COVID vaccines still protect against heart problems, large study finds
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So is there an increase in MACE events across the population since the pandemic?
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To me, the most crazy thing is not that Trump was elected a second time. Populists are by definition very good at winning elections.
What surprises me the most, is that there are actually enough intellectually and morally deprived politicians in both chambers of the legislative branch to KEEP him there - and by extension the most damaging and fanatical leader the HHS has ever seen.
Stop blaming Trump. He is horrible in more ways that one can count; but every single day he is enabled and empowered by Republicans in Congress. While it would take 20 (out of 57) of them to actually remove Trump from power, stopping the most bonkers actions and laws would take a mere 4 of them.
As an outsider, it's really difficult to understand how US politics got SO polarized, that it's impossible to find a mere 4 out of 53 people with moral integrity.
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Yes. Especially if you have had covid, and even more so if you were hospitalized with it.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11289012/
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Despite all the anti-vaccine misinformation, I am truly shocked at how low those rates are.
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With apologies to doorknobs everywhere, you are quite correct.
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Not going to claim all the answers, nor do I have time to really delve into to it, but a lot of this is just the fruits of a decades long campaign by right wingers to slowly seep their propaganda into all facets of our media (traditional and social alike) combined with a concerted effort to elect like minded people at the lowest to highest levels of our government, judicial, and other civic institutions (from parent teacher associations to Supreme Court). trump is merely the symptom of a much bigger disease that’s slowly infected our country. By the time he came along, the Overton window had been shifted enough to the right that someone could finally say the quiet parts out loud and get away with it.
Honestly don’t know how we put this cat back in the bag. As someone looking out from the inside right now, the path out of this illness doesn’t really seem to exist at the moment.
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"Still, the findings indicate that the vaccines continue to offer cardiovascular protection against COVID-19, which should factor into people’s decisions on whether to get an annual COVID-19 booster."
Yeah, I suppose.
But not dying from COVID is probably higher on my list factors influencing my decision. Of course, not getting others sick is also a factor. And preventing or curtailing a pandemic is a factor.
Yet, I thought COVID was just like a bad cold and would go away when the weather warmed up.
Yeah, I suppose.
But not dying from COVID is probably higher on my list factors influencing my decision. Of course, not getting others sick is also a factor. And preventing or curtailing a pandemic is a factor.
Yet, I thought COVID was just like a bad cold and would go away when the weather warmed up.
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I still haven't had COVID and I don't especially want to. The article reminded me that I'm due for a booster. I just made an appointment for Friday (and added in shingles). Thanks!
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"...that it's impossible to find a mere 4 out of 53 people with moral integrity."
Greed and fear working together can really do a number on moral integrity. For the greedy, they've already dispensed with morals: they just want power and money. And US sociopolitical structure encourages greed from the first moment each US baby is born. For those who have escaped the trap of greed, FEAR. They fear the consequences of acting on any decent moral principles they hold.
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It still enrages me that we basically have a Star Trek level technology in real life, and we end up with a bunch of Pakleds in charge.
The more I learn about things mRNA vaccines might actually treat (as in, with some degree of evidence, not speculation) the more angry I get. One I'm following with interest is a Moderna HSV vaccine. Combine the mRNA lunacy with a nice dose of puritanism and I wonder how quickly this one will die once it finishes its phase 1/2 trials.
Me too. Makes me wonder about the statistics of older people being more conservative and its correlation with this statistic. That is, it's not that you get more conservative as you get older, it's that conservatives tend to survive longer.
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I've had both COVID and the vaccine (not in that order), and I will say that the vaccine was at worst a 24 period of lethargy, but thanks to it my affliction with COVID was a case of 3 days of flu-like symptoms followed by 4 days feeling relatively normal in quarantine to ensure I tested negative before returning to work. Not great, but miles better than my coworker who eschewed the vaccine and ended up on a respirator for two weeks despite being a decade younger than me.
I get that people can be recalcitrant to pain and suffering, but considering how many people line up to get flu shots every year I can't imagine a day's worth of feeling bad is what's stopping people getting the COVID vaccine.
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Because people believed a criminal and traitorous president who was willing for them to die by the thousands so he could pretend covid wasn't an issue to get reelected. Then they did it again.
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I'm over 50, have a couple of comorbidies, and just found out at as part of my last annual physical I'm immunocompromised. Thankfully I live in a sane, science respecting state and will be able to get the shots.
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Fox News.
When my dad retired from the car plant he started watching Fox allllll day. He went from a Social Justice Catholic to being the most hate filled invective spewing person I knew in about 12 months.
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2020 the majority of voters voted to elect Kamala Harris VP for the sole job any VP actually has: to take over from a president when they cannot continue in the office. In 2024 4 million of those voters failed to even show up to vote for Harris to do exactly that job: take over from Biden when he couldn't continue. Even though in 2024 they were to choose again between Harris taking over for Biden vs getting more Trump instead.
Yes, Trump is a monster. Yes, his Republican Party is nothing but cowards doing whatever MAGA wants. But they're Republicans, they want power, we can only expect them to use it monstrously. The worse people are the 4 million Americans whose job was just to show up and vote again the way they had just 4 years before, for the exact same people, against the exact same monsters, but didn't. They were told over and over that democracy was on the ballot, it needed them to vote for it, and they didn't. They are the worst.
