Americans to Trump: Healthcare is the top priority for first 100 days

Poll shows desire for urgency on healthcare as ACA signups surge after election.

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[AzFalconer]

So McConnell and Ryan have both committed to ACA repeal in Jan and privatizing Medicaid in 6 months... I think there is going to be a lot of buyers remorse shortly...

 

[Soothsayer786]

Whatever happens, I am 100% confident that Republicans will screw it up in spectacular fashion. And their supporters will find a way to blame it on Democrats.

 

[therealgabacho]

You don't see many people writing about it but I wonder how much open enrollment and higher deductibles right before the election effected the outcome. I personally know a lot of people who were screaming about their rate hikes a couple of days prior

 

[Soothsayer786]

i662i812r11[/url]":1ufzt2y0]

Whatever happens, I am 100% confident that Republicans will screw it up in spectacular fashion. And their supporters will find a way to blame it on Democrats.

It cannot get any more 'screwed up' than it is now and that is already the result of faulty policy by the Democrat Party.

You are seriously underestimating the ability of conservatives to drive everything they touch into the ground.

I don't want to sound too hyper-partisan, and I know Democrats are not infallible, but the ACA is largely the result of compromise with conservatives and the insurance companies. Because let's be honest, if we got what we wanted it would have been single-payer.

 

[tetrapyloctomy]

When polled, a large proportion of the population is against "Obamacare" but supports the specifics of the PP-ACA when the term isn't used. So it's not surprising they rail against it but don't want it to go away.

 

[LordEOD]

It will remain a horrid affliction upon the American public, because anything you do is simply plugging holes in the dam... while the raging water of the insurers look for any crack to bring down the dam.

As long as the insurers and the related businesses can dictate to us and our elected officials, we're just going to keep getting shafted.

Saddest part of all is that the GOP will fail at this, as everyone else has, and they will carefully craft patently false excuses and find a way to create misinformation that the voters (on both sides) seem unwilling or unable to see through.

 

[TheShark]

I'm going to predict that they will simply rename it to TrumpCare and then all of their constituents will be happy. After all, Americans dislike Obamacare but actually like it's provisions. So it's going to be dangerous for the GOP to actually do much to it because people actually like it. Just witness how fast Trump started walking back his promise to repeal it once he won.

 

[EspressoMachine]

RockDaMan[/url]":1r9h17m5]
nearly three-quarters said making sure high-priced drugs are affordable for those in need should be a top priority. Additionally, 63 percent said they wanted to see the government take direct action to lower drug costs.


Theoretically speaking, shouldn't competition on the free market solve these woes?

Sure and same goes for ISPs but the issue is the barrier to entry.

 

[심돌산]

RockDaMan[/url]":mvw194re]
nearly three-quarters said making sure high-priced drugs are affordable for those in need should be a top priority. Additionally, 63 percent said they wanted to see the government take direct action to lower drug costs.


Theoretically speaking, shouldn't competition on the free market solve these woes?

Sure, if there is a choice of equivalent drugs from multiple providers marketed directly to the consumer. Aspirin is pretty cheap, after all.

But when drugs are marketed to insurance companies and doctors by monopoly providers, there aren't any market mechanisms to lower prices.

 

[Baron von Robber]

RockDaMan[/url]":3p1huy96]
nearly three-quarters said making sure high-priced drugs are affordable for those in need should be a top priority. Additionally, 63 percent said they wanted to see the government take direct action to lower drug costs.


Theoretically speaking, shouldn't competition on the free market solve these woes?

Patents and IP make sure there isn't a free market.

 

[LordEOD]

EspressoMachine[/url]":36ba5ux1]

RockDaMan[/url]":36ba5ux1]
nearly three-quarters said making sure high-priced drugs are affordable for those in need should be a top priority. Additionally, 63 percent said they wanted to see the government take direct action to lower drug costs.


Theoretically speaking, shouldn't competition on the free market solve these woes?

Sure and same goes for ISPs but the issue is the barrier to entry.

Barriers to entry and then they're up against one of the largest briber.... er... lobby group today.

 

[Kagehiru]

So, signups surge after the election... They willingly signed up for something that was promised would be repealed, and if it was not, faced massive premium increases. My head hurts.

 

[iPirateEverything]

Dad used to tell me there are two kinds of people:
One who wants to see the future and another that just wants to be around long enough to see the whole thing burn...


The strange thing is, after this election both groups are strangely happy - even if it's for different reasons

 

[TheShark]

Soothsayer786[/url]":13ny9kvx]

i662i812r11[/url]":13ny9kvx]

Whatever happens, I am 100% confident that Republicans will screw it up in spectacular fashion. And their supporters will find a way to blame it on Democrats.

It cannot get any more 'screwed up' than it is now and that is already the result of faulty policy by the Democrat Party.

You are seriously underestimating the ability of conservatives to drive everything they touch into the ground.

I don't want to sound too hyper-partisan, and I know Democrats are not infallible, but the ACA is largely the result of compromise with conservatives and the insurance companies. Because let's be honest, if we got what we wanted it would have been single-payer.

