Bucking RFK Jr., OB-GYNs release vaccine guidance that conflicts with CDC

Thirteen other medical groups have already endorsed the independent schedule.

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[ReadandShare]

While everyone and every organization has its biases and politics... I would rather listen to a good doctor than a good politician for medical advice.

 

[FelipeBG]

Thank you to the experts for making these available. It really helps the people that want to benefit from modern medicine.

 

[SomewhereAroundBarstow]

If it ends up being the OB-GYNs that lead the revolution I will happily join them at the barricades.

 

[ChaosFenix]

If only our government actually listened to doctors. I can easily see insurance companies following what the government says because it saves them money and basically leaving the cost of the vaccines up to the individual.

Edit: to give some context here this is happening. My covid-19 shot a few months ago cost me $250 because it wasn't covered by insurance as it was now considered elective. I can afford it but not everyone can. Regardless of the doctors recommendations we still need to be on the government because even if it is available it doesn't mean that everyone is going to be able and willing to pay up which will impact the vaccine rates regardless.

 

[Cat_Herder]

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Come and take it

What - "You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead penis?"

 

[Dhalgren]

If only our government actually listened to doctors. I can easily see insurance companies following what the government says because it saves them money and basically leaving the cost of the vaccines up to the individual.

Edit: to give some context here this is happening. My covid-19 shot a few months ago cost me $250 because it wasn't covered by insurance as it was now considered elective. I can afford it but not everyone can. Regardless of the doctors recommendations we still need to be on the government because even if it is available it doesn't mean that everyone is going to be able and willing to pay up which will impact the vaccine rates regardless.

Yep, I ran into the expensive Covid-19 shot this year as well. I can't imagine the cost of these childhood vaccines when they aren't subsidized. You'd think that public health would be a priority for the health department...

 

[Danathar]

Do insurance companies follow cdc or these organizations? I would hope their actuaries have stats that show how right the medical orgs are and support vaccines.

 

[mattand]

Still amazes and depresses me that the country that put people on the moon, is now populated with people who have no compunction about gambling with their kids' lives over easily preventible diseases.

 

[Defenestrar]

Good insurance companies will cover schedules that are not government approved recommendations like those from the ACOG and AAP because prevention is cheaper than acute care.

I do wonder whether bad insurance companies will only cover the government's list because they think a normal lifetime of preventative care is still more expensive than a very brief lifetime.

 

[ChaosFenix]

Do insurance companies follow cdc or these organizations? I would hope their actuaries have stats that show how right the medical orgs are and support vaccines.

I am pretty sure it is all based off CDC guidelines. So you can get the shots according to the doctor's recommendations but they are considered elective so you are the one paying the cost.

 

[ChaosFenix]

Good insurance companies will cover schedules that are not government approved recommendations like those from the ACOG and AAP because prevention is cheaper than acute care.

I do wonder whether bad insurance companies will only cover the government's list because they think a normal lifetime of preventative care is still more expensive than a very brief lifetime.

Well up until recently the insurance companies had no need to consider other recommendations besides the CDC so that is just what they based it off. The CDC recommendations were good science until about a year ago.

 

[ChaosFenix]

Still amazes and depresses me that the country that put people on the moon, is now populated with people who have no compunction about gambling with their kids' lives over easily preventible diseases.

Well america as a whole is very pro gambling now.

 

[ReadandShare]

Well up until recently the insurance companies had no need to consider other recommendations besides the CDC so that is just what they based it off. The CDC recommendations were good science until about a year ago.

Now I wonder if insurance companies actually rallied Trump to get their man to head the HHS?

 

[Fatesrider]

Yep, I ran into the expensive Covid-19 shot this year as well. I can't imagine the cost of these childhood vaccines when they aren't subsidized. You'd think that public health would be a priority for the health department...

Oh, it absolutely is the first priority.

The problem is they think living beyond 60 is too expensive, since for most people that's when their health begins to slide, risk factors for age-related illnesses pass the 50% mark and cost the most to insurance companies. So, in good, "staying paid" fashion, they're doing what the insurance companies want for those sweet, sweet investor growth charts to show, by doing their best to kill off people once they reach that benchmark.

Except for the wealthy, since they can afford to buy the best, of course.

Fewer old people, and kids who die young, help the insurance companies save a bundle.

/s

 

[JoHBE]

This is a level of institutional humiliation that is normally reserved for failed countries 1/1000 the size of the US.

Congratulations!

 

[mattand]

In fairness, it wasn't "the country" that put a man on the moon. It was a group of kidnapped ex-nazi rocket engineers and the US the rocket industrial complex, that were tax-payer funded out of fear of the Russkies. Exceptional people (NASA folks) can do exceptional things (Apollo) when given the resources to do it by everyone else who doesn't do anything more to actively contribute than pay taxes (the country).

Ascribing Apollo to an entire country is the definition of stolen valor but for Science.

This is the most "WELL, ACKSHULLY..." comment I have ever read in my life.

 

[Unclebugs]

That the medical community would push back against the con-men is not a surprise. What will be a surprise is if the MAGAts follow that advice.

 

[ridgeguy]

Do insurance companies follow cdc or these organizations? I would hope their actuaries have stats that show how right the medical orgs are and support vaccines.

I expect they'll follow whatever path maximizes their short-term profits.

 

[SomewhereAroundBarstow]

In fairness, it wasn't "the country" that put a man on the moon. It was a group of kidnapped ex-nazi rocket engineers and the US the rocket industrial complex, that were tax-payer funded out of fear of the Russkies. Exceptional people (NASA folks) can do exceptional things (Apollo) when given the resources to do it by everyone else who doesn't do anything more to actively contribute than pay taxes (the country).

