Bioshock Infinite (End Game Spoilers Starting Page 17)

[DaveSimmons]

msclrhd[/url]":1o8thlc8]

misterjim[/url]":1o8thlc8]4. Character motivation. I'd like to know more specifics about the twins and why they're doing what we all think they're doing. This is a key plot point because they're the ones pulling you in from an alternate dimension, presumably multiple times, and I want to know if this is really the easiest way to accomplish what they want to accomplish. I suspect it's not, and that causes some of the plot to fall flat like a series of dominoes.

In the ending, when they pull Booker through the tear to the shore, before taking him to the lighthouse, Rosalind mentions that he is their "hairshirt" (something they have chosen to make their life difficult/unpleasant) like the AD mark is Bookers (for letting them take Anna). This is because they were in part responsible for taking Anna/Elizabeth (Rosalind was the one who opened the tear with her machine and Robert the one who collected Anna from Booker).

When their machine was destroyed and they were scattered across the different multi-verses, they became remoseful for what they did (see the "hairshirt" reference). Therefore, they decided to stop Comstock from existing and enlisted the different Bookers (as can be seen from the Heads/Tails scene early in the game with all the marks in the Heads column) to help achieve that goal.

You also get the impression they have tried other ways to acomplish their goal through the "Things get set in motion."/"How would one know how far back to go?" exchange.

This, but perhaps they also felt they needed to make Elizabeth a god with Booker there so that she would do the "right thing" instead of just smashing the world like Comstock wanted her to. During the story both Elizabeth and Booker learn to care for each other, it's not just Booker.

 

[vishnu]

DaveSimmons[/url]":2r8tiwtw]This, but perhaps they also felt they needed to make Elizabeth a god with Booker there so that she would do the "right thing" instead of just smashing the world like Comstock wanted her to. During the story both Elizabeth and Booker learn to care for each other, it's not just Booker.

Yeah this was my thought as well. Elizabeth doesn't just need the power to end all possible Comstocks, she needs the motivation. Her time with Booker gives her that.

 

[UnderwearYoga]

I just finished the game. Wonderfully fun. I'm mostly posting here so I get the orange marker.

 

[Wraith]

Y3k-Bug[/url]":8duyshy6]

4. Character motivation. I'd like to know more specifics about the twins and why they're doing what we all think they're doing. This is a key plot point because they're the ones pulling you in from an alternate dimension, presumably multiple times, and I want to know if this is really the easiest way to accomplish what they want to accomplish. I suspect it's not, and that causes some of the plot to fall flat like a series of dominoes.

I likely missed the explanation, but I don't get why the twins needed Booker to begin with. If destroying the huge dampener was all it took to make Elizabeth into a god, why didn't they just do it themselves? They're practically omnipotent so I'm unclear as to why they needed him at all.

I was thinking about this last night instead of sleeping and i had an idea. The twins could clearly appear when and where they wanted to and they could interact with things because they give you a few small items. They don't force you to do anything though, there's always an apparent choice (even though the game may not allow you not to take the path designed into it). It is possible that you could not go through the tear in the prison etc. While they may be stuck in time they aren't impotent so they must be choosing not to act directly.

It isn't mentioned that they have Elizabeth's level of eventual power and the theme of them trying repeatedly and failing would indicate that they don't have her level of intrinsic knowledge, she wouldn't fail because she could see all options. They may have needed to free her of constraint because they had reasoned that she was the only person capable of perfectly identifying the moment that could be altered to change the current course. As Robert says in the boat at the end, how would you know what to change and how far back to go? you'd have to be able to see all possible possibilities and outcomes and i don't think they can. It would seem that Elizabeth can.

