AMD: No delays for PS5, Xbox Series X, Zen 3 CPUs, and RDNA 2 GPUs

AMD's on-schedule projects underscore Intel's continuing failures to deliver.

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[Synthetic Frost]

I’ve been waiting and saving to finally upgrade to Zen 3 from my old and slow Skylake 6700k. Looks like I won’t have to wait much longer.

 

[Tsur]

As much as I applaud AMD and enjoy schadenfreude at Intel's expense, it sure would be nice if both players brought their "A" game. I think we would all benefit from these guys actively trying to sell us their best stuff.

 

[patrese-x]

If the IPC and clockspeed rumors for Zen 3 turn out to be somewhat true, Intel is in for some big pain in 2021. And if TSMC 5nm rollout goes out as expected for Zen 4, boy, Intel is screwed. It remains to be seen if they'll have enough production volume to capitalize on it, though.

 

[Shmerl]

I'm looking forward not to "big" Navi, but to RDNA 2 for less extreme high end (i.e. something to upgrade RX 5700 XT to for 2560x1440 use case). That will probably come out next year.

 

[RandomTask089]

I built my last computer a few years ago prior to the first Zen launch with a Kaby Lake Intel CPU. At the time, the Zen architecture was still a couple months from release and while the marketing material played it up, I recalled how much of a flop Bulldozer was (and all of it's subsequent updates). I went with the the more safe choice and realize that Zen was as good as they said. Next build will certainly have an AMD as they have shown real improvements, not only in performance, but cost and not making a million different CPU variations.

I hope they keep up the trend with the new process.

 

[Azethoth666]

I am itching to do a new Ryzen PC build. My 2013 Intel build just keeps on ticking though. Dammit.

 

[vvax56nM]

It's like every time Intel announces yet another delay, AMD announces that yes, they are still on schedule. It must feel good to know they are on top of things currently.

 

[cmrcmk]

As much as I applaud AMD and enjoy schadenfreude at Intel's expense, it sure would be nice if both players brought their "A" game. I think we would all benefit from these guys actively trying to sell us their best stuff.

I do hope that comes to be in a year or two but for now I think it's good for AMD to have a few years to catch the breath financially. If they can get their market share in server, desktop, and mobile over 25%, then they'll be in a pretty good position to deal with steady competition.

It's also kinda nice to see an underdog take a victory lap with Ryzen 4000 APUs.

 

[Wedgewood]

If the IPC and clockspeed rumors for Zen 3 turn out to be somewhat true, Intel is in for some big pain in 2021. And if TSMC 5nm rollout goes out as expected for Zen 4, boy, Intel is screwed. It remains to be seen if they'll have enough production volume to capitalize on it, though.

Do you know if Zen4 is still on socket AM4 or are they going to AM5 with support for DDR5.

 

[patrese-x]

If the IPC and clockspeed rumors for Zen 3 turn out to be somewhat true, Intel is in for some big pain in 2021. And if TSMC 5nm rollout goes out as expected for Zen 4, boy, Intel is screwed. It remains to be seen if they'll have enough production volume to capitalize on it, though.

Do you know if Zen4 is still on socket AM4 or are they going to AM5 with support for DDR5.

Zen 3 is the last architecture supported by socket AM4, according to most sources. DDR5 is not confirmed in Zen 4 yet, but expected, given the timeframe.

Edit: typo

 

[daggar]

I am itching to do a new Ryzen PC build. My 2013 Intel build just keeps on ticking though. Dammit.

I was in the same boat until last year with a mildly overclocked Ivy Bridge that wouldn't die. It went through 3 GPU upgrades and, watching the performance logs, the GPU was still the bottleneck when the thing started throwing RAM errors on startup.

Very happy with my 3700X build. I kinda suspect Moore's law will give its last gasp before I need another desktop CPU.

EDIT: hit post too soon.

 

[whiteknave]

If the IPC and clockspeed rumors for Zen 3 turn out to be somewhat true, Intel is in for some big pain in 2021. And if TSMC 5nm rollout goes out as expected for Zen 4, boy, Intel is screwed. It remains to be seen if they'll have enough production volume to capitalize on it, though.

Do you know if Zen4 is still on socket AM4 or are they going to AM5 with support for DDR5.

According to WCCFTech, Zen 4 will be AM5 and DDR5: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5000-zen ... port-2022/

However, since it is WCCFTech, take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Jackattak]

I haven’t posted yet on any of the threads regarding AMD or Intel, largely because I left the CPU/GPU pr0n world a while back since it had gotten boring with Intel and nVidia’s dominance in their fields.

I’d just like to say how happy I am to harken back to the turn of the millennium when there was actual competition.

