Apple courting Chinese developers to strengthen iOS in China
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What? Mere hours ago, Peter Bright informed us that Apple isn't counting on strong sales in emerging markets to achieve success.
Who to believe????
Who to believe????
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pusher robot":x7awluj0 said:
China is a strange mix of undeveloped country and wealthy cities. I suspect Apple is aiming at the wealthy city dwellers rather than the rice-paddy class.
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pusher robot":15of1no7 said:
Pundits seldom really know what the hell they're talking about. Their goal is to sell books, consulting services or newsletters.
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Too late, Apple. Microsoft already locked in on Chinese developers years ago while they were still //BUILD/-ing W8 and WP7.
Keep trying, Chris.
Besides the obvious implications of the black market, exactly what mobile devices did Apple have to support before the iPhone? Isn't the iPhone Apple's first mobile device? (assuming that mobile = telecommunication)
If you're going to relate Youtube and Twitter with Chinese counterparts, then you might as well have also done it for Baidu and Google.
Keep trying, Chris.
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Dano40":1fkeiyzj said:
This is what I was thinking. I mean who doesn't expect Chinese iphones to be 99% jaii-broken.
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Dano40":dnh6n7td said:
LIke everyone else, urban Chinese are happy to buy software if it is cheap and convenient.
The iOS App Store is doing well here. Even if you're in the "lower-middle-class" like most urban Chinese (earning US$20-30k per year), you can afford to pay 5 or 6 RMB for an app.
In the countryside (and among migrant workers) it's a different matter, but no company is targeting that demographic.
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Too bad China Mobile official publicly stated this week Apple's greed is not compatible with CM Business Model.... BTW - They have 70% market share.
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Except Google in China will redirect you to the Google.hk portal and is not outright blocked and replaced with a clone. It's why Google still has ad market share in China even though some of its services being hosted directly from the US can be flaky or non-usable without tweaking your hosts file or just using a VPN.fobsquad":8wm9qk5t said:
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fobsquad":cds8riot said:
You're kidding, right? Microsoft locked in developers? How exactly did they do that? And on Win Phone 7+, which almost no one bought, and now Win 8, which just came out?
You'd better think again.
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Marlor":2573jgeh said:
I'm not sure about what region in China you're talking, but where I live (north east China) 20-30k USD is much more than "lower-middle-class" income. To give you an example a software engineer with University degree and a couple of years experience at my company makes about 16k including bonus before taxes. And this is considered a rather good salary, certainly above "lower-middle-class" and I live in a modern, second tier city and not in a rural area.
Nevertheless I agree that the urban middle-upper class is very fond of Apple products and that there is a huge market to be tapped by Apple. From my personal observation (read: anecdotical) every Chinese that can afford a smartphone will have either an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy; that's about all the smartphones I see around here.
And I was surprised to see that the App-store is very well stocked with native Chinese apps already, with the ratio between paid and free apps more or like the same as I was used from Europe. In general iOS goes very well with Chinese.
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fobsquad":14yjhhmd said:
...what? He's just trying to relate the services offered by Chinese companies Baidu, Youku, and Sina Weibo to the same services offered by US companies Google, YouTube (now part of Google), and Twitter.
While Google's chief product is search, they now have their fingers in so many pies - Android, Chrome, and YouTube come to mind - that simply saying a company offers Google's services is ambiguous, since it could mean it only offers one of those services, some of those services, or all of those services.
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fobsquad":wc79gzsa said:
You obviously don't know what you are talking about - most Chinese are still on Windows XP, and could care less about W8 or WP of any flavor. BTW, Baidu is also part of the mix in Apple offerings so not sure what your point is. As to mobile, there were no real smartphones before the iPhone. Period.
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Shiimiish":3k5066tu said:
Beijing. I also spend a lot of time in Harbin.
That is what most qualified workers with a five to ten years of experience make in both cities. A fresh graduate might make US$10-15k, but add in a few years experience, and if you're not earning in excess of RMB100,000, you're doing something wrong. The average entry-level document-shuffler in a provincial department office earns around that, as do most police officers.
Indeed they are. Moreso than even back home in Australia.
The text-entry is still a fair bit behind what is available on the desktop, but it's getting there.
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Marlor":1gsbkaff said:
Well, from my gut feeling I still would say a >100k RMB (> 16k USD) qualifies for better than lower-middle-class, but this is hardly the point
As I mentioned in another thread today the salaries and wages are growing rapidly at least in the field of industry I'm involved with and sooner than later the 20k - 30k will be the norm and not the exception. Even if we assume only 10% of the Chinese have sufficient disposable income to buy consumer electronics right now, this already makes for more than 100mio potential customers. Apple trying to develop their App-store in China as fast as possible does absolutely make sense for me. Given that Google has problems to gain traction in China, I can certainly see that Apple considers China as one of their future core markets. And as everywhere else people like to have a well developed App store with apps in their native language.
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In terms of %, the middle class with income to spend on iOS/Android apps is low.
But in terms of sheer numbers, 10% of 1 billion people is 2x the entire population of Canada.
Also the custom in China is for people to marry and move in with the groom's parents. No rent, no mortgages, no daycare, no retirement homes and not much income taxes. Hence 10K in China is more like 50K in the U.S.
But in terms of sheer numbers, 10% of 1 billion people is 2x the entire population of Canada.
Also the custom in China is for people to marry and move in with the groom's parents. No rent, no mortgages, no daycare, no retirement homes and not much income taxes. Hence 10K in China is more like 50K in the U.S.
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