Perhaps they aren't acting directly because they know that to do so would be imperfect and could only continue to cause further trouble. They're using a tool with free will and guiding him. It isn't working perfectly but they keep trying. Booker is a good tool because he's a known quantity, he's capable ruthless directly-connected sympathetic and a nexus of may events despite his ignorance of that fact. They know that he will not betray Elizabeth and they only need her to be free and unbroken for the whole mess to get resolved. By allowing booker to choose his path he is free of them and untainted by their purpose. A man chooses, a slave obeys. Booker chose his fate and so the mistakes they caused could be resolved by him.

Or maybe i've just read a little too much stephen donaldson.

 

[openaperture]

Is it me or does 1999 mode suddenly get much harder once the vox turn on you? No deaths until that cunting vox handyman after viceroy ices fink.

 

[HexRei]

openaperture[/url]":xjjbxz5m]Is it me or does 1999 mode suddenly get much harder once the vox turn on you? No deaths until that cunting vox handyman after viceroy ices fink.

1999, even moreso than earlier play modes, seems to be about what choices you've made in weapon/vigor/gear selections/upgrades and how you use them... at least judging by the various recounts I've seen by myself and others who have braved the mode. Any given playstyle will have strengths and weaknesses that make given encounters vary in perceived difficulty. I personally didn't have a major problem with him or really most of the game after the first 1/4 or so, but my strategy was built around evasiveness, speed, and range, and he rarely hit me. Of course this made the ship defense mission a living hell.

 

[YourHero]

openaperture[/url]":3smc7cop]Is it me or does 1999 mode suddenly get much harder once the vox turn on you? No deaths until that cunting vox handyman after viceroy ices fink.

It really all depends on your loadouts. With Posess, Charge, and the right clothing options you will walk right through the game.

I think in that particular sequence, if you have the clothing that makes you invulnerable when you got off of rails. You can kind of exploit that a little bit to be invulnerable the whole fight.

 

[technophile]

Have there been any announcements on (Season Pass type) DLC?

 

[UnderwearYoga]

technophile[/url]":25jvuvhh]Have there been any announcements on (Season Pass type) DLC?

"Eventually" is all I can find.

 

[Alyeska]

Just finished Bioshock Infinite. Waited for a sale on Steam or Amazon and there it was. My, what a game. So familiar, but so very different at the same time. A different take on the story for Ken Levine and the entire "Shock" series. The ending was a sad one. Fatalistic even. But not depressing. Booker made the ultimate sacrifice.

Elizabeth should cease to exist because she killed her father. But I wonder if her powers will allow her to continue existing like the Lutece twins. Who knows, maybe that is what the stinger was about. Elizabeth giving Booker a chance to live with Anna.

All the games in the Shock series like to make you think with twists and turns. And the ending to Infinite is no different in that regard.

I really hope there is no sequel to Infinite. The story is complete as it is. Columbia shouldn't exist anymore. Leave the fate of the ending ambiguous so we can all create our own version.

 

[Venture]

Just finished, but I have a question.

Spoiler

What is it that makes Elizabeth so special?

How did she get her superpowers?

If the Luteces did it for her, why did they need that particular child?

How are Booker and Anna so special that they have a child like Elizabeth?

 

[vishnu]

Venture[/url]":1r8xcrfd]Just finished, but I have a question.

Spoiler

What is it that makes Elizabeth so special?

Comstock is sterile, but in order to fulfill his "seed of the prophet" prophecy he needs a child of his own blood. Thus since Booker is Comstock, he has to get Booker's child in order to match the prophecy.

How did she get her superpowers?

Exposure to the machine seems to have made the Luteces special, exposure to the machine as an infant seems to have had a more profound effect on Elizabeth.

If the Luteces did it for her, why did they need that particular child?

As above, it was Comstock who needed that particular child.

How are Booker and Anna so special that they have a child like Elizabeth?

Er, Anna is Elizabeth. We know nothing about the mother.

 

[msclrhd]

Venture[/url]":27o6cp2d]Just finished, but I have a question.

What is it that makes Elizabeth so special?

How did she get her superpowers?

