AI-created “virtual influencers” are stealing business from humans

SuaveCriminal

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"All the means of production" are not being gatekept. Big corporations have an advantage like they do in every other resource. They have an advantage for producing physical goods, too, since they can build or buy a whole factory while you toil in your garage.

But there is a tremendous amount that can be done, and is being done, at home for free on fairly modest equipment. The barrier to entry is actually extremely low, and one need not ever pay a corporation a dime for the use of the software.
Tell me what you consider modest equipment, and show me a virtual avatar software that could run on that hardware.
The average person in the content mills doesn't make a lot of money, as detailed in this short npr piece, so there may be a disconnect here in terms of economics.

So far, at home, best I can do is aprx 20 sec of 24fps video with no sound, on a system who's video card alone cost more than the rest of my pc. It's not to say that local ml software won't improve with time, but I don't see it replacing the big foundation models right now.
 
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moromi_ken

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For some type of influencers I really hope they take over the market, like Japanese idols, it's just disgusting all around, there's nothing on it that seems healthy, and they impose their insanely absurd "morals" on girls just to keep that aura of virginity, an virtual idol group would be enough for this BS
 
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Sure cause you know Gov housing projects always turn out so well.... :)
They may not always be ideal, but I should point out that private housing projects have not turned out so well recently either.

Basic and free government housing is something we could do, and I think it would both solve a lot of problems and make the private market less problematically speculative.

Ideally, it would end up being somewhere you would not mind living, and we could work on efficiency with a bit more planning.
 
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I've done just enough work with "influencers" on the buy side to know that they might as well be LLMs for the level of human insight they provide. Even those who supposedly do thoughtful reviews typically spend about 3 seconds understanding the product before talking about it at length.

I wager this is one of the few places where the LLM may actually make shit up less often than the human, just because the human is putting zero effort into actually being a human that cares about things like reputation, rather than just being a face that garners clicks.

I do not understand why people allow themselves to be influenced by influencers with no evidence of their credibility.
 
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alansh42

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That depends upon where "all of this" goes.

Having like eight guys trading everything around while everyone else is expected to go die quietly or serve is a traditional historical precursor to everyone getting free stuff, so there is that.
I saw a documentary about this.

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The real headline is you have virtual patrons following virtual onlyfans accounts. Just cut out the human all together
Virtual users only generate money through fake ad impressions, so at most they would be useful to goose the rankings on porn sites. Vtuber technology has been used on cam sites for years. The cost of AI technology has to fall by a lot until it becomes cheaper than just hiring someone to do the posing and then superimposing a CGI paper doll on top.
 
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I meant to be clear above-- I do need to worry. Not everything I do-- but some of my work could be done by an LLM. Which means fewer of my profession. Fewer of every single profession.

(besides, say teachers)


I think I might just have a different idea of how economics works. It's probably hard to explain here.

In short, I think making things cheaper is important.
It means less money spent on wages and more goes to profit. In the short term anyway. But when the global economy collapses because it relies on most people having jobs but you've just put most people out of work, it's going to be a giant mess. If there's fewer people to buy those products you can make so cheaply without human labor, or with a fraction, it's going to be tough to sell them.
 
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AI is actually good at knowing a lot of things and never ever forgetting them. You know the stuff people go to university and college for. Things that require lots of memorization, and little real on the fly thinking.

That's not what college is for. A degree is not a technical certification. College doesn't teach you facts, hell one reason there's a concept of "classics" and "canon" is to have a bunch of older stuff to criticize and explain why it's wrong.

No, college is about teaching you how to find, weigh, and analyze those facts. It also teaches about reading and writing, and while that last part might seem ripe for AI replacement, I think not. As anyone will tell you, the research and proofreading takes much more time than actually sitting down and writing something.

Most of the best written work is usually a half-assed draft followed by a few hours of frenzied editing and writing at the last minute.

Also, for most college degree jobs, part of what you are paid for is taking responsibility for what you have written. That can be a BFD, attorneys may demand the use of humans for work products specifically to reduce the liability risks to companies.
 
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I don't know what troubles me more about this post.

The fact that you think vapid social media influencers represent "cultural creators", or the fact that you think vapid social media influencers is a more important role for society than accountants, doctors, lawyers or programmers.
Didn’t we already have this exact conversation back when Hollywood writers were striking. What is it that makes it okay for coal miners and advertisers to lose their jobs, but not script writers and actors?

In the same vein, if AI can be used to replace one profession, what’s to stop me (or anyone else) from advocating that it too replace some other profession? What makes it acceptable for say, influencers to see their jobs being outsourced to Ai, but not writers? Especially those who are putting out terrible content that many joke could be done better than AI?