My current “gaming” rig’s i7-3xxx is getting long in the tooth these days and needs replacing. I’m going to wait on Zen3, but I’m definitely going AMD when I upgrade.

It’s been interesting to watch Intel burn. I dunno what the fuck is going on in Hillsboro but it ain’t good. Perhaps the marijuana legalization has hurt them. /s

 

[breze]

They are aggressively attacking Intel by doing things like "staying on schedule" and "releasing reasonably priced parts." How dare they.

 

[Kjella]

As much as I applaud AMD and enjoy schadenfreude at Intel's expense, it sure would be nice if both players brought their "A" game. I think we would all benefit from these guys actively trying to sell us their best stuff.

The back and forth shuffle is more common than the constant A game. The company with the superior technology becomes complacent, arrogant and set in their ways. They need to fail for a while to realize it doesn't come by itself before they're ready to bring their A game again. And Intel the company isn't really failing either, even if they're fumbling with the process tech. I think they need to bleed some more...

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

They are aggressively attacking Intel by doing things like "staying on schedule" and "releasing reasonably priced parts." How dare they.

They don't even have the decency to artificially segment their chipsets and CPU lineups with arbitrary feature matrices! What nerve!

 

[PrionDX]

The success of the Ryzen 4000 mobile processors makes it look like it won't be easy to get the parts through the retail channel to build a Ryzen 4000 G-series APU desktop anytime soon, since I'm sure every last good die is going to filling those OEM orders.

 

[Timmy O'Toole82]

Always been an AMD fanboi, even when they lied about their bulldozer cores... I'd bought one of the FX processors. I still went with an AMD CPU with my newest build, and I've been extremely happy with the 2600X. Happy to see them on top for once!

After many MANY AMD GPU's, I have switched to NVIDIA. Always seemed like there were driver issues or the AMD GPUs weren't optimized for the games I play. Never had an issue with NVIDIA.

 

[athlon11]

This feels like the second coming of the original Athlon family when the Pentium III was struggling to hit higher frequencies and Intel was having massive yield issues while AMD kept churning out faster and faster CPUs and won the race to 1 GHZ. I remember how excited and impressed I was. Then they continued it with winning the race to 64 bit and the Athlon 64 line was eating Intel's lunch for quite awhile until the Core series came out. Once that happened it was a one horse race until Ryzen, and I am loving it again.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The success of the Ryzen 4000 mobile processors makes it look like it won't be easy to get the parts through the retail channel to build a Ryzen 4000 G-series APU desktop anytime soon, since I'm sure every last good die is going to filling those OEM orders.

Which is good news, even if frustrating for home builders.

OEMs finally accepting AMD in place of just intel is very important for the company's health.

As much as I applaud AMD and enjoy schadenfreude at Intel's expense, it sure would be nice if both players brought their "A" game. I think we would all benefit from these guys actively trying to sell us their best stuff.

I do hope that comes to be in a year or two but for now I think it's good for AMD to have a few years to catch the breath financially. If they can get their market share in server, desktop, and mobile over 25%, then they'll be in a pretty good position to deal with steady competition.

It's also kinda nice to see an underdog take a victory lap with Ryzen 4000 APUs.

Agreed, AMD needs to build market share and make some decent profits before having to cut prices heavily to compete.

If they have time to build up confidence from buyers and OEMs they also won't need to discount their parts as much to get people to choose AMD over intel.

 

[malor]

Su went on to say that the revenue from mobile Ryzen 4000 ramped up "faster than any mobile processor in our history."

My mother bought a cheapie large-brand with a 4500U in it. That is a seriously kickass little laptop. Six strong cores in 15 watts is ridiculously good. I haven't spent a lot of time with it, but I was very impressed with what I did see.

I assume my experience will generalize to the higher-end models as well. It sure looks to me like buying an Intel-based laptop is a very bad decision right now.

(edit: the screen is so-so, but whaddya want for $600? 16 gigs, a 256-gig SSD, a 4500U, and an okay screen for six bones is pretty impressive. Kicks the crap out of any laptop I've ever owned myself.)

 

[NeoMorpheus]

Its really insane how AMD keeps delivering improved CPUs every year, yet these OEM's keep pushing Intel CPUs instead.

At this point, I simply dont doubt that Intel is bribing Dell, there is simply no other explanation as to why Optiplex and Precision business line PC's are exclusive to Intel.

 

[redtomato]

If the IPC and clockspeed rumors for Zen 3 turn out to be somewhat true, Intel is in for some big pain in 2021. And if TSMC 5nm rollout goes out as expected for Zen 4, boy, Intel is screwed. It remains to be seen if they'll have enough production volume to capitalize on it, though.

Do you know if Zen4 is still on socket AM4 or are they going to AM5 with support for DDR5.

