I made enough off options at one company to pay off my student loans six months early. That did improve my debt/income enough to buy a house, but some of my savvier co-workers made several millions of their option packages. Lesson learned. If you'd like my 20,000 shares in the startup I then went to, or 75,000 in the company I co-founded I'll give them to you for free.I've only had share options once. I made about a third of a month's salary when they got exercised. If I'd instead joined a sister company that got taken over by Autodesk I would have expected one and a half times my annual salary. Very much a lottery.
Sounds like it was. This is exactly why the BO guys taking cash back in the day was actually the smarter play so long as you could invest it diversely. The only one I pity in this story is the guy bragging about how much he was abused by Elon just to get some paper he was lucky enough to flip at the right time but could have easily been worth nothing, and only for thinking that him getting lucky is normal or how things should beI got stock options from a software company where I worked in the 1990s. The stock price only jumped above the option selling price for one trading day, and the company executives all took a payout. The rest of us had no idea what was happening until after the fact, and got stuck with the worthless options until they eventually expired. I don't know if this is considered insider trading, or if these executives had legally set up advance sell orders should the stock ever jump above a certain price?
Yeah, they had orders in place. I was by no means an executive, but the day before my small number of stock options in a '90s startup became tradable (not an IPO because they were being converted to shares in a special class of stocks in the company that bought us) I set up a hold limit order for what I thought was a pretty high value. Then that morning I watched the stock price rise rapidly towards that price and I almost freaked out and changed my hold limit because I was afraid I was going to sell too low.I got stock options from a software company where I worked in the 1990s. The stock price only jumped above the option selling price for one trading day, and the company executives all took a payout. The rest of us had no idea what was happening until after the fact, and got stuck with the worthless options until they eventually expired. I don't know if this is considered insider trading, or if these executives had legally set up advance sell orders should the stock ever jump above a certain price?
100% disagree. The whole ISO system is supposed to allow employees to get rewarded for building a working company, instead of just chasing the places with the biggest backers and highest wages. And we can see that with spaceX and BO! Yes, there's a risk. We're allowed to take risks and reap rewards. That IS normal. Damn near everything rewarding in life, from sports to relationships to vocations, requires risks.Sounds like it was. This is exactly why the BO guys taking cash back in the day was actually the smarter play so long as you could invest it diversely. The only one I pity in this story is the guy bragging about how much he was abused by Elon just to get some paper he was lucky enough to flip at the right time but could have easily been worth nothing, and only for thinking that him getting lucky is normal or how things should be
To add something to the above - SpaceX shares have changed hands at $447 a share, recently.I just want to point out that 10,000 shares at $10 - even if you got the shares for free, which you don't - is only $100k. Yes, that's nice money... but you can also get that from a $10k raise over 10 years of working. It's not really life changing, and especially over these timescales.
It really sucks that the options have been allowed to expire just because the company hasn't gotten to a liquidity event. Just extend them. It's what's right for the people, and probably will never cost anything.
I’d disagreeAgreed. And it’s a sign of how much this article reeks - yet another Musk fanboy effort? - that it’s now acquired an Editor’s Note, something I don’t recall ever seeing on another Ars article in recent past
Work for Elon: get treated like garbage but could get rich.
Work for Bezos: get treated decently. Won't get rich.
Edit: mistyped Bezos. Yeah, I know...
Selection bias on success seems to do a lot of the lifting here; how many other space companies made people rich with stock?especially as Blue Origin employees saw peers at other space companies cash in options for meaningful rewards
"What if we kept talent by giving them raises and bonuses?"100% disagree. The whole ISO system is supposed to allow employees to get rewarded for building a working company, instead of just chasing the places with the biggest backers and highest wages. And we can see that with spaceX and BO! Yes, there's a risk. We're allowed to take risks and reap rewards. That IS normal. Damn near everything rewarding in life, from sports to relationships to vocations, requires risks.
Better to be lucky than goodI’ve always known I was in the wrong job for making money — but I’ve never been so confused as I am now about what the right job is.
Starting a business is gambling. There’s a reason that in venture capital, the sensible first questions revolve around the founders previous failures."What if we kept talent by giving them raises and bonuses?"
"Nah, keep their wages low and replace it with gambling."
Those options are worth significantly more than $10 though, and are definitely going to grow in value faster than a machinist's pay will increase.I just want to point out that 10,000 shares at $10 - even if you got the shares for free, which you don't - is only $100k. Yes, that's nice money... but you can also get that from a $10k raise over 10 years of working. It's not really life changing, and especially over these timescales.
It really sucks that the options have been allowed to expire just because the company hasn't gotten to a liquidity event. Just extend them. It's what's right for the people, and probably will never cost anything.
I am with you (and to one of the replies who suggested you read Reentry, I am one of the people mentioned in it). I chose to leave the company but I know many who stayed and who got a lot more stock along the way. Now all of them are feeling weird because a) they were working for someone who spent the last few years publicly destroying his image vs. just doing it in private and b) they are about to hold stock in a company that has been generating CSAM (SpaceX will own Grok, for those that don’t understand the reference). Many people made the choice to leave years ago, regardless of what it meant for money.That's my point! These sociopathic CEOs don't care, they offer the promise that something might one day be valuable in exchange for abusing and exploiting workers who sometimes seem all to eager to take a beating building a monument to the egos of these jackass sociopaths, and that's mostly to the lie we've been sold about compensation being a valid excuse for such abuses as though we're back in the days of serfdom where peasants have no rights and should expect abuse from their lords and thank them for it
My impression as an outsider is that Blue Origin employees no longer get treated decently. Over the last few years the company has evolved to become more like SpaceX in terms of work/life balance, expecting employees to give their all and work long hours to further the goals of getting New Glenn operational, getting to the Moon, and finally bringing about Bezos' dream of a million people living and working in low Earth orbit and on the Lunar surface. But these higher expectations have not been matched by the appropriate culture and remuneration.Work for Elon: get treated like garbage but could get rich.
