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Apple says its AI is still private, even when it’s running on Google’s servers
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1.5 decades after soldergate, interesting to see Apple and Nvidia announce each other, what a day to be alive. Apple more quietly through more dev focused documentation, of course, rather than the main keynote.
View: https://x.com/nvidia/status/2064100362752294992?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
View: https://x.com/nvidia/status/2064100362752294992?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Apple could have made bank focusing on selling more Mac Studios etc…
Aka the shovels.
Aka the shovels.
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I mean I asked Jack The Ripper if he did those murders. He said he didn't--and he should know, he was there!.
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Is Nvidia going to butt in on every ai announcement now?
This companies ai runs on our gpu's?
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Well, yes. Did you see all the Jensen signature graffiti all over Computex whenever something used Nvidia and AI?
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For our privacy and our security, we are putting our faith into multiple multi-trillion dollar companies run by our billionaire overlords. I can’t be the only one who feels really uneasy about that!
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"Private cloud" is a contradiction in terms. I'm being a bit harsh here, since it's possible to secure your online data at least as far as you're willing to trust the company you're storing that data with, but if there's information you truly want to keep to yourself, nothing beats a locally held copy. Your OWN security may fail, but at least you don't need to trust a CEO at their word.
That said, it's still a good idea to keep an off-site backup of SOME manner, but if privacy is more important than redundancy, there you go.
That said, it's still a good idea to keep an off-site backup of SOME manner, but if privacy is more important than redundancy, there you go.
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Was there more detail anywhere on the agentic inquiry frequency limits? I heard it mentioned and noted Cloud+ subscribers would be allowed "more" inquiries per day but I heard no quantitative details.
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The historical activities of one of these participants in regards to privacy and data mining worries me.
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While I think it's actually important and valuable that Apple even feels the need (and sees the money) in making this a point they'll tout, and any effort is a lot better than nothing, I can't help but reflect that
- Apple is not giving anyone the ability to link up with their own self-hosted models either (same as they don't offer the ability to replace iCloud when it comes to device backups on iDevices). They may care up to the edge of maintaining their monopoly control and ability to rent extract, but there's a clear limit here.
- Anything physically not hosted on your own stuff is, if nothing else, subject to things like government pressure or changing management over time. And we know this has happened, regularly, for a long time (PRISM and so on), worldwide with some places better than others. Apple doesn't necessarily have to have a single iota of bad intent, but by making themselves a single point of failure they're introducing incentives and failure modes that wouldn't otherwise exist.
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Thankfully it’s all fully auditable.
I don’t like it anymore than you, but at least they’ve got a reasonable track record when it comes to building and respecting user privacy.
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Is this the equivalent of Tommy Boy "We don't need to show we have a written guarantee when our name is good enough!"?
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No thank you Apple. Still not interested in you "AI" — or any generic AI, for that matter.
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Only one half of them have that track record. It's akin to a partnership between Shlage and the wet bandits. It ain't shlage I'm worried about.
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It might even be true, but nothing they've shown is worth the risk factor to me. I'll just pass on this feature, thanks.
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Well, I’m not switching to an Android phone, or whatever that fanboy Graphene thing is.
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Trying to turn "yankee" into a general insult for the U.S. seems to have been about as effective as trying to turn "cracker" into an insult for white people. That privileged class will just look at each other, shrug, and laugh it off as cute.
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Just curious:
How would you go on about implementing a third party iCloud replacement backup system on iOS?
First of all, backups and restore are incredibly delicate to get right so that you don't end up corrupting something during restore.
Secondly, would you be happy allowing a third party background agent basically what is full root access to your iOS/iPadOS device filesystem and then send all that to a cloud service somewhere?
Finally, iCloud is not just for backups. It's also the backend storage for stuff like Swift/CoreData and so on. Dropping in a reliable (no corruption etc.) third party replacement would be incredibly difficult if it happened in the device side.
Apple would get all the blame when it would not work, or it would drain your battery, or whatever.
The only reasonable way to implement this would be so that Apple licenses their backend technology to someone who then hosts it. Basically only the host address would change and device software would be completely unmodified, apart from a choice screen which service to use.
On a Mac it's a little bit different as the whole system is built differently. But even on a Mac I'd be hesitant to use a third party service. I have an external SSD + iCloud Drive.
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And still (or now because of partnership) I have absolutely no interest in turning on Siri or Apple Intelligence.
If 27's fixes to various embedded products are totally reliant on either Siri or AI, there will be little impetus for me to do 'update'.
If 27's fixes to various embedded products are totally reliant on either Siri or AI, there will be little impetus for me to do 'update'.
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Is this the business definition of private where it's private from everyone except for all the authorized internal and 3rd party departments who needs the data to do their job, like marketing and the government?
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Trying to imagine a reality where Google would violate privacy-related contractual terms set by Apple thereby forfeiting what is almost certainly a multi year, multibillion dollar Gemini deal.
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Well hell's bells! That'd be hilarious if it wasn't so frightening. I have known plenty of white guys who treated "racist" as their personal n-word, but hadn't yet run into the kind who takes "cracker" seriously. I suppose racism too has it's own regional dialects!
All the same, in the U.S. if you call a lot of people a "yank" you tend to get little more than a shrug or bewilderment, that's especially true considering here it is, or was, a regional insult anyway, specifically towards New Yorkers or the New England region in general. You try to call a Texan a yank you'll either get a hearty guffaw or someone angrily asking "Do I look like some northern city boooyy to you?"
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It's less about the word than it is about them feeling like they've been disrespected by someone they consider below them, imo. That someone would have the audacity to say something back.
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The thing I hate most about the Internet is that people like you get a platform to spout your hateful garbage.
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You could always just go on the very same Internet you apparently already have access to and read about how Apple‘s private cloud compute works
Nobody’s gonna be looking at anything in transit.
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Dear Apple, I don't want your AI. I'm looking at your share price today and I think I'm not alone.
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Now that's the truth, isn't it? Even saying "Sir" or "ma'am" in a rude TONE is enough to set a lot of those types off.
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Apple has repeatedly stated that the entire thing is open to third party auditing. Does that assuage your concerns, since it's going a lot further than a pinky promise from a CEO?
Apple's stock price drops almost every time there's a keynote or event. It's been like that for years. To try to read into that is a fool's errand.
It wasn't a "gold statue." It was a stupid little piece of glass from an existing source, with Tim Cook masterfully playing that orange idiot with a "commitment" to manufacture their glass in the US (which was already happening at Corning) so that Trump could feel better about himself and ease off on the tariffs and feel like he accomplished something. All he did was play the hand he was dealt while waiting a highly-likely midterm bloodbath. Calm down. Not everything has to be an exercise in overtly performative outrage, especially when you are responsible for the employment of hundreds of thousands of people.
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