The govt is allergic to both data and investments at the moment.Reducing the spike in pedestrian deaths requires data-driven investments
Yeah there's got to be some change in traffic volume or behavior, on either the pedestrian or driver side. The roads have basically been the same over the period in question.I need to have a more in depth read of their report but I didn't see a very compelling narrative as to what is causing the increase in pedestrian fatalities. It did a very good job of detailing where and when these events are happening. But it was weak on the "why is there more now" aspect. We've always had nights, multi-family housing isn't new and neither is poorly designed, pedestrian unfriendly infrastructure. That stuff certainly hasn't changed much in the last 10 years.
Isn't that just simply places people are more likely to be walking?more common in older neighborhoods, more socially deprived neighborhoods, neighborhoods with more multifamily housing, and neighborhoods with more "arts/entertainment/food/accommodations" workers.
Don't blame the pedestrians for taking the easiest way across the street, blame the road designers who failed to accommodate the reality of pedestrian travel patterns. Add to that, many multilane intersections cycle through the light too quickly for pedestrians to safely cross. As the article mentions, it's a shitshow of compounding factors that maybe can't be fixed without razing the exurban landscape and starting over.Anecdotally, in my city many of the pedestrian deaths are indeed on multi-lane arterial roads. And mostly where pedestrians are not crossing at intersections with crosswalks. It's not a matter of not having the crosswalks, they are crossing within eyesight of them.
This is all pedestrian led - remove pedestrians from roads and they can't get killed on them. These aren't deaths caused by cars leaving the road surface![]()
That's victim-blaming. Until the United States have finished building their series of pneumatic transport tubes (as depicted in the hit series Futurama), pedestrians will continue to ped.This is all pedestrian led - remove pedestrians from roads and they can't get killed on them. These aren't deaths caused by cars leaving the road surface![]()
Yes, they do leave the road surface, e.g. driving down sidewalks, driving or skidding into shoulders or parking areas, and even going on ballistic trajectories into buildings, including occupied homes.This is all pedestrian led - remove pedestrians from roads and they can't get killed on them. These aren't deaths caused by cars leaving the road surface![]()
It would have been helpful to mention the magnitude of that increase relative to the other factors mentioned.For a while, researchers started seeing that the increased pedestrian death toll was almost entirely happening after dark and on urban arterial roads—this has continued to be true through 2022, the AAA report says.
As @ashypans mentioned, there's a lack of mention for why already-dangerous situations seem to be getting more dangerous, even if it's just an increase in traffic volume or population living in those areas.These and some other factors (increased amount of driving, more alcohol consumption) have each played a small role, but even together, they don't explain the magnitude of the trend.
I think they need to do a serious investigation of newer LED headlights here. I, and many others, find them almost completely blinding both when walking and when driving. I'd be interested in seeing even just a simple correlation analysis between number of cars with LED headlights and pedestrian deaths.I need to have a more in depth read of their report but I didn't see a very compelling narrative as to what is causing the increase in pedestrian fatalities. It did a very good job of detailing where and when these events are happening. But it was weak on the "why is there more now" aspect. We've always had nights, multi-family housing isn't new and neither is poorly designed, pedestrian unfriendly infrastructure. That stuff certainly hasn't changed much in the last 10 years.
For those of you wondering what an "arterial road" is, the USDOTFHWA have provided an explanation, which says there are "four major road function classifications: Interstates, Other Arterials, Collectors, and Local roads" and that The Interstate System are classified as arterial roads, leaving only collectors and local roads as non-arterial roads.
Source:
https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/speedmgt/data_facts/docs/rd_func_class_1_42.pdf
I hope that helps!
The article cites arterial roads which don't usually have on-street parking. These are high-capacity multi-lane roads that are just below highway. This is not neighborhoods or retail districts.Has anyone looked into whether on-street parking may play a role? I wonder, because on street parking can make it hard to even realize there are pedestrians down the street (line of site being blocked by vehicles), until you are almost on top of them.