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No issues at all for me/ Last Covid shot, April 2026. Moderna too. Flu shots too now. If you are feeling it after the dose, means maybe you needed it?
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Good to know. I'm 84.5 years old and have had six COVID-19 shots since 2021. Had a mild case of COVID in 2022. Nothing since. I'm healthy and active.
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Just one of many tools global oligarchs and foreign governments are using in a vast rightwing disinfo conspiracy to pick apart our democracy. They are totally winning, democracy doesn't even have the "free press" army that's supposed to defend it - that's an oligarch / foreign government asset too now.
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We are not talking people here. Once you realize that we are talking senators, most of whom look on Caligula's horse as an intellectual powerhouse, the understanding flows easily.
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YMMV. I have gotten all my boosters, often with flu, and occasionally a third vaccine, and I usually hardly have a sore arm even if it is knocked. And I will continue to get them, as long as they are available, and I am still above the daisies.
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Yes, in terms of absolute numbers (5 vs 3 in 10K) that's modest, but the absolute numbers don't matter, we're not talking about just 10K patients, even the study is over 1M (so 500 down to 300) and literally billions of people have been vaccinated which could be hundreds of thousands fewer people in that proportion. 3 is 60% of 5, a 40% drop. And 5 vs 3 in 10K isn't even actually the absolute numbers, it's a proportion itself reduced down to the smallest integer numerator. Mentioning just the absolute numbers but not what they actually mean, even calling them "absolute numbers", really misrepresents the results.
358/382 is about 92%, while 207/223 is about 93%. A 7-8 percentage point drop is not a stronger benefit than a 40 percentage point drop.
That's the researchers emphasizing the absolute numbers, which further scale up. They do have some caveats, which is appropriate, but which doesn't minimize the importance the way the "absolute numbers" disclaimer does.
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What boggles my mind is why someone would waste the little time they have left watching any type of 24 hour news all day when there is so much more can enjoy in the world. He needs to touch grass, as the kids say.
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Glad to hear you are taking the shots and happy to hear you didn't get COVID. But my guess is just that it was so mild and didn't test for COVID specifically. I've gotten every single COVID shot (7 by last count). But tested positive for COVID 3 times. First time was in 2022 and was hard (Omicron variant I think). But other two times it was pretty mild. I got tested because I was visiting my mother who was 93 at the time. I do fly frequently. So I knew I was at risk of contracting and wanted to get tested everytime I felt sick.
The upside is I'm now at a lower risk of dementia
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Individual results vary. COVID shots have been a nothingburger every single year. Shingrex suuuuuucked, comparatively (super sore in the injected muscle for two days -- still better than an actual shingles outbreak, so do it anyway!). RSV and pneumonia were substantially side-effect free as well.
Give me all the vaccines. I refuse to risk debilitation or death due to the minor inconvenience of occasional side effects. Plus, I was told that I would become magnetic and shit, so I'm still buying tickets for the superpower lottery.
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The political system that has only ever had two parties? Sure, there's independents but generally they aren't successful.
The alternative is actual multi-party politics, like Canada... Which means vote splitting - so it's easier to win. But the representation is technically better. Some of the best things come out of minority governments...
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Calling that human beef jerky a "doorknob" is an insult to the very functional doorknobs everywhere.
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If you think a COVID shot makes you feel terrible you are not going to like the consequences of a major cardiovascular event. Any if them.
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It sounds like they both dislike their COVID vaccination side effects and will dislike the consequences of a major cardiovascular event. But they take the vaccination anyway, because they don't want cardio event, or COVID itself which is worse than the vaccination side effects.
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Ranked choice voting, where voters rank the options in the order they choose, then the overall winner of the various weights, is another way to make US elections work with minor party candidates competing with vastly larger parties' candidates. NYC and other election jurisdictions already use it, though it's recent.
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Everyone is not going to have the same reaction. I too feel lousy for a day or two, but it is not a deterrent for me.
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That was my interpretation too. Basically it shows what happens when one adds in the background level of MACE events (which are relatively high in this population) to the MACE events which were triggered by an actual Covid infection. The former swamps the latter.
I will still be taking the yearly Covid vaccine, but this study isn't exactly a great advertisement for it. The MACE risk from a viral infection of 5 in 10000, or 1 in 2000, is orders of magnitude lower than the risks for serious side effects from some common drugs, drugs millions of people take every day. People who take a lot of NSAIDs to treat arthritis, for instance, have a 33% percent higher risk of MACE events:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34864969/
Another comparison point - a single CAT scan has a risk of about 1 in 2000 of causing a fatal cancer. Generally that risk is negligible compared to the immediate risk from the car crash, head trauma, or preexisting cancer for which that study was ordered.
The reduction to 3 in 10000 is significant in terms of public health, but in terms of personal risk it isn't very impressive because the original rate was already in the "odds are nobody you know personally will ever get this from a Covid infection" range.
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My take on the politics has everything to do with the effort to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD). You can get away with murder, as ICE has, if you can create enough FUD. The wealthy have used FUD to divide the electorate, and putting El Supremo Anti-vaxxer RFK jr. was the smart move for them. The weak-minded will succumb to the FUD. mRNA vaccines are safe, but safety is not an absolute which is what the right wing has been selling for the last 50 years, an impossibility as the only acceptable result.
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