There is a Voxophone where Rosalind Lutece talks about Elizabeth having a piece of her (her finger) in another dimension/universe (one with Booker in it, who did not become Comstock). She says something like the Universe not liking its peas mixed with its porridge.

The implication here is that because Anna had her finger cut off by the portal and that the finger and herself existed in two parallel universes at that point, this made Anna capable of manipulating the tears into the other universes.

Once Comstock discovered this, he (with the help of the Luteces) created the Angel statue tower to siphon off the energy/power she was creating. After this was destroyed, she had access to her full potential and thus could manipulate the multiverse at will.

If the Luteces did it for her, why did they need that particular child?

Comstock, using Rosalind's portal machine saw an older version of Elizabeth "raining down fire on the sodom [New York] below". It needed to be a child from his lineage and since the machine made him sterile, he took Anna from the Booker in a Booker universe.

How are Booker and Anna so special that they have a child like Elizabeth?

Booker gave Anna to Robert Lutece and Comstock to pay off his gambling debts, who took her to Comstock's universe. There, Comstock raised her as Elizabeth.

 

[XxOmegaxX]

Has anyone toyed around with the new DLC?

Separately, is there a release date for burial at sea?

 

[hatfarm]

Just finished it today. Really, really enjoyed it. I had questions, but you guys answered most of them here.

At first, I was really upset about the core defense, but once I realized you are really just defending that core, it got pretty easy. I essentially just rained down RPG fire from different places while chain shocking bad guys. Then using the songbird to bring the pain to the zeppelins and air ships. I still didn't love the mission, but next time through it won't be as brutal as it was for me the first time.

I do have a couple minor questions, is the baptism the time when Booker decides to go down the Comstock or Booker route? Is that why he would need to be killed at that point?

I didn't get all of the voxophones, so maybe this is answered in one of them, but what makes Booker turn into Comstock? Was it the war that just made him go insane?

Also, when Booker died in the Vox revolution as a part of the revolution, was that a different dimensions' Booker? Since he would have also been the Comstock. I guess it makes sense since we know that the Luteces had several different Bookers try before getting to this one.

Also, a couple pages back vishnu had a problem with Daisy Fitzroy all of a sudden becoming evil. I thought the point was that in the dimension you come from, she's not as psychotic and the revolution isn't as successful. However, in order to save Chen, you guys switch dimensions and Chen is alive, but Daisy is more psychotic and the revolution is more successful. Since you need to be in this dimension, Daisy continues to be a psycho, but this means that she can completely change her demeanor. Yes, it's a big change, but so is a dude going from dead to alive.

 

[PolishTea]

XxOmegaxX[/url]":6l1cl4ln]Has anyone toyed around with the new DLC?

I've played about 4 hours of it in total. It's fun for what it is, which basically is a self contained set of the combat system flexing it's muscles. Which is a good thing. You play 15 waves in 4 different arena areas, each has a special win condition badge system, you make money which you spend on upgrades for weapons and vigors. You start as a fresh Booker, none of your upgrade choices in the story mode make a difference, since it's entirely self contained. Eventually you'll get enough cash bonuses to upgrade all your vigors/weapons and spend the $$ on a meauseum room that provides some more awesome songs from 'the future' some concept art type things you'd expect in a collector's edition book, and a little bit of humor like this:

(spoiled for img, not storyline, safe for everyone)

Spoiler

 

[Zeploz]

hatfarm[/url]":dkx2nzt3]
I do have a couple minor questions, is the baptism the time when Booker decides to go down the Comstock or Booker route? Is that why he would need to be killed at that point

Yes. In one world he refused it and went along as Booker, in another he was 'born again' as Comstock.

hatfarm[/url]":dkx2nzt3]I didn't get all of the voxophones, so maybe this is answered in one of them, but what makes Booker turn into Comstock? Was it the war that just made him go insane?

I don't think that was covered anywhere specifically - but I came to the conclusion that each turned to something else in their lives. Booker turned to booze and gambling, while Comstock turned obsessively into religion. They both went to extremes, in different directions.

