Anti-vaccine quack hired by RFK Jr. has started work at the health department

donfelipe

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The damage they are doing will take decades to repair. They are doing their best to make sure the USA is "...feeble and friendless..."
I keep hearing this, and I understand where you are coming from, but it can't be repaired. The sickness and death they have and will continue to cause can not be undone. The course of hundreds of millions, perhaps more, is irrevocably changed for the worse if not ended.

It's one thing when someone invades a country and imposes their will by force, or a coup happens outside of legal framework. But this is essentially national suicide by popular vote. Society is being blown up by choice. You can thank your neighbor.
 
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Here's an idea, just release the data, anonymised and encourage the health authorities in the EU, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand to run their own independent analyses. That way Americans can choose who to listen to.
That's the thing though. The data is already publicly accessible, and has been for decades. The accusation Robert F Wormbrain Kennedy Jr is making is that there's missing data that was intentionally removed, when no such thing has happened.
 
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jkb78

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This is part of Project 2025 Slow Genocide initiative. Those that can't afford to live will die. The disinformation is part of the plan to accelerate the process.
The really, really annoying thing with where we are now is that I can’t actually tell if this is sarcasm. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if there was a section in Project 2025 detailing how to “legally” get away with genocide.
 
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GFKBill

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I know that this point is too subtle for either Kennedy or Geier to understand but “examining the data” is about half of what research is.

And if either of them think that the data hasn’t been gone over with a number of fine-toothed combs, trying to find ways to improve existing vaccines and to reduce side effects, then they are even dumber than I thought.

ETA missing think.
Ahh, but they're looking for the missing data. Which they'll no doubt claim to have found, and will be believed by those inclined to do so.

It's all theatre and grift.
 
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forkspoon

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Republicans: government is terrible. Here, let us show you how by making it that way.

This has been their way for decades. That, “the party of personal responsibility”, and “fiscal responsibility”, it’s all an endless parade, one lying sack of shit after another.

But who among us has the time, capacity and motivation to do anything, knowing half the country wouldn’t listen anyway?
 
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Oldnoobguy

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Ahh, but they're looking for the missing data. Which they'll no doubt claim to have found, and will be believed by those inclined to do so.

It's all theatre and grift.
The missing data ... I have visions of these morons going back to Al Capone's vault claiming it's hidden there. These chucklefucks know damn well there's no missing data, the claim is just part of their shameless grift.
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For those of you not old enough to remember the 1980s, there wasn't anything in Al Capone's vault.
 
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Rabid Hungarian

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It really is the middle ages all over again. Makes me wonder how many of the rumors of beasts in the forest and the need for churches to keep people safe were just perpetrated by the "nobles".
Soon bloodletting to allow “bad humors” to escape one’s body will return as a part of official policy.
 
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jtwrenn

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Soon bloodletting to allow “bad humors” to escape one’s body will return as a part of official policy.
The wildest thing about RFK's thoughts on that is he doesn't even know the wrong thing he believes. There are kind of 3 major western theories. Germ theory which is real and accurate. Miasma theory, which is bad vapors and tied to weird things like blood letting and such. Terrain theory which is more about fortification.

The moron wrote a book about it and mixed up miasma theory and Terrain theory. He's that out off his rocker. Ars did a nice tidy write up on it if you haven't seen it.

https://meincmagazine.com/health/2025...ance-is-rooted-in-a-disbelief-in-germ-theory/

So the real question is...which theory will we get and will it be on purpose or by accident? Will he institute blood letting and talk about farts? Or will he institute terrain theory type fortification thoughts, but call it miasma theory? That is the level of moron we are dealing with here.
 
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Fatesrider

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"Anti-vaccine quack hired by anti-vaccine quack"

You know what they say: birds of a feather die of bird flu together.
That's what I'm hoping for all of the anti-vax people who spread their bullshit to others.

But I'm not picky about the pathogen, as long it had a vaccine they refused to take that could have prevented it.
 
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I wanna call it the endarkenment, but that sounds too metal and thus too cool for the reality.

Might as well have something cool about this period. Future historians can argue over whether the Great 21st Century Endarkenment technically started during Trump's first term or his second.
 
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PsychoArs

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Both sides are the same?

When one side picks a candidate for a position, they find someone who is as close to beyond question as possible. Someone who's record is unsmeared and untainted by scandal and history of wrongdoing. Someone who has a past in the position's field. Someone who holds the respect of most other people in that field. With few exceptions the candidate needs to be qualified, competent, and clean.

