AMD reportedly plans Ryzen 5800X3D re-release for upgraders on a budget
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Holy shit, AM4 just won't die.
The 5800X3D is still a pretty decent gaming CPU. Probably the best from the DDR4 era, so it makes sense in the current state of the world where getting new memory is going to cost you an arm, both legs, and your first-born. Whatever helps people keep existing hardware going is a good thing.
E: We have two in our house, paired with a 7900XT and a 7900XTX. They're still holding up pretty damn well today. At this rate, I might try to stretch until DDR6 hits mainstream before I upgrade.
The 5800X3D is still a pretty decent gaming CPU. Probably the best from the DDR4 era, so it makes sense in the current state of the world where getting new memory is going to cost you an arm, both legs, and your first-born. Whatever helps people keep existing hardware going is a good thing.
E: We have two in our house, paired with a 7900XT and a 7900XTX. They're still holding up pretty damn well today. At this rate, I might try to stretch until DDR6 hits mainstream before I upgrade.
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Love my 5800X3D and this is great news for those on AM4 looking to extend that platform further.
I wholeheartedly endorse the 5800X3D to folks, especially gamers.
I wholeheartedly endorse the 5800X3D to folks, especially gamers.
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My 5700X3D is also still a solid cpu for gaming, if I had the spare cash I'd be very tempted.
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I'll definitely be keeping my eye on these for pricing. I've got a 5600x and a 9070. At the right price I could definitely see myself upgrading. Maybe the 5700x3D and other lower bins will also come back into circulation too if they are firing up production again. The 5600x should still sell reasonably well so hopefully it can be a relatively inexpensive net upgrade.
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Weird. I think normally re-releases are ... grassroots efforts many years (decades?) after obsoletion? Have there been other modern examples of abandoned hardware returning to life in PC land, aside from rebadge efforts?
I guess there's Apple's Neo, but that's a whole enduser device, not a technical component.
I applaud AMD if this does come to fruition.
I guess there's Apple's Neo, but that's a whole enduser device, not a technical component.
I applaud AMD if this does come to fruition.
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If you have a first generation Ryzen board, you’re going to want to wait for confirmation this will work before upgrading, and you’ll probably have to run a bios update.
Also, if you haven’t swapped CPUs in a while, prepare to be surprised by the difficulty of doing so. Running the CPU hot for a quarter hour to soften up the paste probably won’t work, and you may have to remove the fan with it and pry it off the cooling block with a pair of vice grip pliers.
Also, if you haven’t swapped CPUs in a while, prepare to be surprised by the difficulty of doing so. Running the CPU hot for a quarter hour to soften up the paste probably won’t work, and you may have to remove the fan with it and pry it off the cooling block with a pair of vice grip pliers.
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14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Bought one of these two years ago when I updated to a 4080 Super because my 3700x was just a bit lacking to feed that GPU. Zero regrets zero issues. The combo is still a very viable 4k setup today and I feel no compelling reason to upgrade for awhile.
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Yeah. For a lot of 300 series motherboards you need to run a "Beta" bios to support the 5000 series chips like the 5800 x3D. It seems to be flagged as a beta because it drops support for some older processors to make space to add support for the new processors so they don't want automatic updates installing the update on a system with one of those processors. You could potentially end up in a situation where you have to upgrade the bios using one of those processors that won't be supported by the new bios and then swap to the 5800 x3D before it will book successfully again. A little scary but should work.
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Finally some fucking good news in this stupid world. I've been trying to get one of these for a reasonable price and gave up.
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And especially especially simmers. If anyone runs MS Flight Simulator on AM4 without an X3D chip, definitely get one.
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The bigger problem is that if a 5800X3D is both compatible and an upgrade, I can just buy one from the original run used for even less.
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I don't think it's super uncommon for RTS and MMO games to end up cpu bound though. Any game with a lot of calculations going on can run into stutters or lag there, and the x3d line is pretty good for those.
It would be better if game engines were more multi threaded though. Probably the real ideal case is compiling? Great news for gentoo users.
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Maybe, if you know someone ... or are lucky. Or do you mean after this re-release?
Right now even dodgy listings on eBay command princely sums, and I know plenty of people hesitant to buy second-hand kit.
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Dude, the CPU has been out for 4 years. There are reams and reams of proof out there. Sure, not every game/use case will benefit from the extra cache, but enough will that generally if you use your PC mainly for gaming and are using a 5800X or lower you'll see some benefit most of the time.