According to WCCFTech, Zen 4 will be AM5 and DDR5: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5000-zen ... port-2022/

However, since it is WCCFTech, take this with a grain of salt.

It's also possible that Zen 4 will come with PCIe 5.0. PCIe 4.0 is known to be heading for a short life and I believe some NVMe SSDs are already hitting the 4.0 limits.

(Personally, I'd rather see improved random transfer speeds - that still has a long way to go)

In '25 we could be in the rare situation of having Zen 5 on socket AM5 with PCIe 5.0 and DDR5, with 5GbE ethernet, 5G cellular, and Wifi 5.

 

[breze]

As much as I applaud AMD and enjoy schadenfreude at Intel's expense, it sure would be nice if both players brought their "A" game. I think we would all benefit from these guys actively trying to sell us their best stuff.

The back and forth shuffle is more common than the constant A game. The company with the superior technology becomes complacent, arrogant and set in their ways. They need to fail for a while to realize it doesn't come by itself before they're ready to bring their A game again. And Intel the company isn't really failing either, even if they're fumbling with the process tech. I think they need to bleed some more...

The real risk to Intel as a company that people care about is that their server chips are still doing quite well (at least, last I checked). If they hang on to the boring, profitable segment and give up in the consumer space, they risk going the way of IBM: profitable for ages but not designing the future anymore. Does that matter? Well, it is a good problem to have but it does seem like a loss for that to happen to a company with such a history.

 

[raxx7]

Its really insane how AMD keeps delivering improved CPUs every year, yet these OEM's keep pushing Intel CPUs instead.

At this point, I simply dont doubt that Intel is bribing Dell, there is simply no other explanation as to why Optiplex and Precision business line PC's are exclusive to Intel.

Keep in mind that AFAIK the market is buying every chip AMD and intel can make.
So there is limited availability and it's likely that availability of the cheaper AMD chips isn't enough for DELL.

 

[Azethoth666]

They are aggressively attacking Intel by doing things like "staying on schedule" and "releasing reasonably priced parts." How dare they.

They don't even have the decency to artificially segment their chipsets and CPU lineups with arbitrary feature matrices! What nerve!

This! I am so tired of playing loser Bingo on the feature matrix.

I am willing to stick with AMD all the way don to just 80% performance parity it this point. Lots of lanes and common chipsets just sounds so luxurious. Also smart and easy to scale.

I bet a lot of Intel's issues are trying to matrix new process technology across 10 major segments, 7 minor segments, 11 sub segments, 20 different frills, 15 target markets, randomized presence of security features and finally the whole nuttery that is Xeon vs i9 vs i7 vs i5 vs i3 vs Core vs Atom vs Celeron, god who can keep any of this straight? You can feel the spreadsheets that go with the announcements physically suck the life force out of you.

 

[Wedgewood]

If the IPC and clockspeed rumors for Zen 3 turn out to be somewhat true, Intel is in for some big pain in 2021. And if TSMC 5nm rollout goes out as expected for Zen 4, boy, Intel is screwed. It remains to be seen if they'll have enough production volume to capitalize on it, though.

Do you know if Zen4 is still on socket AM4 or are they going to AM5 with support for DDR5.

According to WCCFTech, Zen 4 will be AM5 and DDR5: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5000-zen ... port-2022/

However, since it is WCCFTech, take this with a grain of salt.

It's also possible that Zen 4 will come with PCIe 5.0. PCIe 4.0 is known to be heading for a short life and I believe some NVMe SSDs are already hitting the 4.0 limits.

(Personally, I'd rather see improved random transfer speeds - that still has a long way to go)

In '25 we could be in the rare situation of having Zen 5 on socket AM5 with PCIe 5.0 and DDR5, with 5GbE ethernet, 5G cellular, and Wifi 5.

I think PCIe 5.0 is mostly for servers. Will be interesting to see if we'll ever see PCIe 5.0 on PC's or if they will go strait to PCIe 6.0.

 

[Alhazred]

I’ve been waiting and saving to finally upgrade to Zen 3 from my old and slow Skylake 6700k. Looks like I won’t have to wait much longer.

Skylake? Your computer is a baby. My main workstation is going strong on its I7-4770S Helps to have 16gig of nice fast RAM (well, fast for 2013...). I share your enthusiasm for the concept of a Zen 3 'Ryzen 7' series CPU though, that would be pretty sweet. Plus it will slide right into my existing setup pretty easy.

 

[whiteknave]

In '25 we could be in the rare situation of having Zen 5 on socket AM5 with PCIe 5.0 and DDR5, with 5GbE ethernet, 5G cellular, and Wifi 5.

If in 2025 you are using Wifi 5, you are wasting everything else that you listed.

