Anime studios and an all-star cast combine for Star Wars: Visions

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so: just got an email from Disney Plus here in Canada indicating my monthly cost is going up almost 40%.

I 'cut the cord' to get away from high Cable bills, but at this point streaming services are starting to reach the point of "more expensive than Cable" (multiple teenagers: I am afflicted with multiple streaming services )

guess its time to join the brigade of "subscribe for a month or two and disconnect"

This series looks neat: is the flow of new content from Disney+ enough to justify 40% price bump? I just don't think so.

time for a rotation strategy in streaming

40% bump? Isn't this the mandated all streaming services must pay HST/GST now? So shouldn't be more that 14%
 
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so: just got an email from Disney Plus here in Canada indicating my monthly cost is going up almost 40%.

I 'cut the cord' to get away from high Cable bills, but at this point streaming services are starting to reach the point of "more expensive than Cable" (multiple teenagers: I am afflicted with multiple streaming services )

guess its time to join the brigade of "subscribe for a month or two and disconnect"

This series looks neat: is the flow of new content from Disney+ enough to justify 40% price bump? I just don't think so.

time for a rotation strategy in streaming

40% bump? Isn't this the mandated all streaming services must pay HST/GST now? So shouldn't be more that 14%
The big part is that they added something called Star, which is basically the Hulu library for Canada, and as a result they increased the monthly rates. That actually happened back in February for new subscribers, but existing subscribers could keep the old rate until August.
 
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samcantrell

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Oh god please no more star wars
How about a Marvel, Star Wars cross over instead?

Apparently the What If writers were told no Marvel/Star Wars crossovers, at least for the first season.

Because we all know that since Star Wars takes place a long, long time ago, Luke Skywalker is the real First Avenger.

;-)
 
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Oh god please no more star wars

And that’s bad take #2394… :D

Seriously…Disney is literally making something for everyone, something for every taste. Even the most jaded can find something to enjoy there.
Wait... You're saying Star Wars' existence doesn't prevent me from enjoying something else? So, I could go watch that instead of complaining here? 🤯
 
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This literally looks like the best Star Wars thing since Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars ... _TV_series)

Hard to believe it's already been 18 years. As in that cartoon series as well, I think Star Wars is absolutely at its best in over-the-top animation style.

Thank you for listing the studios, my pulse quickened at Trigger and I was overjoyed to see Science Saru!
 
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Heh, the Studio Trigger ones look blatantly in their style.

Too much CGI. They should be shooting for TIE Fighter.
Looks great, but kinda amused by about "too much CGI" when that guy makes generous use of rotoscoped 3D models/scenes. Computers and 3D modeling have been part of the animator's toolkit for a long time now and can lead to vastly different results under different artists. Can't damn the usage as a whole based on weaker examples.

Oh god please no more star wars
How about a Marvel, Star Wars cross over instead?


OK now I'm going to dig a deep hole and hide in it.

On a more serious note it would have been cool to get Otomo to head the project.
Patton Oswalt might have an idea or twenty about a Marvel Star Wars crossover :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBhNkywMJY
 
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Heh, the Studio Trigger ones look blatantly in their style.

Too much CGI. They should be shooting for TIE Fighter.
Looks great, but kinda amused by about "too much CGI" when that guy makes generous use of rotoscoped 3D models/scenes. Computers and 3D modeling have been part of the animator's toolkit for a long time now and can lead to vastly different results under different artists. Can't damn the usage as a whole based on weaker examples.
Sure, and Fire and Ice is just a live-action movie! :eng101:
Yes, rotoscoping is a technique animators have used for over a hundred years. No, that doesn't make TIE Fighter "CGI."
 
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Zomboe

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Heh, the Studio Trigger ones look blatantly in their style.

Too much CGI. They should be shooting for TIE Fighter.
Looks great, but kinda amused by about "too much CGI" when that guy makes generous use of rotoscoped 3D models/scenes. Computers and 3D modeling have been part of the animator's toolkit for a long time now and can lead to vastly different results under different artists. Can't damn the usage as a whole based on weaker examples.
Sure, and Fire and Ice is just a live-action movie! :eng101:
Yes, rotoscoping is a technique animators have used for over a hundred years. No, that doesn't make TIE Fighter "CGI."
It's rotoscoping over 3D CGI. Rotoscoping absolutely does get criticism for producing poorer results than traditional, hand drawn animation, though of course there is a wide range of quality.

That TIE Fighter animation is definitely not bad, but in general my ranking is traditional animation >> rotoscoped 3D CGI >> 3D CGI. So in that sense I agree that at least it isn't straight 3D CGI, like so many other Star Wars cartoons.

There are other ways to use CGI to more closely mimic traditional 2D animation, for example Masaaki Yuasa/Science Saru does a great job. To me at least, the results are much better than rotoscoped 3D CGI.

EDIT: I guess the point being, someone could easily say that TIE Fighter is also "too much CGI" due to its usage of 3D CGI during production, which gives it a distinctive look, just as traditional rotoscoping is usually very obvious.
 