Apparently, the very people here who wouldn’t bat an eye at influencers being made redundant tomorrow are also the ones championing for Hollywood writers to be paid a fair wage, rather than see their job scope being taken over by chatGPT. Which raises the question - who decides which jobs are acceptable to be replaced by AI, and which aren’t? What is it about the latter that makes it such a “sacred” profession that ought to be protected at all costs? And more importantly, why should I care so long as it’s not my profession?

If you ask me, it’s all the same problem. AI is being used to further concentrate power and profits in the hands of a few powerful entities. The ones here gloating, all I can say is, don’t complain when AI does finally come for the jobs that you do care about. You all saw the problem coming a mile away, but chose to ignore it in favour of a few cheap jabs.
 
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More perfect people by whom to be manipulated into acting against our own best interests. More things we don't need but will be made to want. More fantasies compared to which we are ugly, stupid, and fat. More blind consumption. More waste. More hate. More death.

Late 20th century fears of nuclear Armageddon now seem not only quaint, but kind. For a long time before life becomes unlivable, it will be simply unendurable. Please, the bomb. No one deserves to suffer like this.
 
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Most real influencers have as much actual personality as the AI generated influencer so whatever. The whole influencer thing is idiotic...
Of course it's idiotic. Inasmuch as it contributes to species suicide, advertising is idiotic. It's also churns $150 billion per year in the U.S. alone — because it works. You know it's vile, but how much time per week do you spend on YouTube, TikTok, and all the rest? It doesn't matter if we hate it, so long as we consume it.
 
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“Even though we made it clear she was an AI-generated model . . . initially, most of her followers didn’t question her authenticity, they genuinely believed in her existence,” said Núñez, who added that Aitana has received multiple requests to meet followers in person.

Reinforces my estimate of the human race.

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I can't imagine following any influencer, let alone an artificial creation; if it was Paimon, though...
 
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abazigal

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Coal miners and the ad industry act against the public good for their own profit. Unemployment is the least they deserve.
That’s my point. Reading 6 pages of comments, the whole attitude here just smacks of elitism. By your analogy, it’s not okay for people to work as influencers because of the harm they supposedly cause, so it’s okay for them to be replaced by AI doing the exact same thing. You haven’t solved anything.

I too can argue. I follow vtubers on twitch whom I find to be far more entertaining than say, the people responsible for creating “she-hulk”. So in terms of supporting whom I find to be more entertaining, Hollywood writers currently rank near the bottom of my list but apparently, they represent some protected class here whose jobs must be preserved at all costs, even if nobody values their output.

Hypocrisy and double standards much? With any paradigm shift in technology, there are always winners and losers. What makes you all so sure that you will continue to come out on top?
 
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Its just about cost…
if I can get a virtual influencer to do it for $1000 when a real influencer charges $20,000 to take a picture with a freaking bag… yeah… boohoo you’re losing your golden cow.
You are technically correct but don't have to be a jackass about it.

How would you like someone to say "boohoo you're losing your golden cow" to YOU when AI replaces YOUR job???
 
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In a few years, you'll be presented with an ad for a romantic comedy starring Marilyn Monroe, Joseph Stalin, and you. You'll be able to choose whether you want to watch a perfected, wittier, nicely muscled version of yourself have sex with Marilyn, Joe, or both. (Look up a photo of young Joe before you make up your mind. Hot and dreamy.)

You'll enjoy this film more than anything you've ever experienced in real life. It'll be more real than real life. You'll watch it a few times and come to regard AI you as the only you that matters. You'll need the clothes he wears and the car he drives. Your favorite food, music, and shoes will be whatever he chooses. You'll make the same jokes he makes, think the same thoughts, and vote the same votes. After all, he's the person you've always secretly known yourself to be. He, not you, is the real you.

Am I wrong?
 
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Most real influencers have as much actual personality as the AI generated influencer so whatever. The whole influencer thing is idiotic...
It's a JOB. It's ADVERTISING. It's a MASSIVE part of capitalism. It moves TRILLIONS of dollars. Is advertising idiotic? Yes it is. It creates demand for things people don't need. But people use it anyway. It's everywhere. You want to try to get advertising banned, go ahead. But don't pick on one particular aspect of advertising because you're jealous that ordinary people get to participate.
 
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You are technically correct but don't have to be a jackass about it.
From the product's perspective, isn't being a jackass 90% of the appeal of social media? Isn't that why we're all here? Isn't that why forums are anonymous? So that we can exercise our worst tendencies and never be held accountable for the pain we cause?
 
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From the product's perspective, isn't being a jackass 90% of the appeal of social media? Isn't that why we're all here? Isn't that why forums are anonymous? So that we can exercise our worst tendencies and never be held accountable for the pain we cause?
Thanks for proving my point.
 
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