However, Comstock kept going with the goal being the bathing of fire the mountains of men, while Booker went into remorse and regret, and could still be redeemed.

 

[BFG10K]

I got a free copy of the game with my graphics card, and I just finished it last night. I thought it was reasonably fun with beautiful graphics and good attention to level detail. Also Elizabeth’s voice acting was quality, and the story was pretty good too.

I think they should’ve added a “true” ending where Booker and Elizabeth finally reach Paris instead of the ambiguous post-credits scene where we’re not really sure if Anna’s alive or not.

But in the inevitable comparison of Rapture to Columbia, I think the Rapture games were better. Infinite lacked:

• research.
• real hacking.
• u-invent.
• multiple ammo types per gun.
• finding your own codes to unlock doors.
• a pervasive semi-sandbox level design (most of Infinite’s levels were very linear).
• salt in your inventory.

The biggest let-down was the combat implementation, specifically the two-weapon limit and the extremely low ammunition counts. That and a lot of the weapons felt weak and awkward, even after being upgraded. And taking down enemies didn’t feel particularly satisfying or rewarding most of the time.

It was like Half-Life 2 all over again except instead of the gravity gun, it was Elizabeth propping you up by randomly throwing stuff and opening up conveniently placed gun emplacements. In Rapture it was much more satisfying to fight your way through with guns, augmented by hacking/plasmids however you saw fit. Taking down Big Daddies was satisfying while the chaingun robots in Infinite were just annoying.

Also a minor quibble, but at the start of the game there was far too much walking around with nothing really happening. I know the developers wanted to show off their creation, but all that walking around could’ve been given a purpose (e.g. make a mission to research Columbia which unlocks a secret area with goodies before the combat starts).

I actually finished Rage right before Bioshock Infinite, and I felt Rage was a better game, even with its graphical warts.

 

[HexRei]

BFG10K[/url]":agej72d8]I got a free copy of the game with my graphics card, and I just finished it last night. I thought it was reasonably fun with beautiful graphics and good attention to level detail. Also Elizabeth’s voice acting was quality, and the story was pretty good too.

I think they should’ve added a “true” ending where Booker and Elizabeth finally reach Paris instead of the ambiguous post-credits scene where we’re not really sure if Anna’s alive or not.

But in the inevitable comparison of Rapture to Columbia, I think the Rapture games were better. Infinite lacked:

• research.
• real hacking.
• u-invent.
• multiple ammo types per gun.
• finding your own codes to unlock doors.
• a pervasive semi-sandbox level design (most of Infinite’s levels were very linear).
• salt in your inventory.

The biggest let-down was the combat implementation, specifically the two-weapon limit and the extremely low ammunition counts. That and a lot of the weapons felt weak and awkward, even after being upgraded. And taking down enemies didn’t feel particularly satisfying or rewarding most of the time.

It was like Half-Life 2 all over again except instead of the gravity gun, it was Elizabeth propping you up by randomly throwing stuff and opening up conveniently placed gun emplacements. In Rapture it was much more satisfying to fight your way through with guns, augmented by hacking/plasmids however you saw fit. Taking down Big Daddies was satisfying while the chaingun robots in Infinite were just annoying.

Also a minor quibble, but at the start of the game there was far too much walking around with nothing really happening. I know the developers wanted to show off their creation, but all that walking around could’ve been given a purpose (e.g. make a mission to research Columbia which unlocks a secret area with goodies before the combat starts).

I actually finished Rage right before Bioshock Infinite, and I felt Rage was a better game, even with its graphical warts.

Aside from the vehicle combat, Rage was the inferior product imo. In fact its graphics were most of the positive I had to say about it, it was quite thin outside of the combat and visual appeal. I can't really think of a plot point or character that mattered to me the whole time through.