Ascribing Apollo to an entire country is the definition of stolen valor but for Science.

By this standard no nation has ever done anything.

 

[Tormesa]

Why does Kennedy want to kill babies ?

Somebody should ask him.

 

[klarg]

Unfortunately, disregarding the CDC is now a sane, healthy move.
(So much winning …)

 

[Shanrak]

Good insurance companies will cover schedules that are not government approved recommendations like those from the ACOG and AAP because prevention is cheaper than acute care.

I do wonder whether bad insurance companies will only cover the government's list because they think a normal lifetime of preventative care is still more expensive than a very brief lifetime.

Bad insurance companies (read: most) will not cover it because doing nothing is also cheaper than acute care (as they will look for excuses to deny coverage for acute care anyway).

 

[pagh]

Yep, I ran into the expensive Covid-19 shot this year as well. I can't imagine the cost of these childhood vaccines when they aren't subsidized. You'd think that public health would be a priority for the health department...

It all makes sense once you understand that most government departments in this regime are in charge of destroying the thing they're supposed to promote. In that sense, public health is the top priority for the health department.

 

[lastskpirate]

While everyone and every organization has its biases and politics... I would rather listen to a good doctor than a good politician for medical advice.

RFK jr isn't even a good politician, he's never won an election for anything. Nobody would listen to a damn thing he said if his last name was Smith.

 

[EnPeaSea]

In fairness, it wasn't "the country" that put a man on the moon. It was a group of kidnapped ex-nazi rocket engineers and the US the rocket industrial complex, that were tax-payer funded out of fear of the Russkies. Exceptional people (NASA folks) can do exceptional things (Apollo) when given the resources to do it by everyone else who doesn't do anything more to actively contribute than pay taxes (the country).

Ascribing Apollo to an entire country is the definition of stolen valor but for Science.

Next you're gonna tell me Obama didn't kill Bin Laden and Tom Brady didn't win a Super Bowl.

 

[Fred Duck]

Still amazes and depresses me that the country that put people on the moon, is now populated with people who have no compunction about gambling with their kids' lives over easily preventible diseases.

Only a small percentage of the population of the United States of America was involved with putting people on the moon and the rest were content to sit at home drinking inexpensive beer.

As for the explosive growth in denialism, I blame internet videos.

"Some rando online says X is bad! I was surprised but there were also eight bajillion other videos saying the same thing! That means X is bad!"


Edit: I didn't mean X as in X, but as in X. Sorry for the confusion but then I wasn't the stable genius who decided to rename a social network to the most popular variable which has been in use for centuries.

 

[Uncivil Servant]

Exceptional people (NASA folks) can do exceptional things (Apollo) when given the resources to do it by everyone else who doesn't do anything more to actively contribute than pay taxes (the country).

Ascribing Apollo to an entire country is the definition of stolen valor but for Science.

You know, there are a lot of people in government medical agencies who are not physicians or nurses. I assume that there are similarly many people at NASA who are not astrophysicists or engineers.

A project that size involves people from across the country*, with all sorts of required skills. We even needed longshoremen to transport parts of the Saturn V by barge! But equally important were the accountants, managers, supervisors, planners, communicators, lobbyists(!!!), hobbyists, and of course the thousands of military service members of the USAF and Navy who helped with the launch and recovery operations.


*In fairness this was mandated by Congress for partially political geographic reasons, and I can't argue with the results

 

[Uncivil Servant]

This is a level of institutional humiliation that is normally reserved for failed countries 1/1000 the size of the US.

Congratulations!

I'm pretty sure the Principality of Monaco would never forgive me if I compared their healthcare system to ours. Fortunately theirs is better, so I don't have to be worried about being banned from any future Monaco GPs.

 

[Bernardo Verda]

I predict that this will be the best news coming out of the USA this week, probably the best news this month, and all too likely this summer.

 

[Thorzdad]

For the first time, the American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists (ACOG) has released its own recommendations for maternal vaccination…

Somewhat ironically, private sector entities stepping-in and taking over a government function is exactly what the “drown it in its bathwater” crowd wants to see happen.

Of course, the real fun will start when an astroturfed, trump-aligned “professional organization” issues a competing set of recommendations that align with Kennedy’s bullshit.

 

[ReadandShare]

Somewhat ironically, private sector entities stepping-in and taking over a government function is exactly what the “drown it in its bathwater” crowd wants to see happen.

Of course, the real fun will start when an astroturfed, trump-aligned “professional organization” issues a competing set of recommendations that align with Kennedy’s bullshit.

And once it's shown that "health experts" and "professional organizations" are supportive, MAGAs will RALLY AROUND regardless of whether they know anything at all about these 'experts/organizations'! Why? Because abortion, WOKE, and brown people!!

 

[Kilbane]

I remember when it was fun when the CDC put up a page about the Zombie Apocalypse. They should have stopped there... these new jokes are not funny.

 

[Dragonmaster Lou]

Still amazes and depresses me that the country that put people on the moon, is now populated with people who have no compunction about gambling with their kids' lives over easily preventible diseases.

The same country sadly also has a large number of people who think the moon landing was faked.

 

[Oldmanalex]

While everyone and every organization has its biases and politics... I would rather listen to a good doctor than a good politician for medical advice.

Where did you find a good politician?

 

[Oldmanalex]

RFK jr isn't even a good politician, he's never won an election for anything. Nobody would listen to a damn thing he said if his last name was Smith.

A very good point. Nepo babies, especially the sociopathic sort, find it hard to make good on any scale, as we the people are teaching ourselves.