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yes! Just what we need. More Star Wars flicks with awful storylines so that Disney can make more cash. I wonder if the Death Star blows up in this series.

This is off topic, but Star Wars is a tricky beast to tame. Make something new? "NOT STAR WARSY ENOUGH!" Make something not as new? "IT'S JUST THE SAME thing!" The only modern Star Wars thing that has been pretty universally acclaimed is The Mandalorian (maybe because no Skywalkers?). Star Wars fans are as religious about is as ... well, christians, and about as divided as what counts as "real/good Star Wars". Personally I liked the new trilogy, and especially The Last Jedi. It was wizard.

I hear people say this a lot but I really don't think it's true. The existence of near universally-acclaimed things like The Mandalorian or the Clone Wars animated series shows that pleasing a majority of Star Wars fans isn't impossible. I even see a lot of people who hate the sequel trilogy grudgingly admit that The Last Jedi was the best of the three simply because it tried to be different. Heck, people were even willing to give the copy/paste that was The Force Awakens a pass initially because they were hopeful that it could evolve into something good.

The secret to success in the Star Wars universe is to simply care about Star Wars and try to make something good. Not everyone will like it but they'll acknowledge that you made a good-faith attempt and just wait for someone else to make something they do like. If, on the other hand, you're someone who clearly doesn't give a shit about Star Wars (looking at you, JJ) and is just churning out a turd sandwich to make a quick buck then yes, expect to receive a lot of hate from the fans.

And I know people who truly hates The Last Jedi and think they ruined Star Wars forever. I've heard multiple people start sentences with "I was there when it first came out ... " and their conclusions are wildly different, and all of them claim to be the ones who truly care about Star Wars. So yeah, not impossible to make universally acclaimed stuff, but also really quite hard. Honestly at this point it's almost religion. Star Wars is holy for people and that is really interesting to me.
The thing is, as the middle of a trilogy The Last Jedi is a terrible, awful, not enough ways to say how bad it is film. Viewed as a stand alone movie with no preexisting characters, it's a mixed bag with some bad elements and some great ones. So both perspectives are correct, from a certain point of view, but I lean towards the first one, because the middle of a trilogy was its place.
 
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so: just got an email from Disney Plus here in Canada indicating my monthly cost is going up almost 40%.

I 'cut the cord' to get away from high Cable bills, but at this point streaming services are starting to reach the point of "more expensive than Cable" (multiple teenagers: I am afflicted with multiple streaming services )

guess its time to join the brigade of "subscribe for a month or two and disconnect"

This series looks neat: is the flow of new content from Disney+ enough to justify 40% price bump? I just don't think so.

time for a rotation strategy in streaming

40% bump? Isn't this the mandated all streaming services must pay HST/GST now? So shouldn't be more that 14%
The big part is that they added something called Star, which is basically the Hulu library for Canada, and as a result they increased the monthly rates. That actually happened back in February for new subscribers, but existing subscribers could keep the old rate until August.

Huh. I missed that. I’m looking at killing much of my Ignite service. I’m grandfathered in on an “expensive” tier that is no longer available, but is less expensive *per option* than the current packages. It now includes Disney+ streaming via the Rogers’ set top box and (oddly as its Bell Media) Crave.

I don’t need to pay for both of those services, effectively, twice.
 
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Some of this looks okay, and some of the features look VERY Anime trope. I'm not very hype for it. :/

Yeah, I would also have hoped for more adventurous visuals... this all looks pretty anime-by-rote. I know there are always going to be aesthetic limits on what outside creators are allowed to do with Star Wars, particularly in the Disney era, but this doesn't look very visually compelling to me.
 
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yes! Just what we need. More Star Wars flicks with awful storylines so that Disney can make more cash. I wonder if the Death Star blows up in this series.

This is off topic, but Star Wars is a tricky beast to tame. Make something new? "NOT STAR WARSY ENOUGH!" Make something not as new? "IT'S JUST THE SAME thing!" The only modern Star Wars thing that has been pretty universally acclaimed is The Mandalorian (maybe because no Skywalkers?). Star Wars fans are as religious about is as ... well, christians, and about as divided as what counts as "real/good Star Wars". Personally I liked the new trilogy, and especially The Last Jedi. It was wizard.

I hear people say this a lot but I really don't think it's true. The existence of near universally-acclaimed things like The Mandalorian or the Clone Wars animated series shows that pleasing a majority of Star Wars fans isn't impossible. I even see a lot of people who hate the sequel trilogy grudgingly admit that The Last Jedi was the best of the three simply because it tried to be different. Heck, people were even willing to give the copy/paste that was The Force Awakens a pass initially because they were hopeful that it could evolve into something good.