 

[vishnu]

There are a variety of mechanical shortcomings to infinite, all of which are easily forgiven because of the superior world building, storytelling, and character development.

 

[Sunner]

vishnu[/url]":epocu8oi]There are a variety of mechanical shortcomings to infinite, all of which are easily forgiven because of the superior world building, storytelling, and character development.

I thought the whole multiverse theme kind of brought it's story down. It's a cool concept, and what they tried to do with the story and all was also very cool, things like the multiverse are just so enormously complex that it's hard to get it quite right IMO. Like time travel, a whole hornet's nest in itself in terms of story telling, multiverse is like time travel squared and you end up with weird crap that defeats the story.
They could have done with less shooty shooty and more exploration, learning about Columbia, research, etc etc. Incidentally that could also have subverted some of the weirdness of the world, like they could have at least hand waved things like how we're not unconscious while having gunfights what..5000 metres above sea level? Or how Zeppelins are awesome weapons of destruction in the mid-80's. There's just a lot of things like that that brought down my suspension of disbelief.

I also preferred Rapture to Columbia, but that might be a cultural thing, for obvious reasons it's a lot harder for me to "identify" with the more "US-centric" themes of Columbia than it would be for someone from the US.

Still, it was a good game IMO, just not the "Holy shit god walks amongst us" level of awesome that a lot of people seemed to think.

 

[Evan E]

BFG10K[/url]":30tg4wuq]I think they should’ve added a “true” ending where Booker and Elizabeth finally reach Paris instead of the ambiguous post-credits scene where we’re not really sure if Anna’s alive or not.

No offense, but I'd hate that; that ending would honestly switch me from a thumbs-up to a thumbs-down. It'd be like the Victorian productions of Romeo & Juliet where they tacked on a happy ending.

 

[vishnu]

Sunner[/url]":10di25io]Still, it was a good game IMO, just not the "Holy shit god walks amongst us" level of awesome that a lot of people seemed to think.

I was responding to BFG10K, who was comparing the game to Rage. Clearly the world building, story, and characters are far superior to Rage - and IMHO the mechanics aren't really much worse anyway.

 

[Sunner]

vishnu[/url]":d49bwf0f]

Sunner[/url]":d49bwf0f]Still, it was a good game IMO, just not the "Holy shit god walks amongst us" level of awesome that a lot of people seemed to think.

I was responding to BFG10K, who was comparing the game to Rage. Clearly the world building, story, and characters are far superior to Rage - and IMHO the mechanics aren't really much worse anyway.

Well yeah that was more of a general reflection since it accumulated more than a few perfect scores and an enormous hype, not meant to imply that you have an altar at home where you spend your evenings worshiping Ken Levine.

 

[Sparkfizt]

*quietly closes the closet doors to his Ken Levine altar* ¬_¬

 

[Kia]

Game keeps on crashing on me, hoping you guys might know how to fix it. I've just rescued Elizabeth and am about to buy a ticket for the airship. The ticket seller acts mysterious and then I either attack him or he attacks me. Then the game crashes to the desktop.

No over-clocking of any kind. Windows 8 pro. Geoforce 670.

 

[Sparkfizt]

Kia[/url]":2s79aimo]Game keeps on crashing on me, hoping you guys might know how to fix it. I've just rescued Elizabeth and am about to buy a ticket for the airship. The ticket seller acts mysterious and then I either attack him or he attacks me. Then the game crashes to the desktop.

No over-clocking of any kind. Windows 8 pro. Geoforce 670.

Try re-verifying game data in steam? May have a corrupt file.

 

[Kia]

That did it, Thanks!

 

[aC]

First 5 minutes of Bioshock: Infinite: Episode One: Burial at Sea

Couldn't help myself with the colons

 

[Genome]

Rapture looks glorious.

 

[orionquest]

Hey gang

Just finished it. Was on my backlog for awhile.

