AMD promises to bring improved, hardware-backed FSR 4 upscaling to older Radeon GPUs
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jm_leviathan
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Given that AMD apparently intends to continue releasing new RDNA 3.5 APUs for years to come, it would've been utterly insane not to make FSR 4 available on that hardware. And yet, one could never be entirely confident that AMD was not, in fact, insane. So, hurrah.
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I have a 9060 XT but this is still good news, gives some confidence that my card won't get immediately obsoleted when FSR5 or the next RDNA gen comes out.
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I'll be honest, AMD would have been fine to just backport FSR4 support to RDNA3 only, especially if they were more proactive in their communication about it and not giving us the silent treatment. RDNA2's support of FSR4 when I tested it using the unofficial patch that was leaked was quite underwhelming at best on the 6700XT I used to own. RDNA3 should have enough grunt to handle FSR4, however.
The delay to 2027 is kind of silly to me as well for RDNA2.
The delay to 2027 is kind of silly to me as well for RDNA2.
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AMD won my attention many years ago with their Linux GPU support and by shaking up the Intel semi-monopoly on good mid/high-end CPUs.
I lost faith in AMD's willingness to support their products when they were updating Windows 7 drivers and Windows 10 drivers - but had stopped supporting and updating Windows 8 drivers. This was in 2017 while MS was still supporting Windows 8 - a year or two before MS dropped "mainstream support" for Windows 8.
A graphics vendor that drops support for an OS before the OS vendor does? Makes me think twice about buying my next card from them.
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Wondering if the GPU in the Asus ROG Ally X will be supported. It is the AMD Ryzen Z1 extreme
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All companies have ebbs and flows. I used Linux up until it was 2013 (I think?) as my daily then stopped. Because of AMD and drivers on Linux. TLDR--they released their Radeon HD6000 series cards publicly. And by the time I bought one, 6+ months after release...Both the FOSS and AMDCCCLE packages had zero support for that entire run of cards. No XOrg support. At all. All I could do was terminal.
Torvalds famously gave Nvidia the bird...but at least their proprietary drivers back then worked for graphics beyond CLI. Now, of course, the tables have turned pretty hard.
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Good-faith move on their part. The Radeon brand never quite seems to capitalize on what rare occasions of momentum it earns, but they broadly do good work and it’s nice to see them make a gesture like this.
For anyone on the fence about them - My wife bought a 9060 XT a couple months ago. Solid card. No issues with it in terms of performance, noise, or bugs/fussiness, and that makes it good in my book.
For anyone on the fence about them - My wife bought a 9060 XT a couple months ago. Solid card. No issues with it in terms of performance, noise, or bugs/fussiness, and that makes it good in my book.
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Yep. For the past several years, AMD drivers has been better than Nvidia for most Linux usages. And, the open source driver that AMD cooperated with is usually preferred over the closed source driver from AMD. However, I hear that if you're doing pass-through to a VM, people report that Nvidia cards are easier to work with.
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Heh I remember those days when the drivers were being open sourced it was wild. My laptop turned into an unstable space heater and then one day after a couple of years my laptop was running quieter than it did when it was new on windows and giving me better battery life. If it were to have happened to me now that Im older I'd have just stuck with a stable distro and the closed source driver until things sorted themselves out.
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That was right after the time that Allen pushed an update to LibJPEG and LibPNG, on Arch. Without rebuilding everything else.
For everyone who just ran Pacman -Syu without checking the forums…it was a very hilarious day.
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given how they initially ignored the 6000 series cards for anything I always wondered what performance they left on the table. like the 6700xt is a pretty beefy card for its generation and has 12 gigs of vram over later cards that came with less
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Glad to see AMD finally announce this. I hope to keep my 7900 GRE until their next gen GPUs are released.
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Sure, but it's very nice that there is an alternative to Optiscaler with old leaked FS4, when games have direct FSR support.
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Imagine they'd just stated on day 1 that support would be coming, just later. Sure, there would still have been a wait, but they wouldn't have pissed on and pissed off a whole segment of their customer base in the meantime.
One of these days AMD will understand that, as the underdog, they can't afford the continual tone-deaf incompetence if they want to compete with nvidia. Whether that day will happen in my lifetime, I have no idea.
One of these days AMD will understand that, as the underdog, they can't afford the continual tone-deaf incompetence if they want to compete with nvidia. Whether that day will happen in my lifetime, I have no idea.
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This is excellent news for the Steam Machine, in fact I wonder if Valve was involved into pressuring AMD into finally conceding that arbitrary limitation.
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fellow human
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It sounds like it was Sony driving this support since PSSR is basically this:
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/1106...ould-run-on-rdna-2-and-rdna-3-gpus/index.html
I do wonder about performance though; even on my 9070XT FSR 4.1 takes a noticeable amount of horsepower to run. It is noticeably better quality than 4 though, particularly important in VR where I use it.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/1106...ould-run-on-rdna-2-and-rdna-3-gpus/index.html
I do wonder about performance though; even on my 9070XT FSR 4.1 takes a noticeable amount of horsepower to run. It is noticeably better quality than 4 though, particularly important in VR where I use it.