Work for Bezos: get treated decently. Won't get rich.
Edit: mistyped Bezos. Yeah, I know...
Things are not so black and white. I’m also happier to have Musk and Bezos actually being the ones keeping the USA ahead in the space race relative to China (a nation with concentration camps), given our abysmal traditional bloated government contractor realities, than whatever the latest tabloid-equivalent hit piece coverage tries to do.
A friend who interviewed there encountered a couple employees in the parking lot who told him he'd be better off not getting the job. That's a level of disgruntlement that I'd go to pains to avoid if I owned a rocket-building company. Or any company. He didn't get the job.I think if you'd read what BO employees are saying about the company you'd be not so sure about the "get treated decently" part...
Interesting. I haven't thought about it in years, but my one experience with stock options that actually became stock was that I didn't exercise the options until I sold them and the brokerage handling the issuing of the stock deducted the cost of exercising them from the proceeds so it cost me nothing out of pocket. It seems a pretty sensible way to set things up if your goal is to actually make it easy for your employees to exercise those options and not just use them as a hiring incentive.The point is, I knew people carrying yearly tax bills in the neighborhood of their salaries over their stock, then selling stock to pay those bills or putting it on credit cards. It worked out for some of them, but for many others stock options are for those with privilege. I bought mine based on what I could afford with my starting engineers salary, and did fine, but it’s not the same as the people who could go to their parents and buy all of theirs then service the taxes.
What is lucky about Starlink? That was literally the entire plan. They had to drive the launch market forward themselves to justify their rate of scalingIn hindsight, building Starlink was both brilliant and incredibly lucky. It provides both demand for launch at scale and a recurring revenue stream that none of SpaceX's competitors can match. And drives up the IPO value. I don't know that the brilliant/lucky balance can be factored, even in retrospect, but it was a bold bet that paid off.
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Two things:Agreed. And it’s a sign of how much this article reeks - yet another Musk fanboy effort? - that it’s now acquired an Editor’s Note, something I don’t recall ever seeing on another Ars article in recent past
“Until SpaceX publishes its prospectus for the offering, we won’t have a detailed look at its financials. We do, however, have important snippets of information. Musk has stated that SpaceX generated some $15 billion in revenue last year, and it’s been widely reported that it booked roughly $8 billion in Ebitda. The scenario circulating widely in the media, and not refuted by Musk, shows a loss of $2.4 billion for the first nine months of 2025.
These numbers don’t include interest and depreciation, the latter comprising SpaceX’s outlays for plants and equipment. Knitting together this limited view of the now-united businesses, it appears likely that the current SpaceX is showing zero or even negative GAAP earnings.”
https://fortune.com/2026/03/08/is-space-x-profitable-ipo-stock-date-earnings-outlook/
I was an MCI Worldcom employee. When that went under, fortunately the retirement got transferred to Verizon, so I didn't lose anything. That was 2003. I am due to retire in 2029.If someone wants company stock there are ESP programs that can be used. It would prevent having one's entire retirement disappear like it did for those Enron employees.
None of these billionaires give a single solitary overripe fig about the peons who work for them.Work for Elon: get treated like garbage but could get rich.
Work for Bezos: get treated decently. Won't get rich.
Edit: mistyped Bezos. Yeah, I know...
Yeah SpaceX being saddled with xAI the child porn generating negative value cash burning monsters took an insanely profitable company and brought it to break even at best. xAI had a $8B loss last year. SpaceX bought it for $250M in equity and indirect assumed $17.5B in debt. Now xAI has just paid off its debt in full (likely necessary for SpaceX IPO valuations). xAI didn't have $17.5B prior to the merger so this is likely SpaceX capital going to pay off the debt. xAI declined to comment on where the $17.5B came from but there is only one place it could have come from.
So it is now debt free but SpaceX is $17.5B lighter in cash and xAI is still burning $10B a year. 2026 might be the first year SpaceX reports a loss since early 2000s. Twenty years of the company being consistently profitable wiped out so Elon Musk can hide how stupid his "investment" in twitter was.
Instead of combining the two companies into one and fully integrating operations, Musk decided to retain xAI, which runs social media platform X and created the Grok chatbot, as a wholly owned subsidiary of SpaceX, said the people, who asked not to be named because the details of the deal have not been publicly released.
The approach, known in corporate M&A as a triangular merger, is a commonly used structure in public-company transactions designed to be tax-efficient and limit legal exposure, M&A attorneys say.
As a subsidiary, xAI's debt, legal liabilities and contracts remain separate from the corporate parent, allowing xAI to run its operations independently while helping to insulate SpaceX from any investigations and litigation X may face.
Well, not really it seems:
https://www.reuters.com/business/fi...gal-benefits-xai-spacex-investors-2026-02-06/
Finally, someone who gets the point I was making"What if we kept talent by giving them raises and bonuses?"
"Nah, keep their wages low and replace it with gambling."
He would have done much more for his legacy, the nation, and humanity generally if he'd kept the lights on at The Washington Post. It would have cost a few percent of what he has poured/is pouring into BO.Bezos is still investing at least a few billion dollars annually to keep the lights on [at Blue Origin].