Interesting game, did feel like a interactive movie and a well scripted, and visually presented one at that. I didn't find there to be anything really un enjoyable. But I doubt I see myself returning for another play through.

What I liked most. Elizabeth was a great partner. I wish all games with companions/followers worked like her. Visuals were nice and well put together. But the world felt empty from mid to end. There could have some more visual differences between areas as I contentiously got lost. Either because I felt I was backtracking when I wasn't, and just spun myself around.

The combat was meh. But didn't detract from the game much. I just found I couldn't reliably tell where the attack was coming from, even with the red half circle arrow, things just blended together for me. By dumb luck on the final battle I found out you had a vigor control wheel to select another vigor. I was looking for this the entire game. Mostly going to the inventory/overview menu which in itself was pretty useless. Also in this menu, which was confusing, was what appeared to be a way to upgrade weapons and other items, but no clear method on how. Maybe I missed some mini tutorial at the start. Besides that I did like the idea of opening tears, and having Elizabeth give you stuff when needed and seeing how your enemy slowly degraded.

oq

 

[DrPizza]

Am I alone in thinking it's a bit _meh_ to be going to Rapture? They come up with this whole new and environment and then... decide fuck it, let's go back to the old place.

 

[HexRei]

DrPizza[/url]":sifhxiyc]Am I alone in thinking it's a bit _meh_ to be going to Rapture? They come up with this whole new and environment and then... decide fuck it, let's go back to the old place.

Did you watch the video? I think it looks pretty cool.

 

[MixMasterP]

DrPizza[/url]":2ckt98dx]Am I alone in thinking it's a bit _meh_ to be going to Rapture? They come up with this whole new and environment and then... decide fuck it, let's go back to the old place.

Well, it seemed to make sense to continue Booker's story forwards instead of going backward. Rapture in the 50's is at least a cool environment to see (before it all went to hell, which Columbia never really seemed like until the end).

Also, going to Columbia before Booker goes to Columbia seems very "Back to the Future"-ish.

 

[Witecat]

hatfarm[/url]":cvg1rwln]Just finished it today. Really, really enjoyed it. I had questions, but you guys answered most of them here.
I do have a couple minor questions, is the baptism the time when Booker decides to go down the Comstock or Booker route? Is that why he would need to be killed at that point?

Yes. This is the point where Booker was forced to make a decision on his future. I personally think that the split occured with how Booker chose to deal with his sins. If he accepted the baptism, he would view it as washing away his sins. The other was to turn and run away from that potential salvation.

I didn't get all of the voxophones, so maybe this is answered in one of them, but what makes Booker turn into Comstock? Was it the war that just made him go insane?

We never get any explicit reason for Booker's newfound religous zealotry through the Voxophones. It seems to me that after his babtism, Booker became Comstock and railed against anything that was concidered sinful. The irony is quite simple here to see because he was in reality running away from his own sins. Comstock never accepted that he was responsible for what happened at Wounded Knee and wanted to have that responsibility removed so he could place the blame on everyone else. He may have went into the preacher business, but he still was the same violent man that wanted to destroy everthing that reminded him of his own failings. When Booker chose not to be baptized, it was him recognizing that he WAS a sinful man and going for the baptism was a crock in his eyes. He decided to accept his regret and self loathing and turn away. He fell into drink and gambling, but at least he was not lying to himself.

Also, when Booker died in the Vox revolution as a part of the revolution, was that a different dimensions' Booker? Since he would have also been the Comstock. I guess it makes sense since we know that the Luteces had several different Bookers try before getting to this one.

Yes it was. It was a Booker that immediately got hooked up with Vox Populi and became their greatest champion. When that Booker died, it was what galvinized them and created a symbol that they could rally behind. This caused the revolution to become a little Axe Crazy and start rampaging all over Columbia.