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I can’t speak for AMD’a internal setup, but I know at my organisation there can be a lot of institutional distrust between the marketing/sales teams and the tech/product teams, to the point that virtually nothing gets talked about publicly in detail until it is 99% ready to ship. Frustrating for enthusiasts, just as frustrating internally sometimes.
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"In “early 2027,” support will also be extended to the RDNA2 architecture, which includes the Radeon RX 6000 series, integrated GPUs like the Radeon 680M, and the Steam Deck’s GPU. This would also open the door to supporting FSR 4 on the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X and S, all of which also use RDNA2-based GPUs."
Actually, the situation is not as dire as the article makes it up to be. In PS5M there is PSSR, which was/is a collaboration between Sony and AMD to bring machine learning upscaling to PS5, in essence, FSR3.9
As for xbox and handhelds (both the linux and windows persuation), any developer can use Intel's XeSS DP4a, another ML upscaler, whose qualitu since version 1.3 is vastly superior to FSR3.x, but slightly inferior to FSR3.
TL;DR machine learning upscaling has been available in RDNA 3 and 2 for a long while now in all relevant platforms
Actually, the situation is not as dire as the article makes it up to be. In PS5M there is PSSR, which was/is a collaboration between Sony and AMD to bring machine learning upscaling to PS5, in essence, FSR3.9
As for xbox and handhelds (both the linux and windows persuation), any developer can use Intel's XeSS DP4a, another ML upscaler, whose qualitu since version 1.3 is vastly superior to FSR3.x, but slightly inferior to FSR3.
TL;DR machine learning upscaling has been available in RDNA 3 and 2 for a long while now in all relevant platforms
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It's about time.
They did themselves no favors with the radio silence and also trying to hide the INT8 code that was accidentally published.
I'm convinced that fan pushback and the negative publicity is what finally made AMD cave, so I'm grateful to all the complainers (I have a Radeon 8060S in my tablet).
They did themselves no favors with the radio silence and also trying to hide the INT8 code that was accidentally published.
I'm convinced that fan pushback and the negative publicity is what finally made AMD cave, so I'm grateful to all the complainers (I have a Radeon 8060S in my tablet).
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fellow human
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I enable with OptiScaler in MSFS2024. Generally I don't like upscaling in VR but I find increasing the render resolution and then setting the FSR scaling factor the same amount produces a noticeably sharper image with roughly the same performance.
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I have a 6750 and I thought it worked relatively well. I have a 3440x1440 monitor and I've been stretching that card past its limits for awhile (Alan Wake 2 was a bit rough to play smoothly), but due to a confluence of events managed to pick up a 9070xt.
Kinda wishing I got a 5070 or 5070 ti, just because DLSS is so much better supported, but I really don't like Nvidia as a company, so it is what it is. Would be nice if more than 2 games supported Redstone though, and while I'm wishing things, that Ray Regeneration didn't just tank performance.
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Resistance
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I had a lot of doubt about framegen and generative scaling, but I experienced some performance issues with my 9060 XT playing Minecraft with shaders and a high resolution texture pack, I downloaded Lossless Scaling and was blown away, sure you don't get flawless results, but I'm better off with the tech than without. I eventually did some optimizations that meant I don't need LS but I'm sold on the tech.
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this to me sounds like a similar backflip to the AM4 b450 drama, hence the wonky timeframes
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arsacinhcet
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I wouldn't be surprised if Valve was somehow pushing this behind the scenes, since the Steam Machine is RDNA3 based (an overclocked RX 7400). Over the past year or so there has been a lot of shenanigans in Linux graphics drivers (Mesa) to emulate various bits of functionality on older RDNA2/3 hardware so that FSR4 can run.
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Not sure why this comment was down-voted given that it's both historically accurate and fair criticism.
I was affected similarly when AMD ended driver support for Windows 8.1. I bought a Radeon RX 5700XT in January 2020 thinking it would be a drop-in upgrade for my existing Window 8.1 x64 PC, only to find out after installation that the card was only supported on Windows 10. Earlier generation cards' support on Windows 8.1 continued through 1H 2021, and Microsoft support for the OS continued through January 2023.
It's easy to find reasons to justify AMD ending their support 3 years early, but it doesn't make it any less shitty for consumers who are affected. People remember these kinds of things and it definitely affects future purchase decisions.
That said, I am still a Radeon user, albeit on Linux now instead of Windows. But that's not because I particularly trust AMD; it's only because I dislike nvidia even more and because nvidia's Linux support is sub-par.
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The windows 7 driver works perfectly on Win8. The mistake was not labelibng the file as win7/8.x
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