Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

Apple deterred US citizens from positions open to foreign workers, DOJ found.

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[Quisquis]

These people have generally been on the payroll for multiple years and are getting their green cards - it’s how you become a US citizen.

But you want to disincentivize a path to legal citizenship for them. Why?

Because this specific path disincentivizes companies from working with the domestic labor force.

 

[Quisquis]

In what way?

The usual way?

PERM is the first step to permanent residence, which means they were on a temporary visa up to that point, and the temporary work visas, like h1-b, disincentivize working with the domestic labor force...

The entire reason for this suit is that Apple wasn't opening up these opportunities to citizens... instead they handpicked people from a foreign workforce, trained them up, and then handed them green cards.

 

[Quisquis]

Shouldn't companies be allowed to hire whomever they want as long as they not hiring illegal immigrants?

As long as "whomever they want" is "best American (or refugee I think) for the job, and failing an adequate candidate amongst that hundreds of millions strong population, an international version of same", yes.

Edit: Weird downvotes for advocating hiring the best person for the job... That's literally the law (ie, can't refuse to hire based on innate characteristics).

 

[Quisquis]

Wow, so much wrong with this.

Literally you.

Do you have any evidence that workers on visas “disincentivize working with the domestic labor force”? You know repeatedly posting the same thing doesn’t make it true.

It's widely known:

https://www.epi.org/blog/tech-and-o...-in-2022-and-laid-off-at-least-85000-workers/

Also, there wasn’t a suit. There were allegations that were settled.

Are you for real?

This isn't a win on anything that matters...

"The entire reason for the settlement..."

Better?

And just so you are aware, Apple isn’t a govt entity and doesn’t hand out green cards.

Again, you're being absurd. No one's alleging that Apple is issuing them, and your attempt to win internet points on this is childish and intellectually dishonest.

You’re zero for four so far.

You didn't even bring up 4 things lol

 

[Quisquis]

To be clear… this applied to existing employees, who had already been through a full, open, recruitment process. This wasn’t for new hires but supporting evidence for PERM applications to show that Apple had been unable to fill the role with a US employee. Basically, it’s supplementary material to support the earlier hiring decision.

I mean, this is just wrong...

 

[Quisquis]

It shouldn't have been downvoted, IMO, but that's not how the law works. The law says you must hire any American who meets the qualifications in the job description. The only exception is for university professors - universities are in fact allowed to hire the best candidate, even if there are other applicants.

That's what I meant by "adequate candidate", but thanks for that bit about universities... I had no idea they had special rules

 

[Quisquis]

I wholeheartedly agree the US needs a new immigration system that lets companies hire the talent they truly need, but where is the proof that the H1B program is keeping tech salaries down in the US? The US has some of the highest-paid and highest average-paid software engineers in the world - that is why everyone wants to work in Silicon Valley. I get there are specific cases where software teams have been replaced by foreigners, whether they be immigrants to the US or outsourced to people living in cheaper foreign countries. However, this has not put a dent in average salaries for software developers in the US over the long run.

I posted it a page ago...

https://www.epi.org/blog/tech-and-o...-in-2022-and-laid-off-at-least-85000-workers/