a fringe benefit of psychological help?
So, the theory at my house is that part of Delos/Arnold worked on is life extension via a host transfer.
Arnold isn't dead, but his choice to be 'subject Zero' didn't work out well.
MiB knows enough to seek the one thing he can't buy...immortality. Solving the maze may...or may not...be his salvation.
Or it's Purgatory and we burn down the HBO building.
Agreed. However, I would say Arnold was never human but the first conscious AI? Ford became close to his creation and then either had to snuff him or corporate or oversight or investment snuffed him? (I am assuming there is an oversight section if this has military connections.)[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128457#p32128457:zptbq194 said:SaaSaFRaaS[/url]":zptbq194][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128407#p32128407:zptbq194 said:Doc Spector[/url]":zptbq194]My guess is that Arnold does not, and never has, exist(ed). Dr. Ford IS, and always has been, Arnold.
Very interesting theory!
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32127691#p32127691:1okefdln said:Voldenuit[/url]":1okefdln]After watching last Sunday's episode, I'm beginning to feel that maybe the Cylons don't have a plan after all.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32128191#p32128191:jq8n0mu0 said:mvmiller12[/url]":jq8n0mu0]I don't get this "slow burn" thing some of you are on about. For me the show has been nothing short of captivating. I think the pacing is perfectly fine as it - neither too fast nor too slow. My only impatience with this show is waiting for "Next Sunday" every week...
Or Arnold died in the no safeties maze game. Ford is finally getting ready to reveal the maze as the latest expansion of the world.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32131271#p32131271:3v44z1ol said:taraba[/url]":3v44z1ol]The only writing part that seemed to not match up is that they seemed to be alluding to Arnold making this maze, but then Armistice (with the snake tattoo) mentions Wyatt and that was something that Ford just created as a new story & back story for Teddy. So either Ford just accidentally repurposed Wyatt in to something that leads to the maze, or Ford is aware of the maze Arnold created and keeping that functioning, or Ford actually created / co-created the maze.