The secret to success in the Star Wars universe is to simply care about Star Wars and try to make something good. Not everyone will like it but they'll acknowledge that you made a good-faith attempt and just wait for someone else to make something they do like. If, on the other hand, you're someone who clearly doesn't give a shit about Star Wars (looking at you, JJ) and is just churning out a turd sandwich to make a quick buck then yes, expect to receive a lot of hate from the fans.

And I know people who truly hates The Last Jedi and think they ruined Star Wars forever. I've heard multiple people start sentences with "I was there when it first came out ... " and their conclusions are wildly different, and all of them claim to be the ones who truly care about Star Wars. So yeah, not impossible to make universally acclaimed stuff, but also really quite hard. Honestly at this point it's almost religion. Star Wars is holy for people and that is really interesting to me.
The thing is, as the middle of a trilogy The Last Jedi is a terrible, awful, not enough ways to say how bad it is film. Viewed as a stand alone movie with no preexisting characters, it's a mixed bag with some bad elements and some great ones. So both perspectives are correct, from a certain point of view, but I lean towards the first one, because the middle of a trilogy was its place.

And here's the thing: you say that as if it's fact, and yet I know old (as in been there from the beginning) hardcore Star Wars fans who think it's the best Star Wars since Empire. And that's my point.
 
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yes! Just what we need. More Star Wars flicks with awful storylines so that Disney can make more cash. I wonder if the Death Star blows up in this series.

This is off topic, but Star Wars is a tricky beast to tame. Make something new? "NOT STAR WARSY ENOUGH!" Make something not as new? "IT'S JUST THE SAME thing!" The only modern Star Wars thing that has been pretty universally acclaimed is The Mandalorian (maybe because no Skywalkers?). Star Wars fans are as religious about is as ... well, christians, and about as divided as what counts as "real/good Star Wars". Personally I liked the new trilogy, and especially The Last Jedi. It was wizard.

I hear people say this a lot but I really don't think it's true. The existence of near universally-acclaimed things like The Mandalorian or the Clone Wars animated series shows that pleasing a majority of Star Wars fans isn't impossible. I even see a lot of people who hate the sequel trilogy grudgingly admit that The Last Jedi was the best of the three simply because it tried to be different. Heck, people were even willing to give the copy/paste that was The Force Awakens a pass initially because they were hopeful that it could evolve into something good.

The secret to success in the Star Wars universe is to simply care about Star Wars and try to make something good. Not everyone will like it but they'll acknowledge that you made a good-faith attempt and just wait for someone else to make something they do like. If, on the other hand, you're someone who clearly doesn't give a shit about Star Wars (looking at you, JJ) and is just churning out a turd sandwich to make a quick buck then yes, expect to receive a lot of hate from the fans.

And I know people who truly hates The Last Jedi and think they ruined Star Wars forever. I've heard multiple people start sentences with "I was there when it first came out ... " and their conclusions are wildly different, and all of them claim to be the ones who truly care about Star Wars. So yeah, not impossible to make universally acclaimed stuff, but also really quite hard. Honestly at this point it's almost religion. Star Wars is holy for people and that is really interesting to me.
The thing is, as the middle of a trilogy The Last Jedi is a terrible, awful, not enough ways to say how bad it is film. Viewed as a stand alone movie with no preexisting characters, it's a mixed bag with some bad elements and some great ones. So both perspectives are correct, from a certain point of view, but I lean towards the first one, because the middle of a trilogy was its place.

And here's the thing: you say that as if it's fact, and yet I know old (as in been there from the beginning) hardcore Star Wars fans who think it's the best Star Wars since Empire. And that's my point.

I've gotten to know plenty of these old school Star Wars fans who've read thru most of the 'legends' (comic) books, watched just about all accessible video media, played all but Lego games - count me as one, as many, I consider the Empire the best, skipped Legacy, and got bored for a while watching Clone Wars...

now, as a standalone sci-fi action movie, TLJ ain't terrible - save the space bombs, useless Rose development, chintzy space casino distraction away from terrible pacing of Drag-on-ballZ rivalling slow progression of rebel fleet fleeing/being destroyed (which some say is a cleaver Spaceballs tribute), which ends up being just a painful setup to the dumb (af) hyperspace kamikaze - Rian Johnson probably though was a neat plot twist (okay, let me stop myself from adding to same old arguments...)...

BUT, as a middle one of a trilogy and chorological 9th in Star Wars movie saga to die hard fans, it's a meh at best and WTF at worst... I've not gotten a single person saying he/she/they thought it was second best after the Empire.
 
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At the risk of making yet-another-sequel-trilogy-debate-thread, I think the Last Jedi hate comes mostly from it being a non-sequitur in relation to the rest of the trilogy. If The Force Awakens had focused on Luke's attempt and failure to recreate the Jedi order, The Last Jedi were left mostly as-is, and The Rise of Skywalker had been about Rey taking the lessons learned from Luke and succeeding were he failed, I don't think people would hate TLJ nearly as much.
But given that none of that happened, I think saying TLJ is terrible is a perfectly fair take as the follow-up to The Force Awakens we already had.
 
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