Bill Gates talks polio, WinFS, and cheeseburgers in Reddit interview

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RobDickinson":16594b1b said:
"programming languages fundamentally haven't made programming any simpler"

We can make MVVM apps with stateless web clients and easy asynchronous method calls with a few clicks and lines of code. How is that not simpler?

I believe he's speaking more to the actual code you type, not how that code can be leveraged.
 
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RobDickinson":dqzq7ogf said:
"programming languages fundamentally haven't made programming any simpler"

We can make MVVM apps with stateless web clients and easy asynchronous method calls with a few clicks and lines of code. How is that not simpler?
Well, for one thing, the main framework for coding (websites) requires you to understand not one, not two, not three, but four languages.

HTML, JavaScript, PHP (or any serverside language), and CSS at a minimum to do what's expected of common websites.

I do this stuff every day at work, and I'm fine with it, but it's pretty easy to look back and see how ridiculous it all is to newcomers, so I'm kind of on Gates' side there.

Just having an IDE with IntelliSense that helps you figure out what can go where was a major boon to me as an experimental, just-starting programmer, and I'm amazed how infrequently that's featured. I'm very glad things like Visual Basic still exist - I'd recommend Python to all beginners if I had found an effective IDE for it. Being able to do simple stuff in a few short, easily-readable lines is the key to getting people interested.
 
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I think the world could use a few more billionaires like Bill Gates. What he and his wife have done with their foundation is good karma indeed.

However the other guy who never gave a dime to charity or paid a dividend to his shareholders and sued everyone in sight to keep his profits running, someone even his closest friends acknowledge was a bully and enjoyed reducing his employees to tears, that's the guy who is idolized. What a sorry state of affairs.
 
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WaveRunner":3up8wzoj said:
RobDickinson":3up8wzoj said:
"programming languages fundamentally haven't made programming any simpler"

We can make MVVM apps with stateless web clients and easy asynchronous method calls with a few clicks and lines of code. How is that not simpler?

Which framework is this?

MVVM light , C# and silverlight. Silverlight probably isnt the best tool to use now but it works..
 
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Whatever one thinks of Bill Gates personally or as a business man, one has to be impressed with his charitable work. $28 billion and counting. That is some serious coin and an incredible gesture of generosity.

Interesting that you can count that high. I lack the practice but I'm willing to learn.
All you need is a 25 bit adder.
 
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tipoo":3og4zd4o said:
I love his verification photo, and note the reddit alien in the background, I suspect he was a redditor before doing this

http://i.imgur.com/vlMjEgF.jpg


Holy Moly! The harsh African sunny weather has done a ton of damage on his skin. On the other hand his eyes look vibrant and so full of life.

Also, does everyone notices the fingers on his right hand have neatly trimmed nails but the ones on the left hand aren't?
 
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jb226":2o272kp4 said:
Whatever one thinks of Bill Gates personally or as a business man, one has to be impressed with his charitable work. $28 billion and counting. That is some serious coin and an incredible gesture of generosity.

Looking through the comments it seems there was a lot of love for him going around. Quite a difference from the serious hate that was stoked in some quarters back in the 90s (getting booed at Macworld 97 was the least of it). I've always felt an admiration for him that I rarely feel for entrepreneurs, maybe because back-in-the-day he really was a pretty hot programmer (one of the comments mentioned his pancake-sorting algorithm that remained the most efficeint method for 30 years).

Obviously, his post-Microsoft philanthropy puts him in another class entirely, but again, what's most impressive is his dedication to making sure his money is getting things done. It's not just 'I'll give you a load of cash so I can feel good about myself', he's investing a lot of time and energy into making things happen.
 
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Sixclaws":2leao121 said:
tipoo":2leao121 said:
I love his verification photo, and note the reddit alien in the background, I suspect he was a redditor before doing this

http://i.imgur.com/vlMjEgF.jpg


Holy Moly! The harsh African sunny weather has done a ton of damage on his skin. On the other hand his eyes look vibrant and so full of life.

Also, does everyone notices the fingers on his right hand have neatly trimmed nails but the ones on the left hand aren't?

It made me thank of a guitar players' hands. So I looked it up and Bill Gates is left handed, which matches his manicuring habits.

Could it be he's taken up playing the guitar?
 
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zonnked":3eror2uq said:
Sixclaws":3eror2uq said:
tipoo":3eror2uq said:
I love his verification photo, and note the reddit alien in the background, I suspect he was a redditor before doing this

http://i.imgur.com/vlMjEgF.jpg


Holy Moly! The harsh African sunny weather has done a ton of damage on his skin. On the other hand his eyes look vibrant and so full of life.

Also, does everyone notices the fingers on his right hand have neatly trimmed nails but the ones on the left hand aren't?

It made me thank of a guitar players' hands. So I looked it up and Bill Gates is left handed, which matches his manicuring habits.