 

[vvax56nM]

In '25 we could be in the rare situation of having Zen 5 on socket AM5 with PCIe 5.0 and DDR5, with 5GbE ethernet, 5G cellular, and Wifi 5.

If in 2025 you are using Wifi 5, you are wasting everything else that you listed.

Nah, the Wifi Alliance will have done at least two more rebrandings of the wifi standards by then so that what is called Wifi 5 in 2025 will be the cutting edge.

 

[Alhazred]

If the IPC and clockspeed rumors for Zen 3 turn out to be somewhat true, Intel is in for some big pain in 2021. And if TSMC 5nm rollout goes out as expected for Zen 4, boy, Intel is screwed. It remains to be seen if they'll have enough production volume to capitalize on it, though.

Do you know if Zen4 is still on socket AM4 or are they going to AM5 with support for DDR5.

According to WCCFTech, Zen 4 will be AM5 and DDR5: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5000-zen ... port-2022/

However, since it is WCCFTech, take this with a grain of salt.

It's also possible that Zen 4 will come with PCIe 5.0. PCIe 4.0 is known to be heading for a short life and I believe some NVMe SSDs are already hitting the 4.0 limits.

(Personally, I'd rather see improved random transfer speeds - that still has a long way to go)

In '25 we could be in the rare situation of having Zen 5 on socket AM5 with PCIe 5.0 and DDR5, with 5GbE ethernet, 5G cellular, and Wifi 5.

Too late, we already have WiFi 6 in our house

 

[NeoMorpheus]

Its really insane how AMD keeps delivering improved CPUs every year, yet these OEM's keep pushing Intel CPUs instead.

At this point, I simply dont doubt that Intel is bribing Dell, there is simply no other explanation as to why Optiplex and Precision business line PC's are exclusive to Intel.

Keep in mind that AFAIK the market is buying every chip AMD and intel can make.
So there is limited availability and it's likely that availability of the cheaper AMD chips isn't enough for DELL.

I am not so sure about AMD chips. If that was the case, they wouldnt be cutting prices so quickly and so much as they do and they seems to be available at places like Amazon and MicroCenter.

Also, from a business point, AMD would prefer Dell buying x amount for sure than waiting to see how many they can sell at Microcenter.

Same for Dell, I am sure that customers (me included, my stupid company only buys Dells) no matter how much I ask for Ryzen Optiplex or ThreadRipper/Epic Precision workstations, they keep selling us Intel only.

So there is demand and if Dell wasnt getting a bribe, they would prefer to sell some computers, instead of none.

 

[Fatesrider]

I expect that this announcement has a whole lot more "twisting the knife in Intel's guts" to it than any surprise or unexpected information.

Given the way Intel pissed all over AMD's parade back in the day, I'm good with that. That AMD is delivering as promised speaks volumes to how far it's come, and how far Intel has fallen.

 

[Alhazred]

Its really insane how AMD keeps delivering improved CPUs every year, yet these OEM's keep pushing Intel CPUs instead.

At this point, I simply dont doubt that Intel is bribing Dell, there is simply no other explanation as to why Optiplex and Precision business line PC's are exclusive to Intel.

Keep in mind that AFAIK the market is buying every chip AMD and intel can make.
So there is limited availability and it's likely that availability of the cheaper AMD chips isn't enough for DELL.

For a major Fortune 100 with serious tech and defense needs? Switching CPU architectures is a multi-year proposition. These type companies are NOT going to buy an AMD part, except maybe for some upscale "level 1 and 2 managers only" type machines that get custom support (C-team, their staff, and direct reports basically, who all get the fanciest stuff and it never says Dell on it).

Nope, AMD will penetrate the server market thoroughly before it gets all the laptops at those big firms.

 

[DOOManiac]

Dear AM

I'm glad you turned things around with your CPU line, and I wish you success. Please spend time upping your GPU game now to blow NVidia out of the water like you did with Intel...

 

[vlam]

Dear AM

I'm glad you turned things around with your CPU line, and I wish you success. Please spend time upping your GPU game now to blow NVidia out of the water like you did with Intel...

Maybe with the benefit of getting those asinine prices down.

 

[XRZ.AR]

Hopefully AMD finally can spend reasonable capex on GPU R&D.

 

[Amon-Ra]

In '25 we could be in the rare situation of having Zen 5 on socket AM5 with PCIe 5.0 and DDR5, with 5GbE ethernet, 5G cellular, and Wifi 5.

The conjunction of the 5 spheres! Make haste and summon Geralt.

 

[visionviper]

I was hoping for an announcement about their new Zen 2 based APUs for consumer sale. I'm ready to pull the trigger on a new little homelab PC but I need the new APUs to come out! I definitely don't want some prebuilt.