Canada fought measles and measles won; virus now endemic after 1998 elimination
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Civilized nations do not allow Americans past their borders without first ensuring proper vaccination records. Their tourist dollars won't counterbalance the health risk. Grant your visas carefully.
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Don't worry, if there's one thing the US can do better than anyone else, it's being back-asswards. We'll steal the mantle from you yet.
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The thing is, I'm fully up to date on my vaccines but I don't know how I'd prove it. They were all gotten at different times from different providers, some of which closed up shop years ago. There's no central record keeping for this stuff.
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"Ignoring Alberta" -- hah, as a U.S. citizen, is this the same as saying "ignoring Texas"?
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr anti-vaccine ideologies are like a real bad cock-roach infestation , you have them in your house and believe they are good for your health, however doing nothing will make them just go away
Now take off Eh!
Now take off Eh!
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Various science fiction authors over the years have written of societies in which birth control was mandatory and that being a parent was only possible if you achieved a licence.
Once upon a time, I thought that was a horrible thing.
Now: I'm not as sure
This has happened in the USA before, as has forced sterilization and forced births (and forced conception, rape). Medicaid is explicitly prohibited from reimbursing for any sterilizing procedure unless it's a indirect result of an otherwise-necessary procedure (eg hysterectomy due to cancer), as a direct response to this long and horrifying history.
If you're wondering why this wasn't covered in school, it's because the people it happened to weren't considered "people" at the time.
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Missing Minute
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Following the will of people WRT their names should not be conditional.
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The Mennonite communities are the epicenter of the outbreaks in Ontario. But nobody wants to critize them for that, or the rate children injured in farm accidents, or...
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I keep seeing people blame her (and she is
edit: accuracy
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Also would people who had say the measles have to get vaccinated? It could all get very confusing.
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Did not know this about Quebec. I am sure my wife would not have gotten her COVID-19 shot if she had to pay. It took convincing, even with the option of getting it free and without a separate appointment, together with our child.
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With the way measles resets your entire immune system they need to get all the vaccinations again. So yeah.
Edit: It's actually more complicated than this... if they had the MMR vaccine before it appears the immune amnesia doesn't happen. I guess you're correct, it's confusing.
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I'm part of the Gen-X cohort's whose initial MMRs in the late 60s/early 70s had completely lost its efficacy. I had myself tested earlier this year (not necessary to get an MMR) and had no antibodies whatsoever. I'm so glad I got an MMR shot this summer with all of the vaccine denial shit going on right now. If you're a very young Boomer or older Gen-Xer raised in the U.S., you should probably just get an MMR vaccine if you haven't done so recently.
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Can't wait until Lysenklo Jr has to explain how MAHA led to the US losing its no-measles status. (I know it hasn't happened, but it will.)
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nsomniture
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If your state health department works with https://myirmobile.com you may be able to see many/most/all of them there. It's worth checking out at least. Your health department may be able to provide the records in another form. Other possibilities would be any higher education institution you attended since you likely had to prove vaccination status to them. And if a conglomerate has been swallowing all the hospitals and medical practices in your area, they might have the records, too.
I've just been getting every vaccine I'm medically eligible for while I still can. There are plenty of ways to make it impractical to obtain a vaccine without outright banning it. You might be surprised by some of the medical conditions that qualify you as being at a high risk of complications from an illness and therefore eligible for a vaccine.
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I'd argue that's not the only issue with that post. I've been trying to parse it in a way that makes sense since it went up. My best guess is that it came to us via Google Translate (or a similar service). You can tell they're trying to make some point, but I can't even decipher it enough to know whether I agree or disagree.How is a roach infestation good for your health?
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FSTargetDrone
Ars Scholae Palatinae
Every single person who enables the spread of these diseases should be dumped on an isolated island to fend for themselves for life. Let them all infect each other over and over again and let the problem take care of itself.
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Stupidity. Narcissist stupidity, that is what wrong with those people.
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The entire anti-vaccination movement is another reaction to the scientific revolution of the last two centuries. The revival movements in this country throughout its history have always been a reaction to enlightenment. WWII and the A-bomb resulted in the Red Scare. Landing on the moon resulted in the Christian Conservative Alliance with the post-Nixon battered GOP. The upshot of that and the Roe vs. Wade decision resulted in the withdrawal from manned space exploration, and the killing of the Super Conducting Super Collider. The internet generation happened as the decline in religious affiliation accelerated, but it has recently leveled off. The current anti-vaccination movement along with all the post-Truth propaganda flying about, is a reaction to all of the factual information out there. The only way to counter all that data is to discredit it, and the conspiracy generators have been working overtime for decades on that so the lazy and weak-minded will vote against their own best interests. Sadly, it will probably take thousands of dead children before the irrational behavior is reversed.
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I hear your 'sigh'...and I raise you with my 'groan'...a groan for virtually every single major decision reached by our current federal government, decisions that I almost ALWAYS disagree with.
It is like they do it on purpose.
You know, not a bug...but rather a feature.
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Think of how many people in the US aren't going to a doctor unless they go to ER. So many people wouldn't even recognize the signs of measles and only severe cases are likely to get attention. Especially since the unvaccinated probably would want to keep it secret even if they knew they had it.
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I'm a young Gen-Xer (if there is such a thing), and I got an additional MMR 7? 8? 10? years ago because of this. Some of us were only given 1 does in the late 70's/early 80's, and I wasn't sure.
The crazy thing is, things weren't even close to this bad yet when I got it. I never thought something this essential could ever be controversial.
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It doesn't feel real to them because they're not good at empathy and they don't have to personally witness the suffering, it's just numbers on a spreadsheet for them.
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No problem, we can roll it into a ball and launch it at the sun.
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So, um, USian or Canadian gov’t? There’s a lot wrong in with the current Canadian government, but I think they get away with it because people are comparing them to the Trump crowd.
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Although not usually so targeted as that, it’s funny (sad) how often a province fails to spend enough money on preventative and primary care.
That said, Smith is absolutely a degenerate human who deserves every ill she inflicts on others.
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Nope. In Alberta a $100 "administrative fee" applies unless you belong to one of the defined groups (seniors, homeless, healthcare workers, etc.) - who, yes, still get them free.
And this in a province which has a $27 billion-and-still-growing reserve fund. Shame!
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Alberta: 10% of the poulation, 38% of measles cases nationally. Good job, Albertans!
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Pretty much. Alberta is considered the "Texas of the North". Its Canada's cattle and oil territory, and there are a lot of other parallels.
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My favorite theory is a bit of a ripoff of Idiocracy. The smart ones stopped breeding because they saw a future where people suffer, and the stupid ones kept right on pumping out a unit every year, despite not being able to care, feed or clothe the little morons.
Tell me this ISN'T happening. Please. I could use a good laugh, since that's all I see happening today.
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Maybe when enough baby caskets get filled, Canada may backtrack and make vaccinations mandatory except with test results for immuno-compromise.
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The thing is, I've lived in four different states, so this stuff gets unwieldy.
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That would encourage a lot of non-maga U.S. and Canadian citizens to visit Europe. Just bring something to work on while in that hotel for 3 days.
Fortunately, I live in Oregon. Our state is part of the West Coast Health Alliance along with California, Washington, and Hawaii. A couple or so months back I was able to walk into a local pharmacy without a prescription and get a free drop-in COVID booster along with my flu vaccine because of that. Several Northeast states have a similar alliance.
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