Could it be he's taken up playing the guitar?

I don't think I could play with nails that short on either hand myself.

However, I do have longer nails on my left hand and I play right handed. (Ambidextrous - so often i do variously things with one or the other hands.)
 
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Higher is better, under the hood. Good save Bill. I don't know about the whole liking it. I'm skipping win 8. He is a bad ass for all the charity he is doing... and he most definitively gives better discounts than apple for students. $10 dollars for office 2010 professional plus was just something too hard to pass.
 
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inpher":2yvtt1ig said:
Taantric":2yvtt1ig said:
I think the world could use a few more billionaires like Bill Gates. What he and his wife have done with their foundation is good karma indeed.

However the other guy who never gave a dime to charity or paid a dividend to his shareholders and sued everyone in sight to keep his profits running, someone even his closest friends acknowledge was a bully and enjoyed reducing his employees to tears, that's the guy who is idolized. What a sorry state of affairs.
That other guy who never disclosed any charitable donations and whose wife worked full time in charity?

Jobs sure as hell isn't likeable in some situations, but Bill didn't begin to go big-time into charity before he left MS, and Jobs still worked into his death. There is no way we can tell for sure that he would not have done like Gates. Especially with his wife being such an active supporter of multiple charities.
I'm pretty sure if Jobs had given 28 BILLION dollars to charity, someone would have known, anonymous or not. It's not the kind of figures you can just shuffle around without anyone noticing.

In any case, charity isn't a competition, and not donating to charity doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. The point remains, though, that Jobs got a lot of worship and Gates a lot of derision, and objectively I think Gates is probably a better and more decent human being. Not for his charity work, but for his personality.

Jobs did incredibly things with consumer electronics, and he did have a huge impact, but he was also an incredible asshole.

L.
 
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Re: WinFS:

In a networked world, how is it useful for an OS to structure document-related data in a proprietary way that is unsupported by other OSes?

I have the same complaint when people rave about the meta-data support in BeOS. You can manage your mp3 collection beautifully with all that meta-data. But if that data cannot be manipulated in a standardized way along with the file (including the ability to transfer that data along with the file and have a recipient's system be able to make use of that data), then you don't have anything that is useful in a big-picture way.

Imagine if EXIF data for images were stored at the FS-level. Is that really more useful than having it part of the standard document format? Right now, document-embedded EXIF data means that you don't need all possible OSes that would handle the file to have compatible meta-data layers in order for the data to be transferred to and usable on different systems. If such data were stored in FS-level structures, every OS that touches the file would have to be meta-data-aware or the data wouldn't just be useless, it would be lost. Remember, a photo starts on a camera device and may variously end up passing through Android, iOS, Windows, Linux with various FSes, Mac OS X, Google's proprietary FS, etc.

And once you decide (like most users will) that you don't want to create your own custom system for tagging your mp3s, you will choose an app that will manage that process. And then as a user you don't really care what the underlying process is for storing that data, except that you'd like many of the fields to transfer over if you send a file to a buddy. Which is really an argument for embedding document-type-specific meta-data directly into the document format, rather than relying on OS meta-data support.
 
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Lestat":1o75kujj said:
inpher":1o75kujj said:
Taantric":1o75kujj said:
I think the world could use a few more billionaires like Bill Gates. What he and his wife have done with their foundation is good karma indeed.

However the other guy who never gave a dime to charity or paid a dividend to his shareholders and sued everyone in sight to keep his profits running, someone even his closest friends acknowledge was a bully and enjoyed reducing his employees to tears, that's the guy who is idolized. What a sorry state of affairs.
That other guy who never disclosed any charitable donations and whose wife worked full time in charity?

Jobs sure as hell isn't likeable in some situations, but Bill didn't begin to go big-time into charity before he left MS, and Jobs still worked into his death. There is no way we can tell for sure that he would not have done like Gates. Especially with his wife being such an active supporter of multiple charities.
I'm pretty sure if Jobs had given 28 BILLION dollars to charity, someone would have known, anonymous or not. It's not the kind of figures you can just shuffle around without anyone noticing.

In any case, charity isn't a competition, and not donating to charity doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. The point remains, though, that Jobs got a lot of worship and Gates a lot of derision, and objectively I think Gates is probably a better and more decent human being. Not for his charity work, but for his personality.

Jobs did incredibly things with consumer electronics, and he did have a huge impact, but he was also an incredible asshole.

L.

We are in agreement that Jobs was a great a-hole on occasion. But Gates didn't give anything to charity until he stepped down from his position at Microsoft — and that was my point — that because Jobs' wife left her career to pursue charities while he worked that very likely meant that he liked or possibly fully supported it and that therefore he would have done the same the day he stepped down from Apple. But unfortunately his bull-headededness got the best of him while having cancer (a period in which he actually donated to charities and even sponsored some.
 
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