CDC to release guide for life after vaccination—with normalcy still far off

There are small steps toward normal life, but most activities are still out of bounds.

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[ucfengr]

It's almost as if the vaccine doesn't really do anything. Personally, I'm of the opinion that the CDC can all go to Hell, I'm going to Texas.

 

[ucfengr]

The CDC guidance seems to be that the vaccine is useless so we need to continue masks, social distancing, etc forever.

 

[ucfengr]

The CDC guidance seems to be that the vaccine is useless so we need to continue masks, social distancing, etc forever.

You expect rapture this summer, or is the next quarter the limit of how much time you can conceive?

You might have a point if we weren't about to enter the 2nd year of "2 weeks to flatten the curve".

 

[ucfengr]

The CDC guidance seems to be that the vaccine is useless so we need to continue masks, social distancing, etc forever.

You expect rapture this summer, or is the next quarter the limit of how much time you can conceive?

You might have a point if we weren't about to enter the 2nd year of "2 weeks to flatten the curve".

Generally by the time you're sick and the time it's too late for you to be saved both tend to come and go before you have any warning or rationality to recognize it. So please, go to Texas and stay away from the 5 million Biden voters there. We'll be eagerly skimming the obituaries for you here the next 3 months.

When you get to the point where you're wishing for the death of your political opponents, it might be time to recognize that your obsession with politics is an unhealthy one.

 

[ucfengr]

The CDC guidance seems to be that the vaccine is useless so we need to continue masks, social distancing, etc forever.

You expect rapture this summer, or is the next quarter the limit of how much time you can conceive?

You might have a point if we weren't about to enter the 2nd year of "2 weeks to flatten the curve".

You’re mad that politicians lied to you about how hard it would be, so you want to move somewhere the politicians lie even more brazenly about how hard it’s going to be?

I expect politicians to lie, my concern is the CDC and the rest of the medical establishment lying.

 

[ucfengr]

The CDC guidance seems to be that the vaccine is useless so we need to continue masks, social distancing, etc forever.

You expect rapture this summer, or is the next quarter the limit of how much time you can conceive?

You might have a point if we weren't about to enter the 2nd year of "2 weeks to flatten the curve".

Having gotten it myself and having a pretty good idea of the consequences six months out if I wasn't near one of the single-digit infusion sites not being inundated with a horror show of cases with funeral homes matching beside the hospitals with a primary care physician wondering why I waited five days after I was symptomatic to get tested because I underestimated just how bad it was...

Generally by the time you're sick and the time it's too late for you to be saved both tend to come and go before you have any warning or rationality to recognize it. So please, go to Texas and stay away from the 5 million Biden voters there. We'll be eagerly skimming the obituaries for you here the next 3 months.

The heavier you are, the more screwed you are. The older you are, the more screwed you are. The lighter you are, the more crippled you will be.

And of course Texas is utterly merciless with its emergency medical costs, so have fun with bankruptcy, because again you very likely won't recognize you needed medical care as a patient until well past the point it's obvious you did. I can tell you this bluntly with experience that you can't reason your way through it and the luck crapshoot means you are statistically more likely to die or have months or years-long chronic complications with exhaustion, brainfog and memory than have it be a bad memory after one infusion. Assuming you can even get the infusion without paying through the nose even with insurance.

The vast majority of people (aged under 65) that get infected with COVID have very mild disease, requiring no treatment.

For that matter, so do the vast majority over 65. Now, you literally have people discussing the need to implement COVID like restrictions every flu season, and if you disagree, you're anti-science, or worse, a Republican, or even worse, a Trump supporter.

 

[ucfengr]

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I guess you live in Quebec so I don't know what your guys's problems are there, but here in the US, we have a hundred million people who think that the virus is fake news and can't be bothered to follow local lockdown rules and masking policies. We have counties (and entire states) lifting lockdown restrictions left and right even though only a very small percentage of the population has been vaccinated. These people are accounting for 99.99999% percent of the disease transmission.

I'm pretty sure 99.999% of COVID transmission can be laid at the feet of half a dozen Democrat governors who mandated nursing homes take COVID positive patients.

 

[ucfengr]

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If that was true, Covid would be disproportionately impacting those communities or states. That isn't the case. Thankful to live in Montana.

See: Australia, China, NZ, etc. for evidence that lockdowns absolutely can work if they're enforced consistently and aggressively enough.

Is China really the enforcement model you want to emulate?

 

[ucfengr]

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Is China really the enforcement model you want to emulate?

I said that their lockdown worked, not that I wanted to emulate their enforcement model. F**k me, it's called reading skills.

You're the one who brought up an authoritarian police state that rapes and murders it's religious minorities, and relies on slave labor for most of it's production, as an example of how a lock down can be made to work. I just pointed it out. Personally, it's not an example I would have used.

 

[ucfengr]

You might have a point if we weren't about to enter the 2nd year of "2 weeks to flatten the curve".

Having gotten it myself and having a pretty good idea of the consequences six months out if I wasn't near one of the single-digit infusion sites not being inundated with a horror show of cases with funeral homes matching beside the hospitals with a primary care physician wondering why I waited five days after I was symptomatic to get tested because I underestimated just how bad it was...

Generally by the time you're sick and the time it's too late for you to be saved both tend to come and go before you have any warning or rationality to recognize it. So please, go to Texas and stay away from the 5 million Biden voters there. We'll be eagerly skimming the obituaries for you here the next 3 months.

The heavier you are, the more screwed you are. The older you are, the more screwed you are. The lighter you are, the more crippled you will be.

And of course Texas is utterly merciless with its emergency medical costs, so have fun with bankruptcy, because again you very likely won't recognize you needed medical care as a patient until well past the point it's obvious you did. I can tell you this bluntly with experience that you can't reason your way through it and the luck crapshoot means you are statistically more likely to die or have months or years-long chronic complications with exhaustion, brainfog and memory than have it be a bad memory after one infusion. Assuming you can even get the infusion without paying through the nose even with insurance.

The vast majority of people (aged under 65) that get infected with COVID have very mild disease, requiring no treatment.

For that matter, so do the vast majority over 65. Now, you literally have people discussing the need to implement COVID like restrictions every flu season, and if you disagree, you're anti-science, or worse, a Republican, or even worse, a Trump supporter.

Most people infected do have only mild cases.

But one out of every 615 Americans is dead. Not one out of every 615 cases, or one out of every 615 infections. One out of every 615 Americans. And that's not the limit of what it is capable of. In New Jersey, it's one out of every 378 people is dead. In New York, one out of 402. If we hit those kind of proportions in the US, we'd have around 870,000 dead and not 533,000. Even higher if we hadn't implemented lockdowns and social distancing at all.

That's nothing like the flu. In the 2018-2019 season, approximately one out of every 10,000 people died of the flu. I like those odds a heck of a lot better.

I'm all for a reasonable discussion of what the appropriate behaviors are, and looking at what is appropriate post-vaccination based on the evidence, but it has to start from a realistic understanding of what we are facing.

New York and New Jersey had some of the country’s strictest lock lock downs, and yet they had much higher death rates than states with much less restrictive lock downs. Someone who follows the science, rather than views COVID through a political lens would note that and understand that questions about continuing lock downs are legitimate.