Also, a couple pages back vishnu had a problem with Daisy Fitzroy all of a sudden becoming evil. I thought the point was that in the dimension you come from, she's not as psychotic and the revolution isn't as successful. However, in order to save Chen, you guys switch dimensions and Chen is alive, but Daisy is more psychotic and the revolution is more successful. Since you need to be in this dimension, Daisy continues to be a psycho, but this means that she can completely change her demeanor. Yes, it's a big change, but so is a dude going from dead to alive.

The big reason here I think is that Daisy got drunk off the success of the revolution. If you were listening to the Voxophones that she made, you can gather that she had a terrible time of it with the Comstocks. When she was falsly accused of killing Lady Comstock, it drove her into a rage. She wanted to get revenge on Comstock, not for idiological reasons, but for personal ones. She just happened to find a lot of like minded individuals that were being trampled underfoot and started the revolution. I have a feeling that if the Daisy you met in the original reality you were in would have recieved those guns, the result most likely would have been the same, especially how she "negotiated" with Booker on the airship. There was a lot of pent up rage against the system that kept them down and much blood would have been spilled no matter if you got them the gusn or not.

 

[Shiimiish]

Ok guys, I need a short clue:
How do I figure out on how to navigate the skyrail? I am about 1h into the game and doing the skyrail hopping for the first time. Somehow I always end up at the place I started and couldn't figure out how to keep oriented and going into the right direction. The game tells me "to go to a high place and use the skyrail" but once I am on the roller coaster I do not see a clue to which direction I should roll and where I should hop to the next rails.
If on floor the game will show you a very obvious arrow to direct you, but on rails I am missing this clue.
Keeping myself oriented in games is something I am really bad at, I am one of the people that need mission markers, arrows and big glowing objects in order to not get lost

 

[M4EOzzy]

HexRei[/url]":15wcqesk]

BFG10K[/url]":15wcqesk]Aside from the vehicle combat, Rage was the inferior product imo. In fact its graphics were most of the positive I had to say about it, it was quite thin outside of the combat and visual appeal. I can't really think of a plot point or character that mattered to me the whole time through.

The character building in BS:I is clearly superior than in RAGE, but I'd take the combat in RAGE any day over BS:I. The weapons were far more enjoyable, had more heft, the boomerang was a ton of fun, and it was really enjoyable crafting turrets and spiders to fight off waves of enemies. Comabt in BS:I was an exercise in tedium, pretty much every time, espeically when Handymen came into it. By the end though, it was mostly a joke, Chain shock an enemy, kill him, shock spreads, kill him, shock spreads, kill him, etc. So long as they were standard-ish enemies, they died easily.

vishnu[/url]":15wcqesk]There are a variety of mechanical shortcomings to infinite, all of which are easily forgiven because of the superior world building, storytelling, and character development.

For me, not so easily. It took a serious effort on my part to continue playing the game to get through the story due to how much I disliked the gameplay. None of the fun little mechanics from previous Bioshock games were present. The little nickleodeon movies all over added little and only served to break the pacing. Also, as a world, I found Columbia wholly uninteresting. City in the sky, sure, that's cool, but in terms of actual creation of environments, I found them very drab. Very little interaction, not very interesting to look at, poorly layed out (especially in terms of combat environments). I skipped almost all of the "side quests" as the back tracking through said drab environments was not worth the time. Rapture in my opinion did not suffer from any of this (even the back tracking in Rapture felt more rewarding).

DrPizza[/url]":15wcqesk]Am I alone in thinking it's a bit _meh_ to be going to Rapture? They come up with this whole new and environment and then... decide fuck it, let's go back to the old place.

Given my feelings on how much more I enjoyed Rapture over Columbia, I'm okay with this.