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I got super lucky and a friend sent me the unused 5700x3D from his new server build, he already a low power cpu so I got a nice upgrade from my old 3600x.
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I got super lucky and a friend sent me the unused 5700x3D from his new server build, he already a low power cpu so I got a nice upgrade from my old 3600x.
That's a kind friend and a kind upgrade.
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The X3D processors tend to be only "OK" at productivity/work/etc (non-gaming). They excel at gaming, especially games like Factorio, because of all the player data that can be in the cache. In code compilation they fall into line pretty much with core count. There are work benchmarks that they do well because of their cache but generally they are benchmarks that have large data sets. There are also benchmarks that work well with AVX512 (which Zen3 doesn't have) that will get a big boost on the Zen4 and Zen5 parts.
https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-core-ultra-5-250k-plus/2
(There are plenty of other processors benchmarked on that site and others that show pretty much the same thing.)
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So (being terribly lazy), if I have a 5900X, this is not relevant?
Downvote if you have to, but replies are valued!
Downvote if you have to, but replies are valued!
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Someone in AMD's manufacturing operations team had some spare time, went to the wafer test stats and went... "hey... we can probably rescue a bunch of these old die..."
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Depends on your priorities. The 5900x is a 12 core part while the 5800 x3D is a 8 core part so things that scale well to 12 cores like cinebench are going to be a lot better on the 5900x. Probably true of other CPU rendering, encoding or large compilation tasks. The 5900 is a two CCD part so games probably don't scale well past 6 cores because of the latency between the different dies on the chip. For gaming you would want the AMD driver installed to keep games to just 6 cores on one CCD to avoid issues. Between the 8 cores on a single CCD and the extra cache the 5800 x3D is likely to be faster in almost all games.
TLDR if you just care about games the 5800 x3D is an upgrade but for other productivity type stuff it would be a down grade. Granted there's always the possibility that you are just GPU limited based on your settings and changing the processor won't make a difference.
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I have a 5800X with 32 GB and recently upgraded to a 9070 XT. I can definitely feel now that most of the lag is CPU-induced rather than GPU, but I tend to play older games (I've been benchmarking with RDR2, Borderlands 3, and Cyberpunk 2077, if that gives you an idea). Excited to see if this comes to market at a reasonable price!
Maybe the pop-in on Eco won't be so bad. . .
Maybe the pop-in on Eco won't be so bad. . .
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Someone in AMD's manufacturing operations team had some spare time, went to the wafer test stats and went... "hey... we can probably rescue a bunch of these old die..."
Or they found a couple of pallets of them in the corner of the warehouse somewhere. . .
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AMD is also introducing the 7700X3D to fill the gap left by discontinuing the 7800X3D.
Seeing as they are adding CUDIMM support to Zen6 on top of the current unclocked DDR5 for Zen 5, I think they should just go whole hog and re-introduce DDR4 support as an option to Zen6, on the off chance that DDR5 prices never recover.
Imagine if the Steam Machine was available as a "bring your own RAM" SKU, and users could put in two sticks of DDR4, or DDR5, or mix and match, like some ASRock motherboards of old.
Seeing as they are adding CUDIMM support to Zen6 on top of the current unclocked DDR5 for Zen 5, I think they should just go whole hog and re-introduce DDR4 support as an option to Zen6, on the off chance that DDR5 prices never recover.
Imagine if the Steam Machine was available as a "bring your own RAM" SKU, and users could put in two sticks of DDR4, or DDR5, or mix and match, like some ASRock motherboards of old.
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I got a 5700x3d, it's chugging along nicely with my 9070XT... I can't see any reason to upgrade for another 3-4 years at this point... which is more than enough time for entire AI bubble and shit to crash and AM6/DDR6 coming out at decent volume at this point.
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I think that was all the 5600 x3D and 5500 x3D that they released. Clearing out the all the worst of the bins they had accumulated. The 5700x3D was apparently because it was much easier to bin. Seemingly most everything could meet that level while the 5800x3D was a lot more effort to bin.
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I'm still sporting the 5800x and would absolutely buy the x3D if it was reasonably priced.
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Agreed.
I went to upgrade my AM4 system "on the cheap" because surely a 4 year old CPU is now considered undesirable. ..
Nope, higher than the original MSRP.
So I'm still rocking a 2800
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