This has always been one of my frustrations. The GOP effectively won the health care debate. Did we get single payer? No! Did we even get a public option? No! Instead we got saddled with a plan dreamed up by a conservative think tank and first implemented by Mitt Romney. And the GOP threw (heck is still throwing) a hissy fit why exactly?

 

[Soothsayer786]

심돌산[/url]":2hq2tzgu]

Soothsayer786[/url]":2hq2tzgu]

i662i812r11[/url]":2hq2tzgu]

Whatever happens, I am 100% confident that Republicans will screw it up in spectacular fashion. And their supporters will find a way to blame it on Democrats.

It cannot get any more 'screwed up' than it is now and that is already the result of faulty policy by the Democrat Party.

You are seriously underestimating the ability of conservatives to drive everything they touch into the ground.

I don't want to sound too hyper-partisan, and I know Democrats are not infallible, but the ACA is largely the result of compromise with conservatives and the insurance companies. Because let's be honest, if we got what we wanted it would have been single-payer.

And yet Obamacare was passed without a single Republican vote, meaning that actually Democrats could have passed anything they wanted.

In theory. But not all Democrats are cut from the same cloth. Many of them are quite conservative, and with the insurance companies having so much power we ended up with a plan that largely satisfied conservatives. They voted against it entirely because it had Obama's name on it, and that is all. Their refusal to act on any legislation during the last 8 years simply because the black guy was in office pretty much speaks to the truth that they didn't want to sit down at any table and negotiate. They wanted to tarnish his legacy.

 

[Cheesewhiz]

It'll be interesting to see how the Trumpers will feel when they lose coverage.

SOP for Republicans. Brainwash their constituency that something needs to happen for their good. But it pretty much only benefits 1%-ers or corporations.

Constituency gets screwed again. This is why they are angry. I get that part. What I don't get is why they are such masochists.

 

[ecity]

The Republican Health Care plan: Don't get sick. And if you do, die quickly.

 

[jdale]

Kagehiru[/url]":24nqr8fj]So, signups surge after the election... They willingly signed up for something that was promised would be repealed, and if it was not, faced massive premium increases. My head hurts.

Seems simple to me. They want health care and health insurance.

There are plenty of things wrong with the current system, there were also plenty of things wrong with the system that preceded it. Americans on the whole want the system improved, they want more access and less cost. It turns out this is actually difficult.

Up until now the GOP has had it easy, all they had to say was that it was bad. Now they need actual solutions. So, for example, do they just abolish it and cancel everyone's health insurance policy? Do they find a way to phase it out and then leave people uninsured? Or do they try to come up with something that works? I would love to see, for example, Congress fix the law so that Medicare can negotiate drug prices. That doesn't see very Republican though....

 

[bruins01]

Cheesewhiz[/url]":90nyfdpk]It'll be interesting to see how the Trumpers will feel when they lose coverage.

SOP for Republicans. Brainwash their constituency that something needs to happen for their good. But it pretty much only benefits 1%-ers or corporations.

Constituency gets screwed again. This is why they are angry. I get that part. What I don't get is why they are such masochists.

A better word for them than "masochists" might be "idiots." Sure they are misinformed, but they choose to be misinformed, as evidenced by the fact that Breitbart had many more visitors over the last few months of the election than WSJ, NYT, Washington Post, or any other news outlet. They are WILLFULLY misinformed.

 

[zbeeblebrox]

RockDaMan[/url]":2ghqnng8]
nearly three-quarters said making sure high-priced drugs are affordable for those in need should be a top priority. Additionally, 63 percent said they wanted to see the government take direct action to lower drug costs.


Theoretically speaking, shouldn't competition on the free market solve these woes?

Theoretically, sort of. The problem with pharmaceuticals isn't always regulation, but the complexity and expense of creating certain niche drugs causes a de facto monopoly for the one company willing to put out the effort. And since these can sometimes be drugs that are necessary to keep people alive, you can end up with a "he who controls the Spice controls the world" situation.

Remember the free market still allows for someone stuck in the desert being forced to sell their fortune for a glass of water. It only protects you IF some other jerk is willing to make the trek out there to undercut the other guy

 

[Cheesewhiz]

bruins01[/url]":3b7objho]

Cheesewhiz[/url]":3b7objho]It'll be interesting to see how the Trumpers will feel when they lose coverage.

SOP for Republicans. Brainwash their constituency that something needs to happen for their good. But it pretty much only benefits 1%-ers or corporations.

Constituency gets screwed again. This is why they are angry. I get that part. What I don't get is why they are such masochists.

A better word for them than "masochists" might be "idiots." Sure they are misinformed, but they choose to be misinformed, as evidenced by the fact that Breitbart had many more visitors over the last few months of the election than WSJ, NYT, Washington Post, or any other news outlet. They are WILLFULLY misinformed.

There is that. There are other things too, but I was trying to be polite.