Now, of course, on street parking has been a thing that has existed for a long time, so this might not play a role. But I wonder if on street parking has become a lot more common over the decades, to the point where it has started playing a role, because there are more cars on the street, larger cars and trucks and vans that block the view more completely, etc?
In my area you can go into the places mentioned in the report and see tens of people just standing on the side of the road after dark like it's some kind of block party. People cross the street multiple times to greet someone on the other side of the road, not because they are visiting a retail establishment. At least in this area I think it's cultural in poor neighborhoods. No money, nothing to do, so you stand in the street.
Where pedestrians are expected to cross a multilane road, shouldn't there be a traffic light with walk signals, if not a pedestrian under/overpass? I would think people would get killed as long as cars aren't required to stop, even if the speed limit is only 30mph.High speeds is what kill people. Anywhere people are expected to cross a road should see reduced number of lanes and slower traffic if we actually care about reducing death.
more common in older neighborhoods, more socially deprived neighborhoods, neighborhoods with more multifamily housing, and neighborhoods with more "arts/entertainment/food/accommodations" workers.
(sorry, apparently I still can't get my brain around multi-quote.)Isn't that just simply places people are more likely to be walking?
Bicycles are most definitely not nearly as bad as cars when it comes to danger to pedestrians. Buses are better if only because of how many car passenger-kilometres they can replace. Trams are especially good at coexisting with pedestrians because of visible fixed tracks and less lateral swaying during turns (because all axles turn along the same track). Metros and elevated railways can be surprisingly cost-efficient in some locations considering their high capacity and how much it costs to build and maintain roads and vehicles to achieve the same capacity with cars. Horses are best left for recreation and maybe mounted police in parks.So eliminate vehicles from roadways and replace with? E-bikes? No..those operators are clearly just as bad, if not worse because silent. Horses? Ok..but that's alot of shit. Trams/buses? Still a vehicle (oh buses kill many) and who will operate, how often on the route? Elevated, automated monorail that stops at all intersections in suburan/rural areas? Good luck funding and building that!
More should have reflective clothes. Walk against traffic, not with. No, we don't need more "lighting" of rural roads UNLESS its AI lighting that determines there are pedestrians and they light up one ahead, above and one behind as they walk -like in parking garages. No county is going to install sidewalks let alone paved pathways. And there are always someone late night asshole that is tired or drunk or both or poor night vision that shouldn't be behind the wheel.
Too many people... THAT is the problem.
Empirical observation from one who lives in a major U.S. city: When the pandemic greatly reduced traffic, extremely reckless driving surged. Extreme speeding, e.g. >80 MPH in 25 zones, running red lights and stop signs is far more common than it was pre-pandemic.
Yes, they do leave the road surface, e.g. driving down sidewalks, driving or skidding into shoulders or parking areas, and even going on ballistic trajectories into buildings, including occupied homes.
I don't step off the curb on a green light or "walk" signal any more until I see oncoming traffic in both directions come to a stop. It is necessary to assume that eeery driver is some combination of incompetent, drunk, drugged, distracted, or just plain stupid.
I think a big part of this is the approach of IIHS, which rewards brighter illumination of the road. They do look at spillover glare, but the fact is that the brighter you light the road in front of you, the greater the contrast ratio to anything outside that area - making anything outside the high-intensity lighting zone harder to see. My personal theory is that this is a big piece of the issue - we are massively over-illuminating the road, increasing driver comfort (and therefore speed) while making anything outside the primary illumination zone (or in shadow) increasingly difficult to see.I think they need to do a serious investigation of newer LED headlights here. I, and many others, find them almost completely blinding both when walking and when driving. I'd be interested in seeing even just a simple correlation analysis between number of cars with LED headlights and pedestrian deaths.
Traffic lights do not stop distracted drivers. Traffic lights are not always nearby and can be a km or more away.Where pedestrians are expected to cross a multilane road, shouldn't there be a traffic light with walk signals, if not a pedestrian under/overpass? I would think people would get killed as long as cars aren't required to stop, even if the speed limit is only 30mph.