Biden reveals lackluster new EV policy, no plans to phase out gasoline

Golgo1

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What about the other half? We just need to tax gas more. Add $0.10/gallon every year and put it directly into public transit.

General rule: If your solution includes the phrase "we just need to" then it's probably not a very good solution.
(Also "It's simple" )

I definitely agree an increase in gas price is needed, but it's one of many things needed to move people away from fossil.

We need much more than 'just' that
 
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If America still isn't entirely sold on the dangers of climate chage, I really can't imagine what it would take to win people round. I'm a big believer in compromise but the there's no compromising with the apocalypse. You might think people would have learned that from the pandemic. I guess learning's not as popular as it used to be.
 
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Dan Homerick

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Federal will always lag states, for lots of reasons. We can't reasonably expect Federal limits on new ICE sales until a significant number of states have already implemented such limits, where I would put significant as states having more than 50% of the total population.

Democracies are terrible slow to act, especially on things where there is strong disagreement amongst voters.

As I reminder, I will once again be running for the position of Emperor For Life in the 2022 elections. Thank you for your votes.
 
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If America still isn't entirely sold on the dangers of climate chage, I really can't imagine what it would take to win people round. I'm a big believer in compromise but the there's no compromising with the apocalypse. You might think people would have learned that from the pandemic. I guess learning's not as popular as it used to be.


I guess there's only so much you can do when half of your nation believes that learning new information is an infringement on their "personal freedom" and prefers to ignore any knowledge acquired by humanity beyond 1920.
 
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graylshaped

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If America still isn't entirely sold on the dangers of climate chage, I really can't imagine what it would take to win people round. I'm a big believer in compromise but the there's no compromising with the apocalypse. You might think people would have learned that from the pandemic. I guess learning's not as popular as it used to be.


I guess there's only so much you can do when half of your nation believes that learning new information is an infringement on their "personal freedom" and prefers to ignore any knowledge acquired by humanity beyond 1920.

It's actually 35-40%, but I get your drift.
 
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Dan Homerick

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Classic Democrats. Doing barely enough to say, "We tried," but nothing that actually risks challenging their donors.
I'm pretty curious to see a real political analysis of why he chose the specific policies he did. I think there's bound to be a lot more to it than just donor pressure, but I'm not politically savvy enough to tease out the threads of influence.
 
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ChadD

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More proof that you guys need a third party. The one party you folks have doesn't do a whole lot of leading. Plenty of corporate palm greasing but not much leading.

I can't think of another democratic first world nation that doesn't have at least three parties... the third party doesn't need to win just hold enough power to exert pressure on the big issues. All the justice dems and tea party movements trying to change the corp held parties for either leanings tastes don't seem to have moved much of anything.

Anyway sorry as a Canadian I apologize for even posting on the subject. On this score I hope consumer habits will push change in the direction required.
 
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waasoo

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Federal will always lag states, for lots of reasons. We can't reasonably expect Federal limits on new ICE sales until a significant number of states have already implemented such limits, where I would put significant as states having more than 50% of the total population.

Democracies are terrible slow to act, especially on things where there is strong disagreement amongst voters.

As I reminder, I will once again be running for the position of Emperor For Life in the 2022 elections. Thank you for your votes.

This! You see the response to the COVID vaccines and the US is split along state lines when it comes to things that impact people’s lives today (not some nebulous far off time when Miami could be flooded). No way an aggressive federal plan gets off the ground given the politics of 2020. States will lead the way, costs will drop and convenience will take over. Just like LED bulbs are now the most prevalent form of lighting.
 
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Politicians always try to play the game of "make myself look good to the public while keeping my donors happy". This is probably why it's "half"... to keep the donors at Legacy Auto happy.

That's okay though... HALF is good enough. It'll force Legacy Auto to start cranking out EVs, the masses will learn how much better EVs are, and we'll hit critical mass in no time.
 
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Classic Democrats. Doing barely enough to say, "We tried," but nothing that actually risks challenging their donors.

In other countries, the Democratic party wouldn't be a single party either. Unfortunately, the right wing faction of the party has managed to keep the majority of people convinced they are better than the left-wing / center left faction, thus keeping power while simultaneously moving the Overton window further right and thus making full fledged authoritarians of the other party seem more normal.
 
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LordEOD

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The ultra wealthy tend not to be the secluded, prepper types - their visibility and social networks are part of their wealth game (for most of them and for the most part).

So when even the most prolific socialites are busy spending millions on secluded, fortified shelter style bunkers and underground luxury homes with self-sustaining features - that should be a signal to everyone else what direction they expect things to be going towards.

All the folks still profiting from the destruction of our so-far comfortable habitats are not planning on how to slow or stop it, they are planning on how to continue living and profiting after the inevitable catastrophe.
 
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Snark218

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Yet another version of "perfect is the enemy of better."

Let's make progress. There is no magic button in today's political environment. Take advancement, accept it, tack it down with three points of stability, and move upward and onward.

I've been saying for years that every new vehicle for sale in the US should be required by DOT to be a hybrid, with a rebate (not a tax credit!) available for cars under $25k. I like and want and support pure BEVs, but I feel like policy has gotten target-locked on those when we could be slashing transportation emissions off the board with hybrid mandates. There's many ways now to implement hybridization affordably and without affecting performance, capability, and drivability.
 
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Classic Democrats. Doing barely enough to say, "We tried," but nothing that actually risks challenging their donors.

And every time a real left-wing fighter (like Bernie) comes up for election they get shit on around here and those that tout them are downvoted into hidden status.
 
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waasoo

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I try my best to stay out of American politics. I do try.
More proof that you guys need a third party. The one party you folks have doesn't do a whole lot of leading. Plenty of corporate palm greasing but not much leading.

I can't think of another democratic first world nation that doesn't have at least three parties... the third party doesn't need to win just hold enough power to exert pressure on the big issues. All the justice dems and tea party movements trying to change the corp held parties for either leanings tastes don't seem to have moved much of anything.

Anyway sorry as a Canadian I apologize for even posting on the subject. On this score I hope consumer habits will push change in the direction required.

Talking of Canada, the Liberals are practically the US Democrats and NDP hasn’t really rocked the boat even though they had leverage after the last elections. It looks like Trudeau is going to win a majority in the fall and it will be back to practically 2 party
 
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What about the other half? We just need to tax gas more. Add $0.10/gallon every year and put it directly into public transit.

I.e., extract even more money from workers, so that Democrats rightly never get elected again and we truly enter into an accelerationist future. I mean that's one approach.
 
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What about the other half? We just need to tax gas more. Add $0.10/gallon every year and put it directly into public transit.

Gas taxes are undeniably the right thing to do, but they're tricky to pull off.
- How do you not lose the midterms, because new taxes are unpopular with half the voters.
- How do you manage inflation related to this with increased transportation costs for goods and services. In an already murky but looking difficult inflationary environment.

Since they're already printing money for fun, I was hoping new subsidies and better regulation (>17% in 5 years) would've been possible. But this shows why the Democrats are only a marginal improvement overall. Better than Republicans in most areas, worse in some, but overall beholden to the same overlords (election fundraising).
 
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