 

[Soothsayer786]

심돌산[/url]":3bwzokx7]

Soothsayer786[/url]":3bwzokx7]

심돌산[/url]":3bwzokx7]

Soothsayer786[/url]":3bwzokx7]

i662i812r11[/url]":3bwzokx7]

Whatever happens, I am 100% confident that Republicans will screw it up in spectacular fashion. And their supporters will find a way to blame it on Democrats.

It cannot get any more 'screwed up' than it is now and that is already the result of faulty policy by the Democrat Party.

You are seriously underestimating the ability of conservatives to drive everything they touch into the ground.

I don't want to sound too hyper-partisan, and I know Democrats are not infallible, but the ACA is largely the result of compromise with conservatives and the insurance companies. Because let's be honest, if we got what we wanted it would have been single-payer.

And yet Obamacare was passed without a single Republican vote, meaning that actually Democrats could have passed anything they wanted.

In theory. But not all Democrats are cut from the same cloth. Many of them are quite conservative, and with the insurance companies having so much power we ended up with a plan that largely satisfied conservatives.

So the reason we didn't get single payer is that congressional Democrats didn't want it.

Of course that is part of the reason. I am not saying that Democrats aren't also responsible for the healthcare situation. A good many of them are in the pocket of insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. My problem is with how the Republicans have wiped their hands of the whole thing and pretended that the plan didn't have good ideas, even though many of them were exactly what they had been asking for.

And now we are going to watch as they "repeal" it and slap their name on it. They aren't going with single-payer, and I don't think they'll actually go back to the way things were before ACA. It's probably going to remain largely the same but with a few tweaks to satisfy the religious nuts and their problems with contraception, child birth, and women's healthcare.

 

[SmokeTest]

Cheesewhiz[/url]":2bqgx8wn]It'll be interesting to see how the Trumpers will feel when they lose coverage.

SOP for Republicans. Brainwash their constituency that something needs to happen for their good. But it pretty much only benefits 1%-ers or corporations.

Constituency gets screwed again. This is why they are angry. I get that part. What I don't get is why they are such masochists.

Two words explain why the GOP base reliably blames the democrats for problems created by the people they voted in.

Propaganda works.

 

[NinjaNerd56]

Soothsayer786[/url]":zr7y9o49]

i662i812r11[/url]":zr7y9o49]

Whatever happens, I am 100% confident that Republicans will screw it up in spectacular fashion. And their supporters will find a way to blame it on Democrats.

It cannot get any more 'screwed up' than it is now and that is already the result of faulty policy by the Democrat Party.

You are seriously underestimating the ability of conservatives to drive everything they touch into the ground.

I don't want to sound too hyper-partisan, and I know Democrats are not infallible, but the ACA is largely the result of compromise with conservatives and the insurance companies. Because let's be honest, if we got what we wanted it would have been single-payer.

Indeed, considering the opposition, the ACA is good.

Could have been awesome, but buy-partisans once again screw the pooch...and you and I.

 

[metafor]

Parole[/url]":2yq3jtgy]

Soothsayer786[/url]":2yq3jtgy]

i662i812r11[/url]":2yq3jtgy]

Whatever happens, I am 100% confident that Republicans will screw it up in spectacular fashion. And their supporters will find a way to blame it on Democrats.

It cannot get any more 'screwed up' than it is now and that is already the result of faulty policy by the Democrat Party.

You are seriously underestimating the ability of conservatives to drive everything they touch into the ground.

I don't want to sound too hyper-partisan, and I know Democrats are not infallible, but the ACA is largely the result of compromise with conservatives and the insurance companies. Because let's be honest, if we got what we wanted it would have been single-payer.

You are hyper-patrtisan, and your posts speak for themselves. It doesn't help your case that you are now just making shit up. There was no compromise with conservatives on the ACA. They were shut out of negotiations, forbidden from offering amendments after the legislation came out of the smoke filled back rooms, and didn't seek nor receive a single republican vote to pass it. In fact, they didn't even allow a full reading of it, or have you have forgotten "We have to pass the bill, to see what's in it". Sell your revisionists bullshit to the uninformed.

Republican senate is not the same as conservatism. You'd be surprised to find how many in the Democratic camp are more centrist/conservative and much of the way the ACA turned out was due to them objecting. For instance, the public option was dropped due to Joe Lieberman:

https://newrepublic.com/article/75077/how-they-did-it
https://newrepublic.com/article/72057/w ... lieve-bill

Republicans seemed to be against the bill from the beginning, no matter what form it took. Even though it was actually lifted from ideas proposed by Republicans in the past:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/0 ... al-mandate

Realistically, the public option would've taken away most of the criticism of the ACA. But that had so much opposition not just amongst Republicans at the time but right-leaning Democrats (and yes, there are many).

 

[ayle]

RockDaMan[/url]":22gux8x8]
nearly three-quarters said making sure high-priced drugs are affordable for those in need should be a top priority. Additionally, 63 percent said they wanted to see the government take direct action to lower drug costs.


Theoretically speaking, shouldn't competition on the free market solve these woes?

Can free market really apply to something that is literally a matter of life or death?