When the other side picks a candidate for a position, they find someone who almost invariably has black marks on their record. Someone who has violated rules and shown disregard for proper methodology. Someone who frequently has - at best - a layperson's understanding of the position's field. Someone who is derided by most other people in the field as incapable and dangerous. With few exceptions the candidate needs to be unqualified, incompetent, and dirty.

Maybe the angle here for the allegedly sensible Republicans is to really hammer home this point. "You may weigh in differently on the best way to run the economy. You may prioritize things like religion differently. You may hold different opinions on how best to handle crime, immigration, and foreign affairs. That's all totally okay. These are complicated topics that nobody should be confident they've got the perfect answer to. But when you vote Republican these days, you are aligning yourself with a party that goes out of its way to place incompetent, ignorant and demonstrably corrupt people in positions of power over you. Please vote Democrat and petition your new representative to adopt your views on divisive topics. Voting Republican may get you some of what you want, but it comes with serious baggage."
 
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Mechjaz

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Quack quack quack!!!!? Go Bobby! Amazing how the journalism here can use derogatory terms like quack when it suits their beliefs... Woo!!!!
What about this is an assertion of beliefs rather than a statement of fact, exactly?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quack (see denotation 4 of 5, see also charlatan)

I hope you're happy knowing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is literally working to kill children. He wants children to get sick and die. He wants that for adults, too, but he wants children to suffocate, to die of organ failure, to die before they have a semblance of agency into whether or how they might prevent or treat disease.

What's the upside here for you? How is this good for you, for America, for pseudo-Christian fascism? Even the Nazis wanted babies for the Third Reich.
 
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Vnend

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Maybe the US public should sue him for bringing the position of President in to disrepute, can't be that hard to find a few things, if it wasn't for the fact the VP would then take over. 1/4 of a brain cell?

And after Mr. Vice-I_Have_No_Experience comes the Speaker of the House. Unlucky us...
 
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EggDropSup

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I keep hearing this, and I understand where you are coming from, but it can't be repaired. The sickness and death they have and will continue to cause can not be undone. The course of hundreds of millions, perhaps more, is irrevocably changed for the worse if not ended.

It's one thing when someone invades a country and imposes their will by force, or a coup happens outside of legal framework. But this is essentially national suicide by popular vote. Society is being blown up by choice. You can thank your neighbor.
Popular vote?
 
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BasicBrunel

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Here's an idea, just release the data, anonymised and encourage the health authorities in the EU, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand to run their own independent analyses. That way Americans can choose who to listen to.
The way of the world already does its own analysis. Sometimes we live up with the USA. Sometimes we don’t. Case in point would be that the TGA in Australia regulates medical devices and implants. They’ll typically wait a while after the FDA and use the results coming in from widespread use of things before making their own judgement. Personally I know of a thing that was a couple of years from common use in the states to acceptance in Australia.

The boffins who regulate medicines globally know their stuff and if the data out of the USA is not worth using they’ll find other data to base their decisions on.
 
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Martin123

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You are correct. It is too metal, but it does fit very well for the times we live in. Not just the US sadly

Wow, I love the interview quote on the album's Wikipedia page: "I think in terms of feel, it's brighter, more open and direct than maybe we've been in the past.".
 
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EricM2

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Again a move against science, against rational thinking and decision making.
It is as if nearly every action of this government was aimed at making the USA poorer, sicker, weaker, more divided - at a breathtaking pace.
I normally can live quite well with either progressive or conservative governments, having voted for both in the past.
But this administration is is only conservative on paper.
What is currently going on in the U.S. is aggressive destruction of established pillars of society without any visible will to create a replacement.
Economy, science, international relations, social security, wealth (of the 99%) - all are under attack by the current GOP/MAGA mutation.
If destruction is not their only target, I honestly wonder, what they try to achieve.
 
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Is anyone else wondering why nobody from the trans-panic-is-a-major-pillar-of-republican-policy wing hasn't said a thing about HHS hiring a guy whose hobby is shooting children full of lupron for exceptionally questionable reasons?

If you have hallucinate a sinister liberal war on men to fret about you'd think that pediatric GnRH receptor agonists would be of even greater interest; but perhaps I'm misunderstanding the minds of the faithful; or incorrectly assuming that 'think' is a significant ingredient.
 
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henryhbk

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Well of course; if you're actually qualified to do work without supervision, how can they ensure you depend on the existing executive and don't generate independent thought?
It’s independent, it’s 3 standard deviations past the mean, but it‘s independent in the way random.random(random.random(random.random(random.random(random.enshittify())))) is…
 
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