 

[Stray Toaster]

Shiimiish[/url]":bf18zpmb]Ok guys, I need a short clue:
How do I figure out on how to navigate the skyrail? I am about 1h into the game and doing the skyrail hopping for the first time. Somehow I always end up at the place I started and couldn't figure out how to keep oriented and going into the right direction. The game tells me "to go to a high place and use the skyrail" but once I am on the roller coaster I do not see a clue to which direction I should roll and where I should hop to the next rails.
If on floor the game will show you a very obvious arrow to direct you, but on rails I am missing this clue.
Keeping myself oriented in games is something I am really bad at, I am one of the people that need mission markers, arrows and big glowing objects in order to not get lost

If memory serves correct, most of the rails are a circuit, so it doesn't really matter which way you go, since its just a big circle anyway. As for hopping rails, if you see one near by hop to it. or if you're about to smash into something on the rail, keep your eyes peeled for another one to jump to.

 

[datownse]

Stray Toaster[/url]":22758m8g]

Shiimiish[/url]":22758m8g]Ok guys, I need a short clue:
How do I figure out on how to navigate the skyrail? I am about 1h into the game and doing the skyrail hopping for the first time. Somehow I always end up at the place I started and couldn't figure out how to keep oriented and going into the right direction. The game tells me "to go to a high place and use the skyrail" but once I am on the roller coaster I do not see a clue to which direction I should roll and where I should hop to the next rails.
If on floor the game will show you a very obvious arrow to direct you, but on rails I am missing this clue.
Keeping myself oriented in games is something I am really bad at, I am one of the people that need mission markers, arrows and big glowing objects in order to not get lost

If memory serves correct, most of the rails are a circuit, so it doesn't really matter which way you go, since its just a big circle anyway. As for hopping rails, if you see one near by hop to it. or if you're about to smash into something on the rail, keep your eyes peeled for another one to jump to.

I remember getting a little disoriented with the skyrail too, although ultimately that became one of my favorite parts of the game - it definitely made combat a little more interesting.

While you are on the rail, you can still press the same "guide" button that shows you the glowy arrow, and it will at least let you know if you're going the right direction on the rails.

 

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M4EOzzy[/url]":5hk1lxvv]

HexRei[/url]":5hk1lxvv]

BFG10K[/url]":5hk1lxvv]Aside from the vehicle combat, Rage was the inferior product imo. In fact its graphics were most of the positive I had to say about it, it was quite thin outside of the combat and visual appeal. I can't really think of a plot point or character that mattered to me the whole time through.

The character building in BS:I is clearly superior than in RAGE, but I'd take the combat in RAGE any day over BS:I. The weapons were far more enjoyable, had more heft, the boomerang was a ton of fun, and it was really enjoyable crafting turrets and spiders to fight off waves of enemies. Comabt in BS:I was an exercise in tedium, pretty much every time, espeically when Handymen came into it. By the end though, it was mostly a joke, Chain shock an enemy, kill him, shock spreads, kill him, shock spreads, kill him, etc. So long as they were standard-ish enemies, they died easily.

vishnu[/url]":5hk1lxvv]There are a variety of mechanical shortcomings to infinite, all of which are easily forgiven because of the superior world building, storytelling, and character development.

For me, not so easily. It took a serious effort on my part to continue playing the game to get through the story due to how much I disliked the gameplay. None of the fun little mechanics from previous Bioshock games were present. The little nickleodeon movies all over added little and only served to break the pacing. Also, as a world, I found Columbia wholly uninteresting. City in the sky, sure, that's cool, but in terms of actual creation of environments, I found them very drab. Very little interaction, not very interesting to look at, poorly layed out (especially in terms of combat environments). I skipped almost all of the "side quests" as the back tracking through said drab environments was not worth the time. Rapture in my opinion did not suffer from any of this (even the back tracking in Rapture felt more rewarding).

DrPizza[/url]":5hk1lxvv]Am I alone in thinking it's a bit _meh_ to be going to Rapture? They come up with this whole new and environment and then... decide fuck it, let's go back to the old place.

Given my feelings on how much more I enjoyed Rapture over Columbia, I'm okay with this.

I'd just like to say that the quoting somehow got screwed up here, I didn't say that stuff. I said the part that is attributed to BFG10K.